Are there any radical reformers out there?

[Nebuchadnezzer]

the organized religion founded by Jesus Christ himself can never be called False

but the members therein... different story

Anne Catherine Emmerich, a canonized saint, talks about how she had a vision of the Catholic Church being infiltrated (my word) and people trying to make a "new church" from it..

I could have written that myself... seen a lot of bizarre stuff...

Lamentations 2:14
Your prophets have seen for you
False and foolish visions;
And they have not exposed your iniquity
So as to restore you from captivity,
But they have seen for you false and misleading oracles.

1 John 4:1-2
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;


[When Catherine Emmerich communicated later her visions of the time of John the Baptist, she saw the same vision of Elijah with reference to the state of the country and of mankind which prevailed in St. John's time. We therefore reproduce from this what follows as explanatory of what she has said above.]

I saw all Elijah' dealings with Ahab, the sacrifice on Mount Carmel, the slaughter of the priests of Baal, Elijah' prayer for rain and the gathering of the clouds. I saw as well as the dryness of the earth, a great dryness and failing of good fruit amongst men. I saw that by his prayer Elijah called forth the blessing of which the cloud was the form, and that he guided and distributed its showers in accordance with inner visions; otherwise it might perhaps have become a destroying deluge. He asked his servant seven times for news of the cloud; this signifies the seven generations or ages of the world which must go by before the real blessing (of which this cloud of blessing was but a symbol) took root in Israel. Elijah himself saw in the ascending cloud an image of the Blessed Virgin, and discerned several mysteries relating to her birth and descent.

I saw that Elijah' prayer called down the blessing at first in the form of dew. I was given clearly to understand that, without this dew, the coming of the Blessed Virgin would have been delayed by more than a hundred years;
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/anne/lom14.shtml

 

[JesusWhereRU]

Lamentations 2:14
Your prophets have seen for you
False and foolish visions;
And they have not exposed your iniquity
So as to restore you from captivity,
But they have seen for you false and misleading oracles.

1 John 4:1-2
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;


[When Catherine Emmerich communicated later her visions of the time of John the Baptist, she saw the same vision of Elijah with reference to the state of the country and of mankind which prevailed in St. John's time. We therefore reproduce from this what follows as explanatory of what she has said above.]

I saw all Elijah' dealings with Ahab, the sacrifice on Mount Carmel, the slaughter of the priests of Baal, Elijah' prayer for rain and the gathering of the clouds. I saw as well as the dryness of the earth, a great dryness and failing of good fruit amongst men. I saw that by his prayer Elijah called forth the blessing of which the cloud was the form, and that he guided and distributed its showers in accordance with inner visions; otherwise it might perhaps have become a destroying deluge. He asked his servant seven times for news of the cloud; this signifies the seven generations or ages of the world which must go by before the real blessing (of which this cloud of blessing was but a symbol) took root in Israel. Elijah himself saw in the ascending cloud an image of the Blessed Virgin, and discerned several mysteries relating to her birth and descent.

I saw that Elijah' prayer called down the blessing at first in the form of dew. I was given clearly to understand that, without this dew, the coming of the Blessed Virgin would have been delayed by more than a hundred years;
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/anne/lom14.shtml

i haven't gotten to such a part of the book, assuming we are s peaking of the same book?

Catholics are not required to believe every utterance a saint makes... although I am not sure saying that is... addressing your point bc I don't know your point...

 

[mustaphadrink]

I have not been to all of the organized churches, so I can't claim I've found them all to be false.
But really such blanket statements don't reflect reality. It tends to have more to do with the mindset of the speaker than any verifiable claims.
Not to mention the ego involved to believe that the one speaking is so far above, spiritually and intellectually, all the thousands or millions involved in organized churches that they alone can see clearer than all those others.
It often amazes me that a religion that teaches humility and humbleness is so full of people eager to elevate themselves above everyone else by making grandiose accusations against so many others they've never even met.

But really such blanket statements don't reflect reality. It tends to have more to do with the mindset of the speaker than any verifiable claims.

It often amazes me that a religion that teaches humility and humbleness is so full of people eager to elevate themselves above everyone else by making grandiose accusations against so many others they've never even met.

I would say that your second statement proves your first statement.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The radical reformers broke from the rest of the Church because they were persecuted to the point of death.
They broke because they had to in order to practice and believe and exercise their beliefs.

Today, in America, we are not persecuted, or persecuted only in a mild way. So we can remain in the Church while we still practice and believe and exercise our beliefs.

Even a church with a lot of error can still be successful in proclaiming the Gospel and bringing people to Christ. Although I would say that the more error that is in a church the more distorted the Word becomes and thus the more grieved the Holy Spirit also becomes, and therefore the more difficult it might get for people to come into the Truth.

So we don't compromise on our beliefs whether secondary or even tertiary, so that we don't grieve the Holy Spirit.
But we also bare with one another and forgive one another and love one another, so that we don't grieve the Holy Spirit.
And so where is that balance. It is impossible for us to know where this balance is.



And so we ourselves should not and cannot decide correctly if or when we are to break or remain with a church. It only is the Holy Spirit that can decide correctly on this.