The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[reneweddaybyday]

One of the reasons why Christ came to this earth, was to be made under the Law, for His Members [ of His Body]

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Read your Bible!!!

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Gee ... I wonder why the epistle to the Hebrews would include the statement "he took on him the seed of Abraham"???

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

Hebrews 2:16 and Philippians 2:7 complement each other. The reason Hebrews 2:16 uses the term "seed of Abraham" is because Abraham was Hebrew. Gen 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew ...

Philippians 2:7 and Hebrews 2:16 tell the same truth ... that the Lord Jesus Christ humbled Himself in taking upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (Phil 2:7).

Hebrews 2:16 is not segregating out some descendants of Adam from the pool of mankind as if the believer was some sort of special person ("elect") prior to being born again.

In being made of a woman and made under law, He took on the seed of Abraham and not the seed of mankind in general

Quit parsing Scripture! Again read your Bible!!!

Philippians 2:

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You need a good dose of Phil 2:5. Quit holding yourself out as not a part of "mankind in general". You are no better than any other descendant of Adam.

The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is not "elect" until "The Elect" dwells within (i.e. until we are born again).

Lets not forget in this connection that it is written that he took on the seed of Abraham Heb 2:1619

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

For it was with this seed only He stood Identified with

Again ... ripping verses out of context in order to prop up a doctrine not contained in Scripture.

Philippians 2:

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I heard a great message the other night on the meaning of the Greek word σῴζω, sózó, Strong's 4982. It's usually translated as "saved" or "salvation" but has a whole lot of other meanings. A study of all the various ways this word is translated in the New Testament is very enlightening.

 

[brightfame52]

Also made a curse !

It is in this way Jesus was made sin for the sins of us [ The seed of Abraham] by becoming their sin bearer; for He was also made a curse for His People Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us [seed of Abraham] from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us [seed of Abraham]: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The first we read of any curse is Gen 3:17

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

and this curse is the result of Adam's Sin who BTW is the Forefather of Abraham see Lk 3:34 which was the breaking of the Law of God, the covenant of God, that Adam broke covenant is seen here:

Hos 6:7

But they like men [Adam] have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Well Christ as the substitute on the cross for the sins of the seed of Abraham, not only bore the curse for them, but became a curse for them, so that, when Christ took away their sin on the Tree, He redeemed them out of the curse of the Law and Covenant Deut 29:21

And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

Gods people whom Christ died for can never be called cursed i.e Num 23:7-8

7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.

8 How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied?

cp 2 Cor 5:19 & Rom 8:33

For Christ has become a curse for them already and has borne all their charges !

Now, it should go without saying that those who will yet hear these words from The Saviour, the Seed of Abraham Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

cannot be any for whom Christ died for substituted for. Those can be only cursed for this Gal 3:10

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

These are born under the curse of the law and remain so, with no redemption, and so shall hear those dreadful words in the day of Judgment.

They were not of the seed of Abraham or of the woman, but of the seed of the serpent ! see Gen 3:14-15

 

[Evmur]

Again you rip a verse out of its context in order to claim what is not in Scripture.

2 Corinthians 5:

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

All descendants of Adam are dead:

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind and the love that He exhibited in dying for all mankind ... even those who crucified Him (Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do - Luke 23:34) ... that same love is to be evident in life of the born again believer. We do not withhold the love of Christ from anyone.

2 Corinthians 5:

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Those who are born again are a new creation in Christ and God has committed to us the ministry of reconciliation. We go out into the world ... not imputing their trespasses unto them ... and we preach the gospel to all mankind. We do not withhold the gospel from someone because we deem them as "not elect". What a farce!





Not a true statement. The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind and there are some who do not come to faith because they hold [restrain, suppress] the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18). Those who do not come to faith do not live a life of self sacrifice, nor do they live unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

Additionally, there are some who are born again who live a carnal life ... they are spoken of in 1 Cor 3:

1 Corinthians 3:2-3 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Reading further in 1 Cor 3, we find that If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (1 Cor 3:15). So we have born again believers who are carnal and "walk as men" but who are still saved. These carnal believers also do not live a life of self sacrifice unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

But the grace was made available to them by the cross.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Also made a curse !

It is in this way Jesus was made sin for the sins of us [ The seed of Abraham] by becoming their sin bearer; for He was also made a curse for His People Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us [seed of Abraham] from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us [seed of Abraham]: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

oy brightfame52!!! your complete and utter disregard for Scripture is abominable!

Galatians was written to correct the error which occurred because Jews came into the church at Galatia and taught that gentiles must follow the law.

Galatians 2:

3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

...

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

...

Galatians 3:

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

...

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


In order to understand Scripture, just read Scripture in the manner God intended ... learn what it is that God wants you to learn. Do not add a narrative to the record which is not intended by God.

The first we read of any curse is Gen 3:17

wrong ... Gen 3:14

Hos 6:7

But they like men [Adam] have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

sigh ... the verse is not speaking of Adam personally. The verse is speaking of mankind {Hebrew 'āḏām), and specifically the children of Israel.

Just because the Hebrew word 'āḏām is used in Hos 6:7, that does not mean God is referring to Adam. Please read Scripture with discernment.

If you still believe Hos 6:7 is referring to Adam personally, please describe what "covenant" Adam dealt treacherously against [God]?

Adam transgressed the commandment of God ... not any covenant entered into between God and Adam.

Well Christ as the substitute on the cross for the sins of the seed of Abraham, not only bore the curse for them, but became a curse for them, so that, when Christ took away their sin on the Tree, He redeemed them out of the curse of the Law and Covenant Deut 29:21

And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

And again because you will not read the context in which a verse is written, you completely misinterpret its meaning in your vain attempt to prop up a dogma never intended by God.

Deuteronomy 29 tells us about a covenant entered into between God and the children of Israel at Moab:

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

God then warned the people that they are not to deceitfully enter into covenant with Him:

Deuteronomy 29:

18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law


Again, I implore you, READ YOUR BIBLE!!! ... quit walking in the imagination of [your] heart ... the Lord will not spare!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

But the grace was made available to them by the cross.

yep ...

John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

More on the accomplishment of the Atonement !

Now, regarding the substitutionary death of Christ for sinners, that in and of itself was not able to meet the righteous demands of God's Law, for to merely punish the innocent and clear the guilty was also a violation of Gods Law which Christ came to fulfill. Prov 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

However, the Head being Identified with it's body may be charged for the crimes of the body i.e Eph 5:23,30

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

He identified with His body in taking on the seed of Abraham ! He had the redeemers right to redeem His people as the nearest of kin to them, and holding by virtue of a higher status, as the firstborn in the seed of Abraham, because they too partook of flesh and blood Heb 2:14,16b

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

16b but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

You see, He substituted for those who were of the seed of Abraham, they all belonged to the same seed line, He and they !22

 

[Journeyman]

More on the accomplishment of the Atonement !

Now, regarding the substitutionary death of Christ for sinners, that in and of itself was not able to meet the righteous demands of God's Law, for to merely punish the innocent and clear the guilty was also a violation of Gods Law which Christ came to fulfill. Prov 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

However, the Head being Identified with it's body may be charged for the crimes of the body i.e Eph 5:23,30

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

He identified with His body in taking on the seed of Abraham ! He had the redeemers right to redeem His people as the nearest of kin to them, and holding by virtue of a higher status, as the firstborn in the seed of Abraham, because they too partook of flesh and blood Heb 2:14,16b

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

16b but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

You see, He substituted for those who were of the seed of Abraham, they all belonged to the same seed line, He and they !22

Paul said,

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and makethem the members of an harlot? God forbid. 1Cor.6:15

Our Lord, as Paul teaches, expected his followers to repent. And sinners are forgiven by the grace of God. The grace of God is where Jesus endured the mocking and spitting and beating and everything else without knocking their stupid heads off.

 

[brightfame52]

Eph 2:4-6

When did God make us alive together with Christ ?

Eph 2:4-6

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The answer to the question is in purpose and objectively we were raised up together with Christ at the same time He was raised up by The Father. That is what Paul is teaching here.

 

[brightfame52]

Paul said,

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and makethem the members of an harlot? God forbid. 1Cor.6:15

Our Lord, as Paul teaches, expected his followers to repent. And sinners are forgiven by the grace of God. The grace of God is where Jesus endured the mocking and spitting and beating and everything else without knocking their stupid heads off.

Did you read and understand the points made in the post you quoted of mine ?

 

[Journeyman]

Did you read and understand the points made in the post you quoted of mine ?

Yes, I understand your points. You say,

to merely punish the innocent and clear the guilty was also a violation of Gods Law which Christ came to fulfill. Prov 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

That's true, but then you say,

However, the Head being Identified with it's body may be charged for the crimes of the body i.e Eph 5:23,30

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

That isn't true, because only the ungodly identified our Lord as a sinner. They wrongfully accused him of violating God's law and in this way only, falsely, Jesus appeared cursed.

Paul is not teaching that our Savior is the head of a sinful body. He's teaching that after we realize how sinfully Christ (God) was treated, we repent, receive his Spirit and then become part of his body.

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: Deut.21.22

Jesus committed no sin worthy of death and therefore to crucify him was sin.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures 1Cor.15:3

Do you understand that according to the scriptures, our King chose to be sinfully defamed to give sinners time to repent of the shameful way he was treated, instead of bringing immediate judgement on mankind? That's called grace. WAKE UP.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When did God make us alive together with Christ ? ...

The answer to the question is in purpose and objectively we were raised up together with Christ at the same time He was raised up by The Father. That is what Paul is teaching here.

No. That is not what "Paul is teaching here".

Ephesians 2:

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus


You claim that while we walked according to the course of this world ... in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, we were in heavenly places???

That is nothing but vain imagining.

What is stated in Eph 2 is God's great mercy and God's great love in having made provision for the sinner who walked according to the course of this world ... in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind.

God made provision for all of mankind ... John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

When whosoever believeth in Him believes, that person who once had their conversation in times past in the lusts of [their] flesh is then quickened (Greek syzōopoieō, which means "made alive) ... by grace ye are saved. As the Lord Jesus Christ is now seated in the heavenlies, and as the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body, the born again one is in Him. You or I have no place in the heavenlies outside of Him. It is in Him that all spiritual blessings flow ...


John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

The Atonement of Christ accomplished the building of Christ Church !

Matt 16:18

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus here did not mean a literal church building, but His People, True believers in Him, upon the rock of He being the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and the shedding of His Blood..

Within this statement Jesus ensures there will believers in Himself, that is all that the Father hath given Him. His building His Church produces believers, Notice Jesus states " I will build my Church " take that freewillers, for Christ depends solely on His will and not yours to build His Church.

The word build is the greek word:

oikodomeō and means:


to build a house, erect a building

a) to build (up from the foundation)

b) to restore by building, to rebuild, repair2) metaph.

a) to found, establish

b) to promote growth in Christian wisdom, affection, grace, virtue, holiness, blessedness

c) to grow in wisdom and piety

This Ideal is conveyed in Acts 15 when James quotes scripture prophecy Acts 15:13-16

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out[choose] of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

This also means that Christ Church was in the OT as well.

And Christ assures us that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it !

The gates of hell cannot prevent one for whom Christ died from believing in Christ nor from going to heaven. If anyone of the church that the blood of Christ purchased as per Acts 20:28b

to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

If anyone of them perish for their sins, then the gates of hell prevailed against the Church that Christ said He would build. If anyone of that Church dies in unbelief and perish in their sins as per Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Then the gates of hell prevailed against Christ building His Church.

If one goes to hell its because the gates of hell prevailed against them, that is the devil prevailed against them.

Unbelief is due to the devil blinding us 2 Cor 4:3

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

Lk 8:12

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

So yes, unbelief is due to the devil being victorious ! He prevails preventing one to believe and be saved.. Paul says this:

2 Thess 2:1025

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Satan, the Devil, the gates of Hell is prevailing against such as these..

But Jesus Christ by His Atoning death will build a community of believers in Him, that shall follow Him..

He says as a complement to Matt 16:18 this Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Thats His building, His drawing all to Him that He was lifted up for as the Son of the Living God.

 

[brightfame52]

journeyman

That isn't true,

Yes it is true. The body of Christ, His members are the sinners, not He the Head. Thats why Hes the Saviour of the Body Eph 5:23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Its the same as being the Head and Saviour of the wife , the wife sinned ! Christ had to have a legal connection to those sinners, like a husband has a legal connection with his wife, and a head to its members !

 

[brightfame52]

No. That is not what "Paul is teaching here".

Ephesians 2:

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus


You claim that while we walked according to the course of this world ... in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, we were in heavenly places???

That is nothing but vain imagining.

What is stated in Eph 2 is God's great mercy and God's great love in having made provision for the sinner who walked according to the course of this world ... in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind.

God made provision for all of mankind ... John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

When whosoever believeth in Him believes, that person who once had their conversation in times past in the lusts of [their] flesh is then quickened (Greek syzōopoieō, which means "made alive) ... by grace ye are saved. As the Lord Jesus Christ is now seated in the heavenlies, and as the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the body, the born again one is in Him. You or I have no place in the heavenlies outside of Him. It is in Him that all spiritual blessings flow ...


John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Yes it is. The elect members in Christ were made alive with its Head simultaneously when He was raised from the dead Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The word here together is the greek word synegeirō :

1. to raise together, to cause to raise together
2. to raise up together from mortal death to a new and blessed life dedicated to God

The word syn means :

1. with

It denotes a union with.

Now each member of Christs body will in time have that resurrected life they have in Christ applied to them by Christ their head, wherein it says He quickens them Jn 5:21

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

1 Cor 15:45

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit

That quickening life belongs to them by virtue of the fact they were raised together with Him Eph 2:6 !

 

[Journeyman]

journeyman



Yes it is true. The body of Christ, His members are the sinners

No, the body of Christ is the former sinners and any so called christian who lives according to his old nature is going to die,

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servantsto obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin untodeath, or of obedience untorighteousness? Rom.6:16

 

[brightfame52]

Christ death accomplished purification of sin to all He died for !

Heb 9:13

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Those who believe that the atoning death of Christ does not purify all for whom He died, you are reducing the precious blood of the Son of God to be even less effective than the blood of bulls and goats, and the ashes of an heifer that accomplished the purifying of the flesh, which was actually a type of what the Blood of Christ does..

Whereas the animal blood only provided outward sanctification and purification, the blood of Christ accomplished a purification of the inmost being, for it [His blood] actually purifies the conscience from dead works to serve the Living God..

Anyone who never comes to serve the Living God, Christ did not shed His blood for them, or His blood was ineffectual . 30

 

[brightfame52]

No, the body of Christ is the former sinners and any so called christian who lives according to his old nature is going to die,

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servantsto obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin untodeath, or of obedience untorighteousness? Rom.6:16

You dont get it !

 

[Journeyman]

You dont get it !

I understand how our Lords sacrifice will effect prople he died for, who chose not to believe His instruction to repent,

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn.3:18

What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?.....Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? Rom.3:3,6

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Heb.10:26

So Jesus's sacrifice had a twofold purpose.

 

[Journeyman]

Anyone who never comes to serve the Living God, Christ did not shed His blood for them, or His blood was ineffectual . 30

This is not true, because our Savior Jesus is God and therefore has the right to judge those who judged him, to condemn those who sinned against him.