About the great flood

[pottersclay]

The earth back in the days of noah was surrounded by water in the upper atmosphere.
Much like a terrarium. Much like a mother's womb.
That is why we see longevity of life. It protected from the sun's harmful u.v. rays.
Not only did this canopy collapse but waters from the ground were released also.
Pointing to a global flood.
The possibility of 1 solid land mass as compared to the Continental divide seems appropriate.
This may have caused the Continental divide.
There are many scars left on this earth as a direct effect of a global flood.
Vegetation found only in tropic areas have been found in the north and south poles.
Fossils found all over the world can only be fossilized by a sudden covering of mud and sediments which prohibits air to start the decaying process.
Pools of oil deposits, Fresh and salt water bodies also testify to this event.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can we say that 1 Peter 3:20 only eight people were saved by Noah's Ark,and others were saved by
Mercy of God

Noah was saved by Gods mercy there were no other survivors. The flood covered the highest Mountain by 15 cubits that means there was no dry land

 

[soberxp]

Noah was saved by Gods mercy there were no other survivors. The flood covered the highest Mountain by 15 cubits that means there was no dry land

But the Bible says Noah is a man of righteous,so Noah does not need Mercy of God.(only the sick needs a doctor)
In Enoch's book, the women who were combined with angels became sea monsters that can live in great flood
The angels were also temporarily locked up
Why can't God's mercy come to other people who have been corrupted by them
We always say God never change.
It's just my opinion. You can express your opinion

 

[MoonCresta]

The earth back in the days of noah was surrounded by water in the upper atmosphere.
Much like a terrarium. Much like a mother's womb.
That is why we see longevity of life. It protected from the sun's harmful u.v. rays.
Not only did this canopy collapse but waters from the ground were released also.
Pointing to a global flood.
The possibility of 1 solid land mass as compared to the Continental divide seems appropriate.
This may have caused the Continental divide.
There are many scars left on this earth as a direct effect of a global flood.
Vegetation found only in tropic areas have been found in the north and south poles.
Fossils found all over the world can only be fossilized by a sudden covering of mud and sediments which prohibits air to start the decaying process.
Pools of oil deposits, Fresh and salt water bodies also testify to this event.

That makes sense to me. Thanks!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But the Bible says Noah is a man of righteous,so Noah does not need Mercy of God.(only the sick needs a doctor)
In Enoch's book, the women who were combined with angels became sea monsters that can live in great flood
The angels were also temporarily locked up
Why can't God's mercy come to other people who have been corrupted by them
We always say God never change.
It's just my opinion. You can express your opinion

there s no righteous no not one. That includes noah, he was saved by faith.

enochs book is not scripture,

 

[TheLearner]

God can do anything, and yes there are some record about the flood in many part of the world including among Native American.

Floods Happen everywhere that is why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1913

 

[TheLearner]

The earth back in the days of noah was surrounded by water in the upper atmosphere.
Much like a terrarium. Much like a mother's womb.
That is why we see longevity of life. It protected from the sun's harmful u.v. rays.
Not only did this canopy collapse but waters from the ground were released also.
Pointing to a global flood.
The possibility of 1 solid land mass as compared to the Continental divide seems appropriate.
This may have caused the Continental divide.
There are many scars left on this earth as a direct effect of a global flood.
Vegetation found only in tropic areas have been found in the north and south poles.
Fossils found all over the world can only be fossilized by a sudden covering of mud and sediments which prohibits air to start the decaying process.
Pools of oil deposits, Fresh and salt water bodies also testify to this event.

Science wise there is a major problem with the canopy theory, it would have turn the planet into a giant pressure cooker.

"
Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth.

Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220�F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature.

Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810�F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global." https://godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.html

 

[TheLearner]

there s no righteous no not one. That includes noah, he was saved by faith.

enochs book is not scripture,

children who had not sinned yet were killed in a flood?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

children who had not sinned yet were killed in a flood?

The Bible says every living creature not on the ark died. I tend not to argue with the word

 

[MoonCresta]

Science wise there is a major problem with the canopy theory, it would have turn the planet into a giant pressure cooker.

"
Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth.

Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220�F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature.

Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810�F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global." https://godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.html

Learner - please accept this respectful opinion. Once I would have believed anything that science said - really, I would have - but the older I get, the less I subscribe. I just believe science less and God more, and that's the way I am.

Regarding the flood killing children. Yes, I suppose that had to have happened. Can't explain it - I certainly don't know everything, but I do have faith that God's in charge. Why do bad things happen to good people - the age old question.

 

[TheLearner]

The Bible says every living creature not on the ark died. I tend not to argue with the word

Since the soil was destroyed by salt water, nothing would ever grow again before the 8 in the arch died.

The hebrew word for "earth" is simply "land or dirt" English translations tend to use universal stuff.

 

[49]

Since the soil was destroyed by salt water, nothing would ever grow again before the 8 in the arch died.

The hebrew word for "earth" is simply "land or dirt" English translations tend to use universal stuff.

Your profile says you were saved in 1974. Do you not believe The Bible, or am I misunderstanding your posts?
Thanks.

 

[Evers]

children who had not sinned yet were killed in a flood?

However, there is an age of accountability... I believe that is the age of 12... those under that age automatically went to heaven... and remember... we are born sinners...

 

[pottersclay]

Science wise there is a major problem with the canopy theory, it would have turn the planet into a giant pressure cooker.

"
Air can hold, at most, 55 grams of water vapor per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy. Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down), such a thick layer of water vapor would completely block any light from the Sun from reaching the earth.

Even a canopy of the equivalent of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans. This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a scorching 220�F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this temperature.

Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a vapor canopy to produce a global water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to 810�F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40 feet deep flood would certainly not be global." https://godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.html

I'm just going by what scripture says about the creation.
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good

Now in Isaiah he records that the earth is broken....off it's axles and wobbles.
Is it possible that young earth would have different out come scientifically due to its former position of rotation and position???
Not saying the canopy theory is dogmatic for this science stuff is above my pay scale😄😄😜😯😯

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Since the soil was destroyed by salt water, nothing would ever grow again before the 8 in the arch died.

The hebrew word for "earth" is simply "land or dirt" English translations tend to use universal stuff.

If the whole “land or dirt was covered as the Bible says, their was No land uncovered by water,

now matter how you translate it, it still comes to a whole earth flood.

plants grow in salt water today,

 

[TheLearner]

If the whole “land or dirt was covered as the Bible says, their was No land uncovered by water,

now matter how you translate it, it still comes to a whole earth flood.

plants grow in salt water today,

Not at a depth of 29,000 feet with a pressure of 12,000 psi -- more exact 12,558 psi at 29,054 feet.

 

[TheLearner]

Land would only refer to the land that Noah knew about. This is a guess.

 

[TheLearner]

I'm just going by what scripture says about the creation.
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good

Now in Isaiah he records that the earth is broken....off it's axles and wobbles.
Is it possible that young earth would have different out come scientifically due to its former position of rotation and position???
Not saying the canopy theory is dogmatic for this science stuff is above my pay scale😄😄😜😯😯

from dictionary:

"English from the 13th century. From Latin firmāmentum (from firmō (“strengthen”), from firmus (“firm”)), literally "that which strengthens or supports". The term is coined in the Vulgata in imitation of LXX στερέωμα (stereōma, “firm or solid structure”), which in turn translates Hebrew רקיע, strictly speaking a mistranslation, as the original Hebrew term meant "expanse", from the root רקע "to spread out", which in Syriac had acquired the meaning "to make firm or solid". "

 

[TheLearner]

Your profile says you were saved in 1974. Do you not believe The Bible, or am I misunderstanding your posts?
Thanks.

I do believe the Bible. But, one must look at Science to see what was possible thus more likely. If water covered the highest mountain in the world the water would be 29,000 feet deep and where plant life and trees were would be at 12,558 Psi. One can clean a rock or drill a hole around 2,000 psi. It takes with water jets about 55,000 psi to cut rocks like using a band saw.

Wood is crushed at 450 psi

Wood Deterioration and Its Prevention by Preservative ... - Page 343
Darrel D. Nicholas

Young Earth Creationism, tries to get around all this by saying mountains shifted higher towards the end of the flood. The big problem with that is the heat generated by the plates would boil all existing life to death including Noah and his crew.

How many animals were on the arc? How much time did it take to clean up after each animal daily by 8 people? How long would it take to feed every animal? Allowing each person to sleep 8 hours, take care of themselves 2 hours, leaves 14 hours to care for the animals.
Given 30 minutes for the care of each animal times 8 people would be 16 animals per hour. times 14 hours equals 224 animals cared for per day. Think about what is involved? There is no record of using carts and ramps in Genesis on the arc. For each animal one would have to pick up or clean up the poop and pee. Maybe fill buckets with that, use a fire chain or carry each bucket to the deck to throw overboard. If they did not dispose of the waste --- it creates likelihood of disease or even methane gas. One YEC speculates that there was one master type for each kind of animal. Like a dog would have the dna in it for all the different kinds of dogs today. Since people in Noah's time were against dogs, would they even be on the arc? Let's try 5 minutes per animal. That gives us 8 people times 12 animals per hour for 96 animals per hour cared for. 96 x 14 = 1,344 animals per day cared for. Is that really realistic by human standards?

Science and common sense must be used.

 

[Aidan1]

Can we say that 1 Peter 3:20 only eight people were saved by Noah's Ark,and others were saved by
Mercy of God

No, only 8! No others!