Do catholics worship God or the pope?

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Jackson123

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The quote you provide is from a new RCC catechism introduced in 1994. And it confirms that RCC sees Muslims as fellow believers.

Very interesting insight of deception concerning both parties.

Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet. And when Jesus returns it will not be as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, rather that He will assist them in the end time war.

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me.
Yep, that is the formula to get support from muslim
 

CherieR

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#43
As the title says: do catholics worship God or the pope?

Do they allow the pope to come between them and God?
I believe it depends on the individual person. God knows the heart of every person.
 

oyster67

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#44
As the title says: do catholics worship God or the pope?

Do they allow the pope to come between them and God?
I don't like to put them all in one big lump. Some seem to be good Christians who were just born into Catholic families. I like to talk to them as individuals before I reign down too much fire, indignation, and wrath upon them. True Christianity is more of a relationship than a religion. All of us need Jesus at the helm, no matter what denomination we are.
 

GodMyFortress

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#45
Then why does Pope Francis call Muslims "brothers"? That in itself implies that Muslims are as "saved" as Catholics.
Do you think everything the Pope says or does is significant? He doesn’t mean brother as in brothers in Christ (they’re not Christians), he means brother in the context of calling one of them friend.

When he teaches formally and to the entire church worldwide “from the chair” on matters of doctrine, that’s when the average Catholic perks up to listen to what he has to say. Otherwise, everyone goes on living there lives.
 

oyster67

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#47
God did make it easier for a Muslim to become a Christian than say a Hindu or a Buddhist. The Abraham link is critical to use in attempts to convert Muslims. You have to start from a totally different place when trying to convince a Hindu of Christianity’s truth than you would a Muslim.
Holy Spirit needs to convince, convict, convert, and enlighten no matter where one comes from.

Romans
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 

Nehemiah6

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#50
This is why men should retire before the lights go out.
No. Their lights should be "put out" before they retire. It is about time that the high level criminals of the world were held accountable for their crimes. Nuremberg 2 is long overdue.

Where are the thousands of lawyers who planned to go after the high level criminals? The pope has being promoting illegal immigration and unethical vaccinations. So what should be done with this Communist?
 

randyk

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#52
I think history clearly shows that the Church functions better when it’s focused on the Church. When the Papal States reverted to Italian control, that marked the end of having real temporal power. I’m personally glad that happened. When a Church leader has to focus on being a temporal ruler as much as religious leader, that person is bound to be less effective.
I completely agree, although it's not really acquiring property and government functions that bother me as much as the implied doctrine stating that the entire Christian Church should be organized into one organization led by the Pope. There is *nothing* in the bible that remotely implies that is necessary, except for Christ's call for Christian unity.

But Christian unity was never stated by Paul to be dependent on a single all-encompassing organization, such as the RCC demands. Real unity can take place among several metropolitan organizations, several different national churches, Eastern and Western Churches, independents, separatists, etc. etc.

Paul asked, "Who is Paul?" The rhetorical question demands the answer: "Paul is nothing--only a servant of Christ." If Paul is nothing, then the Pope is nothing. If Paul rebuked Peter, then the Pope, "Peter's successor," is capable of being rebuked.
 

randyk

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#54
You can’t because it doesn’t exist. So don’t worry about it.
You asked, "If you can point me to the dogma that says you can reject Christianity, practice Islam, and be saved; I’d like to see it."

I don't care to answer a question that has nothing to do with any point that I made. The Catholic Church has issues, and it sounds, from what some are saying, that the Pope has been dallying with Muslims, confusing them with theologically-suspect statements indicating they are "equals" with Christians?

If so, this is bad news for the Catholic Church, to make the Christian Gospel "muddy" and give false comfort to Muslims who *are not within genuine Christian salvation.* Our message, as Christians, should be clear. I agree that it is good to be "all things to all people." But to confuse the Gospel as something Christians and Muslims have in common is contemptible. It allows people to think there is a way around Christ to walk the "Narrow Path." But clearly, Jesus said, "I am the Way," meaning he is the *only way!*
 

randyk

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#57
This is why men should retire before the lights go out.
It's amazing that a Pope would try to reach out to Muslims at the same time he thinks nothing about offending Christian evangelicals. Maybe this exposes his spiritual bankruptcy with respect to true "catholicism," ie the universality of Christianity in all nations and in all denominations?
 

GodMyFortress

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You asked, "If you can point me to the dogma that says you can reject Christianity, practice Islam, and be saved; I’d like to see it."

I don't care to answer a question that has nothing to do with any point that I made. The Catholic Church has issues, and it sounds, from what some are saying, that the Pope has been dallying with Muslims, confusing them with theologically-suspect statements indicating they are "equals" with Christians?

If so, this is bad news for the Catholic Church, to make the Christian Gospel "muddy" and give false comfort to Muslims who *are not within genuine Christian salvation.* Our message, as Christians, should be clear. I agree that it is good to be "all things to all people." But to confuse the Gospel as something Christians and Muslims have in common is contemptible. It allows people to think there is a way around Christ to walk the "Narrow Path." But clearly, Jesus said, "I am the Way," meaning he is the *only way!*
You know what’s so great about my Church? The only people that are confused by it are the people that aren’t part of it. Catholics know what the official teachings of the Church is worldwide because the doctrines of my faith are accessible to everyone. Only y’all seem confused about our relationships with other religions.
 

ewq1938

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#59
They sing praises to Lucifer.

 

randyk

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#60
You know what’s so great about my Church? The only people that are confused by it are the people that aren’t part of it. Catholics know what the official teachings of the Church is worldwide because the doctrines of my faith are accessible to everyone. Only y’all seem confused about our relationships with other religions.
I'm not at all confused. I know the history. And I was raised in the Lutheran Church. As you may know, Luther was a Catholic. The primary reason he left that communion was because he was, as a theologian, doing his job. When the Pope suggested the matter be discussed, he was privately planning to burn Luther at the stake. Do you think he didn't know about Catholic teaching? He was a loyal Catholic theologian until they tried to kill him just for doing what his job required of him, and what his conscience encouraged him to do.