The second coming of Jesus
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That reminds me of something I'd been pondering since an ancient of cc brought up a question of the firmament recently, as in, ''...where is the firmament?" Just from considering the question, it was like the understanding of it just "clicked" as soon as it was asked it like,..."hey, ohh! yes... soo, that is the firmament!" even though it had rather confused me up to this point. And looking further into the 'firmament' confirmed the notion that seemed to just crystalize in a single moment. It is the 'face of the earth' where these clouds mentioned in Job 28:37 dwell.
And so I agree with ewq1938 in this instance, that these bottles are referring to bottles of rain, especially considering the question(s) asked in the verse strike me as only rhetorical questions that can only be answered, "no one but You, LORD." IOW, "Who can 'stay' the bottles of heaven" is spiritual sign language for, "Who can gather the rain in bottles (clouds)? or who can stop Me when I pour them out?"
And so I agree with ewq1938 in this instance, that these bottles are referring to bottles of rain, especially considering the question(s) asked in the verse strike me as only rhetorical questions that can only be answered, "no one but You, LORD." IOW, "Who can 'stay' the bottles of heaven" is spiritual sign language for, "Who can gather the rain in bottles (clouds)? or who can stop Me when I pour them out?"
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Good day, OR,
If by "this millennia" you are referring to the millennial kingdom, the church will have already been changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will rule with Christ, as will the 144,000 out of Israel and the resurrected great tribulation saints. Those of the great tribulation saints who make it alive through the entire tribulation period, along with the remnant of Israel, will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies and will repopulate the earth. Regarding the sequence of events, here is a bit of a directory:
* You are here
* Christ descends from heaven to the air and gathers the church (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess.4:16-17, 1 Cor.15:51-53, Rev.4:1)
* God's wrath (Day of the Lord) begins via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment (Rev. Chapters 6 thru 18)
* Majority of the earth's population decimated and all human government dismantled
* Jesus returns to the earth to end the age after God's wrath is completed, i.e. after the 7th bowl (Rev.16:17, 19:11-21)
* Beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20)
* All of the surviving wicked are killed by the Lord's double-edged sword (Rev.19:15, 21)
* Satan is restricted in the Abyss (Rev.20:1-3)
* Great Tribulation Saints resurrected (Rev.20:4-6)
* Thousand year reign of Christ (a thousand years mentioned six times in Rev.20:1-7)
* Satan released at the end of the thousand years for one last deception (Rev.20:7)
* Satan cast into the lake of fire - (Rev.20:10)
* Great White Throne judgment (Judgment for all of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history) - (Rev.20:11-15)
* New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem - (Revelation chapters 21 & 22)
Now regarding your concern, you are correct in that after all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will cause, that the earth will be a chaotic mess! For the seas and all of the fresh water will have been turned into literal blood at the 2nd and 3rd bowl judgments, the majority of the population will have been decimated, the cities of the nations will have collapsed and much more.
All that said, though not mentioned, I believe when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, that He will for a lack of a better word, renovate the earth for the millennial kingdom to make it habitable. I am reminded of the prophecy regarding the millennial temple described in detail in Ezekiel chapters 40-48 and the mentioning of the waters teaming with fish, etc.
There are some who believe and teach that prior to the thousand years, that this is when the prophecy in 2 Peter 3:10 takes place where heaven and earth and everything in it will melt with fervent heat, being destroyed by fire and laid bare. However, if that was the case, I would be asking the question as to what God does with all of the people who will have survived the tribulation period. He would have to remove them from the earth prior to burning it up and then put them back in it. And because everything will have been burned up, then there would be no swords to beat into blow shares and no spears to be fashioned into pruning hooks (Isaiah 2:4), nor would there be any fresh water or oceans.
However, scripture points to this event of the heaven and the earth being destroyed as taking place after the millennial kingdom, which would also make more sense, as there will be no one left on the earth at that time when God burns it up. Regarding this, the Father says the following regarding His Son in regards to the end of this present heavens and earth:
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“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed;
but You remain the same,
and Your years will never end.”
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I hope that this was beneficial
If by "this millennia" you are referring to the millennial kingdom, the church will have already been changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and will rule with Christ, as will the 144,000 out of Israel and the resurrected great tribulation saints. Those of the great tribulation saints who make it alive through the entire tribulation period, along with the remnant of Israel, will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies and will repopulate the earth. Regarding the sequence of events, here is a bit of a directory:
* You are here
* Christ descends from heaven to the air and gathers the church (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess.4:16-17, 1 Cor.15:51-53, Rev.4:1)
* God's wrath (Day of the Lord) begins via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment (Rev. Chapters 6 thru 18)
* Majority of the earth's population decimated and all human government dismantled
* Jesus returns to the earth to end the age after God's wrath is completed, i.e. after the 7th bowl (Rev.16:17, 19:11-21)
* Beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20)
* All of the surviving wicked are killed by the Lord's double-edged sword (Rev.19:15, 21)
* Satan is restricted in the Abyss (Rev.20:1-3)
* Great Tribulation Saints resurrected (Rev.20:4-6)
* Thousand year reign of Christ (a thousand years mentioned six times in Rev.20:1-7)
* Satan released at the end of the thousand years for one last deception (Rev.20:7)
* Satan cast into the lake of fire - (Rev.20:10)
* Great White Throne judgment (Judgment for all of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history) - (Rev.20:11-15)
* New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem - (Revelation chapters 21 & 22)
Now regarding your concern, you are correct in that after all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will cause, that the earth will be a chaotic mess! For the seas and all of the fresh water will have been turned into literal blood at the 2nd and 3rd bowl judgments, the majority of the population will have been decimated, the cities of the nations will have collapsed and much more.
All that said, though not mentioned, I believe when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, that He will for a lack of a better word, renovate the earth for the millennial kingdom to make it habitable. I am reminded of the prophecy regarding the millennial temple described in detail in Ezekiel chapters 40-48 and the mentioning of the waters teaming with fish, etc.
There are some who believe and teach that prior to the thousand years, that this is when the prophecy in 2 Peter 3:10 takes place where heaven and earth and everything in it will melt with fervent heat, being destroyed by fire and laid bare. However, if that was the case, I would be asking the question as to what God does with all of the people who will have survived the tribulation period. He would have to remove them from the earth prior to burning it up and then put them back in it. And because everything will have been burned up, then there would be no swords to beat into blow shares and no spears to be fashioned into pruning hooks (Isaiah 2:4), nor would there be any fresh water or oceans.
However, scripture points to this event of the heaven and the earth being destroyed as taking place after the millennial kingdom, which would also make more sense, as there will be no one left on the earth at that time when God burns it up. Regarding this, the Father says the following regarding His Son in regards to the end of this present heavens and earth:
=========================================
“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed;
but You remain the same,
and Your years will never end.”
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I hope that this was beneficial
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To be clear, I don't want to discourage the connection you made, because there very well might be a valid connection applied there, also, since the spiritual can't be limited to natural delineations. Again, using the 'firmament' for example, may refer to other '(sur)faces of the earth' in other instances according to context, when I consider one of the idiosyncrasy of the Hebrew language where the word for 'face,' panim (possesses a plural suffix; -im).
Nothing there removes the law from our righteous commitments.
Christ died on the cross to establish grace as an umbrella under which we can get forgiveness of our transgressions...sins...thereby maintaining our state of righteousness.
If we have no law to follow then Christ would not have had to die on the cross...would He? God could have declared that without such sacrifice.
Christ died on the cross to establish grace as an umbrella under which we can get forgiveness of our transgressions...sins...thereby maintaining our state of righteousness.
If we have no law to follow then Christ would not have had to die on the cross...would He? God could have declared that without such sacrifice.
Then you have not understood what those verses mean.
Christ fulfilled the law, satisfying it completely because we were and are unable to keep. When we try to keep the law, it brings wrath when we fail at it and condemns us.
As one of those scriptures states, if you put yourself under the law to obey it, you must obey the whole law. If you break it in one place, you've broken the whole law and are law breaker.
No thank you, I will not trade the grace of God through faith in Christ for the works of the law to obtain salvation. For as one of the other scriptures that I provided says, "no one will be justified by observing the law."
You ought to go back and read those again and take them to heart. If we could be saved by observing the works of the law, then Christ died for nothing.
You haven't understood the difference between the works of the law vs. salvation by grace through faith. You're a modern day Pharisee.
Christ fulfilled the law, satisfying it completely because we were and are unable to keep. When we try to keep the law, it brings wrath when we fail at it and condemns us.
As one of those scriptures states, if you put yourself under the law to obey it, you must obey the whole law. If you break it in one place, you've broken the whole law and are law breaker.
No thank you, I will not trade the grace of God through faith in Christ for the works of the law to obtain salvation. For as one of the other scriptures that I provided says, "no one will be justified by observing the law."
You ought to go back and read those again and take them to heart. If we could be saved by observing the works of the law, then Christ died for nothing.
You haven't understood the difference between the works of the law vs. salvation by grace through faith. You're a modern day Pharisee.
You have it backwards. If we could be saved by observing and performing the works of the law, then Christ would not have had to meet the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and would not have had to pay the penalty for our sins.
We are under a different covenant my friend. As the scripture states, "He sets aside the old to establish the new"
We are under a different covenant my friend. As the scripture states, "He sets aside the old to establish the new"
When you believe and teach that we are still under the law, you working against Christ.
Christ is representing us as a human being, but without sin. He did everything on our behalf, including the fulfillment of the law. Now we follow in the new way, under a different covenant:
"But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (the law). - Romans 7:6
Christ is representing us as a human being, but without sin. He did everything on our behalf, including the fulfillment of the law. Now we follow in the new way, under a different covenant:
"But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (the law). - Romans 7:6
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