The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[OrphanedRepublican]

If Christ gave His life for Job (and Christ did that) then Job's life was preserved through the sacrificial system, a shadow of Christ. In Matthew we are told that worked to preserve the life of the saints. When the curtain of the temple split, when Christ became alive in the spirit and dead in the flesh, we are told they walked the streets of Jerusalem.

It says many of the saints. (Matthew 27:52-53) Curious it doesn't say all. I'm puzzled by this. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the harvest gathering or latter harvest ingathering ...

This is curious to me. Because apparently King David's body was not one that arose. (Acts 2:34)

Also, in Daniel 12:2 it says:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I wonder why he doesn't say all? Does that mean there are some bodies that will not be awakened?

 

[Nehemiah6]

It says many of the saints. (Matthew 27:52-53) Curious it doesn't say all.

This was not the general resurrection of the saints. That will be in the future. Nothing more is mentioned about the few that were resurrected at that time, so it would be unwise to speculate.

 

[brightfame52]

do you agree the Lord Jesus Christ gave His life for Job?

Job lived long before Day of Pentecost, the day the church of the body of the Lord Jesus Christ was established ... the church of which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head:

Ephesians 4:

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

...

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ


Job lived long before the Lord Jesus Christ ascended up on high ...

and please note the warning in Eph 4:14 that we need to grow up so that we are not tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive ... just sayin'

Christ have His life specifically for His Church. Job was part of the Church or Christ didn't give His life for him

 

[Evmur]

Rom 5:11

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

no such thing as limited atonement

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Job was part of the Church

nope.

Matthew 16:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


In vs 18, Jesus told Peter I will build my church. The words "I will build" are translated from the Greek word oikodomeō. In the text, the word oikodomeō is in the future tense. The use of the future tense indicates the contemplated or certain occurrence of an event which has not yet occurred.

or Christ didn't give His life for him

you are wrong on both counts.

Job was not a part of the church which the Lord Jesus Christ indicated in Matt 16:18 He would build (oikodomeō - future tense).

The Lord Jesus Christ did, in fact, give His life for Job.

 

[brightfame52]

no such thing as limited atonement

Im afraid you wrong on that, dead wrong !

 

[brightfame52]

nope.

Matthew 16:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


In vs 18, Jesus told Peter I will build my church. The words "I will build" are translated from the Greek word oikodomeō. In the text, the word oikodomeō is in the future tense. The use of the future tense indicates the contemplated or certain occurrence of an event which has not yet occurred.





you are wrong on both counts.

Job was not a part of the church which the Lord Jesus Christ indicated in Matt 16:18 He would build (oikodomeō - future tense).

The Lord Jesus Christ did, in fact, give His life for Job.

Yes Job was part of the Church. So was Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !

 

[Evmur]

Im afraid you wrong on that, dead wrong !

The Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world .... all that is required is for people to come to God and receive LIFE.

The Holy Spirit is poured out upon ALL flesh ... He would have to instantly kill all sinners if their sins had not been put away.

 

[brightfame52]

More on the Accomplishments !

Jesus blood shed was in order to sanctify the people, those people he shed His blood for Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Those Jesus Christ died for, it ensures them, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

He prays for this very blessing right here Jn 17:19,20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. [ see Heb 13:12]

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

This applies to all future believers, for Jesus says which shall believe !

Thats a promise that they shall believe, because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in them.

All this by the blood of Christ, what He accomplished !9

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes Job was part of the Church. So was Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !

Nope ... not true. You completely ignore the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, I implore you to read your Bible ...

Matthew 16:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build (Greek word oikodomeō) my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


In vs 18, Jesus told Peter I will build my church. The words "I will build" are translated from the Greek word oikodomeō. In the text, the word oikodomeō is in the future tense. The use of the future tense indicates the contemplated or certain occurrence of an event which has not yet occurred.


Also check out Hebrews 11:32-40:

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us ...



Also check out Hebrews 10:19-20

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us ...


Born again believers ... those who come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ after Day of Pentecost (when the church was established) ... come to the Father by a new and living way. This new and living way was not available to believers who lived prior to Day of Pentecost.

Job, "Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !" obtained a good report through faith. However, the some better thing was never realized by them. The some better thing is realized by the church ... the church which was established on Day of Pentecost ...


Please read your Bible with discernment and quit denying what is plainly laid out in Scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

It ensures belief of the Truth

The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification fo those who He died Jn 17:17,19

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctiying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:4

4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.

This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Redemption from all iniquity !

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify [cleanse see Eph 5:26] unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Atonement of Christ has been successful, and has accomplished that what God intended.

It was for redemption from all iniquity [ to include unbelief] and purification from all sin and unrighteousness. For that was the Divine Purpose for which Christ gave Himself for His People [ church], in order that they should be Holy and blameless before God in Love, unto which cause God chose and predestinated them, that they should be conformed to the Holy Image of His Son, hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering, and make a full and perfect Atonement.12

 

[brightfame52]

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The healing [ Spiritually] is the sure effect and benefit of His stripes [ or atonement], and His death in His own body on the Tree for sins of His church, His elect, His sheep, without fail secures and ensures their death to sin, and their being made alive to righteousness, even the righteousness of Faith.

Many today really do not understand the power of Christ death and it's accomplishments.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering

multiple negation ... makes no sense ...

 

[brightfame52]

multiple negation ... makes no sense ...

Post 52, you dont believe it right ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Post 52, you dont believe it right ?

I believe Scripture.

What is submitted in Post #52 is a mishmash of random verses from Scripture, coupled with run-on sentence structure, and ending in multiple negation. yeesh ...

 

[Blik]

It says many of the saints. (Matthew 27:52-53) Curious it doesn't say all. I'm puzzled by this. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the harvest gathering or latter harvest ingathering ...

This is curious to me. Because apparently King David's body was not one that arose. (Acts 2:34)

Also, in Daniel 12:2 it says:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I wonder why he doesn't say all? Does that mean there are some bodies that will not be awakened?

Scripture does not personally name every saint who lived from creation until Christ was crucified, scripture only tells us "the saints". This includes every human who lived during that time and asked to be forgiven through faith in their God.
and through the giving of blood on the altar that was the shadow of Christ. Daniel is only repeating scripture that tells us that unforgiven sin kills.

All scripture is of God, all scripture agrees with all other scripture.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Scripture does not personally name every saint who lived from creation until Christ was crucified, scripture only tells us "the saints". This includes every human who lived during that time and asked to be forgiven through faith in their God.
and through the giving of blood on the altar that was the shadow of Christ. Daniel is only repeating scripture that tells us that unforgiven sin kills.

All scripture is of God, all scripture agrees with all other scripture.

Peter tells us that David had not ascended to heaven yet. So, he wasn't among the saints that rose up at that time. Acts 2:34.

 

[brightfame52]

Purpose and accomplishment of Christ death

2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Paul here in this context gives us another purpose and accomplishment of Christ death for sinners.

He died for all [ the called or chosen or church] that [in order that] they which live [ spiritually] should henceforth [ no longer, no more] live unto themselves, but [ nevertheless , rather] unto Him which died for them, and rose again.

So the very death of Christ, produces in them He died for, a life of self sacrifice, and living unto Him, the crucified life.

This is why Paul boasted in the power of the cross in his own life writing Gal 6:14

14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

The cross effects each life of those Christ died for to one degree or another, but it produces results, it bears fruit. Jn 12:2414

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

 

[brightfame52]

I believe Scripture.

What is submitted in Post #52 is a mishmash of random verses from Scripture, coupled with run-on sentence structure, and ending in multiple negation. yeesh ...

I used scripture in post 52, did you see it ? Please tell me what it is !