Adultery in Matt 5:28

[posthuman]

Alright I will say tested and I am not saying there is evil in God but talking about the man Christ Jesus which there was no evil in Him either.

I only said tempted because of the Hebrew scripture that said He was tempted, so I will say tested, for I want to say it right.

It's cool hardly anyone gets this right. When my pastor first brought me to understand it I was amazed, it opens up so much, and why had no one ever told me before? I have to teach others, too

It's a bad translation. Same with Matthew 4 - Satan can't "tempt" God; Satan "tests/examines" Jesus in the wilderness. Satan does not know He is God, he thinks He is just an anointed man, and means for Jesus to be tempted - but Satan at this time learns something about the Messiah. Christ is like the first Adam; He is not deceived and cannot be tempted. so Satan seeks to deceive His betrothed bride, the Church, instead.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

James tells us about how humanity is tempted. Humanity is drawn by their own lust in their own heart.
If Jesus is "tempted" as humanity is, then you are saying that He has lust of His own in His own heart, and He calls that sin. So you are placing sin in God, calling Him evil, therefore saying there is no salvation because Christ is not a worthy sacrifice.
In Him is no sin. He was born of a virgin, and sin entered the world through one man - He is perfect humanity, not humanity like us, who are fallen. The whole context of Hebrews 4 is priesthood, and a priest is not tempted by God when he is consecrated; he is "tested"
Christ was "tested" in every way that we are tested, but in Him is found no sin, yet in all of us is found much sin.
Therefore He is able to help us as our priest, not because He is just as full of sin in His heart as we are! But because He was examined in every way we are examined and tried, and He is proven holy and true!

I think the temptation of Christ was necassary for his priestly role. The priest has to be a man , a holy man, because he is interceding for man , mediating a relationship between man and God .

part of Christs mission was to lay down his glory for the time and be as one of us . The very first law of mans creation is that man is subject to God. So christs mission to earth requires him to make himself subject like we are . This meant he could be tempted in every way we are the worst of us Jesus was tempted and never broke like we do

in order to save us he had to perfect the flesh which is what can be tempted . God carries the flesh for us through temptations of the flesh he carried keeping it holy like we can’t


When A baby is born it is without sin , temptation later comes and they sin . Christ carries his holiness from birth to the death of the cross in subjection to God. Because he was tempted and overcame it’s an example for us

Christ became one of us on full and redeemed our fallen state to make us like him who believe

when the holy soirit leads Jesus to be tempted after baptism you can see his flesh being tempted from hunger, it was tempting to him to eat but his fast was more important .

we see again his humanity struggling to overcome him just before the cross as he fears the terror approaching of the cross . To me it’s a comfor to know he went through the same things we do the same struggles and trials and he showed us an example and became our forerunner showing us hat we too can be glorified sons of God after we partook the flesh

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because of his victory and our faith we can approach the throne and get strength gainer temptations of all
Kinds he’s been through it and came out spotless the priesthood required a man to overcome so he had to be tempted and be victorious to be mans priest

“As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ was always perfect but the flesh isn’t , he made it perfect so we could have a priest able to save us from death through temptation

 

[JaumeJ]

James tells us about how humanity is tempted. Humanity is drawn by their own lust in their own heart.
If Jesus is "tempted" as humanity is, then you are saying that He has lust of His own in His own heart, and He calls that sin. So you are placing sin in God, calling Him evil, therefore saying there is no salvation because Christ is not a worthy sacrifice.
In Him is no sin. He was born of a virgin, and sin entered the world through one man - He is perfect humanity, not humanity like us, who are fallen. The whole context of Hebrews 4 is priesthood, and a priest is not tempted by God when he is consecrated; he is "tested"
Christ was "tested" in every way that we are tested, but in Him is found no sin, yet in all of us is found much sin.
Therefore He is able to help us as our priest, not because He is just as full of sin in His heart as we are! But because He was examined in every way we are examined and tried, and He is proven holy and true!

When Satan was there to tempt Him, he was very disappointed
because he could not tmpt our Salvation a bit. Praise our Savior, amen. Thank you PH...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Lust another man's wife or girls no Excuse.
It's about respect to another,Think like this, you meet in heaven one day, and then she finds you lust her, what an embarrassing scene.

especially a sister 😅

 

[posthuman]

in order to save us he had to perfect the flesh which is what can be tempted

Absolutely no.

Temptation is the sin in our own flesh and hearts drawing us to do evil.

In Him is no sin. Please see my convo with MattforJesus - God does not 'tempt' anyone, much less a priest in order to consecrate them. He "examines" - it is the LORD who searches the heart.

Christ is God, He is perfect humanity, therefore He cannot be "tempted"

 

[JaumeJ]

How could the Lamb of God be blemished? Not possible, and no creature can cause lust to form in the perfect in order for Him to be weakened by temptation.

I am not perfect but He is for me.

 

[soberxp]

especially a sister 😅

Not only about this,also about How you love Jesus, Jesus said: if you love me, keep my command.
and Matt 5:28 is one of his command.love others as yourself.cuz you don't want your wife or daughter lust by others.

 

[posthuman]

When A baby is born it is without sin , temptation later comes and they sin

How long does it take before an infant is selfish?

 

[Hungry]

Lust another man's wife or girls no Excuse.
It's about respect to another,Think like this, you meet in heaven one day, and then she finds you lust her, what an embarrassing scene.

You think there is no fundamental difference between allowing yourself to be sexually attracted to another man’s wife compared to a single female at work? Keep in mind he’s talking to men who can practice polygamy and take sex slaves.

I no longer suffer from the lustful thoughts I once did, however there were years where I let this verse heap guilt on me for a perfectly healthy sex drive.

I posted this for those who currently suffer the unnecessary shame for seeing a beautiful young single woman and fully enjoy her smile and her flirty display of curves.

The mastery of suppressing every carnal desire including food, sex, acceptance and even life itself has been a lifelong mission. My life now is void of just about every pleasure. The reward is great. With no desire, there is no temptation and no sin. That doesn’t mean I don’t sin. I still slip from time to time but it’s not hours or days like before. It’s more like months.

 

[Runningman]

I think the temptation of Christ was necassary for his priestly role. The priest has to be a man , a holy man, because he is interceding for man , mediating a relationship between man and God .

part of Christs mission was to lay down his glory for the time and be as one of us . The very first law of mans creation is that man is subject to God. So christs mission to earth requires him to make himself subject like we are . This meant he could be tempted in every way we are the worst of us Jesus was tempted and never broke like we do

in order to save us he had to perfect the flesh which is what can be tempted . God carries the flesh for us through temptations of the flesh he carried keeping it holy like we can’t


When A baby is born it is without sin , temptation later comes and they sin . Christ carries his holiness from birth to the death of the cross in subjection to God. Because he was tempted and overcame it’s an example for us

Christ became one of us on full and redeemed our fallen state to make us like him who believe

when the holy soirit leads Jesus to be tempted after baptism you can see his flesh being tempted from hunger, it was tempting to him to eat but his fast was more important .

we see again his humanity struggling to overcome him just before the cross as he fears the terror approaching of the cross . To me it’s a comfor to know he went through the same things we do the same struggles and trials and he showed us an example and became our forerunner showing us hat we too can be glorified sons of God after we partook the flesh

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because of his victory and our faith we can approach the throne and get strength gainer temptations of all
Kinds he’s been through it and came out spotless the priesthood required a man to overcome so he had to be tempted and be victorious to be mans priest

“As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ was always perfect but the flesh isn’t , he made it perfect so we could have a priest able to save us from death through temptation

Another good one;

Hebrews 2:17-18
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted

 

[Runningman]

Absolutely no.

Temptation is the sin in our own flesh and hearts drawing us to do evil.

In Him is no sin. Please see my convo with MattforJesus - God does not 'tempt' anyone, much less a priest in order to consecrate them. He "examines" - it is the LORD who searches the heart.

Christ is God, He is perfect humanity, therefore He cannot be "tempted"

I agree. Temptation is the enticement of evil desires. Christ does not have evil desires therefore He cannot be tempted. However, comma, that did not stop the devil from attempting to tempt God the Son while present on Earth in the flesh.

According to James 1:14-15, being tempted is not a sin.

James 1:14-15
14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. 15Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

 

[soberxp]

You think there is no fundamental difference between allowing yourself to be sexually attracted to another man’s wife compared to a single female at work? Keep in mind he’s talking to men who can practice polygamy and take sex slaves.

I no longer suffer from the lustful thoughts I once did, however there were years where I let this verse heap guilt on me for a perfectly healthy sex drive.

I posted this for those who currently suffer the unnecessary shame for seeing a beautiful young single woman and fully enjoy her smile and her flirty display of curves.

The mastery of suppressing every carnal desire including food, sex, acceptance and even life itself has been a lifelong mission. My life now is void of just about every pleasure. The reward is great. With no desire, there is no temptation and no sin. That doesn’t mean I don’t sin. I still slip from time to time but it’s not hours or days like before. It’s more like months.

Appreciating the beauty of others is different from lust，It's human nature to think that others are beautiful,even some angles love beautiful girls of human in Enoch book.

,but lust is lust.

You know it and I know it.but with strong faith we can overcome it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Absolutely no.

Temptation is the sin in our own flesh and hearts drawing us to do evil.

In Him is no sin. Please see my convo with MattforJesus - God does not 'tempt' anyone, much less a priest in order to consecrate them. He "examines" - it is the LORD who searches the heart.

Christ is God, He is perfect humanity, therefore He cannot be "tempted"

Christ is the appointed time when God became a man though I think is something you are not considering for the purpose of subjecting himself to temptation of the flesh which is what got us

what do you make of this ?

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1-

I think you are hearing “Jesus was a sinner “ which is not what I’m saying your I think discounting that God became flesh , and flesh is what’s tempted any flesh can be tempted what makes it unholy is when temptation wins . If he wasn’t tempted the. He never actually lived as a man

here again is a good example of Jesus humanity . something you should consider , but don’t have to it’s just a thought

And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:37-44‬

Jesus was struggling with carrying out Gods will because of the terrors ahead for him. It wasn’t as if Jesus was a robot he had emotions , feelings pain receptors , he for stressed all the things we experience as humans so did he

it’s a struggle we see there our Lords glory is that he overcame what we could not and never sinned , never strayed from the fathers will it’s important even though we know Jesus is God , his time in the flesh is different and very important that he did that part endured temptation and yet never succomed and sinned

“As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s really so important to our salvation both Jesus divinity and his humanity what he accomplished as a man on earth during the gospel is Christianity really overcoming temptation is one of those accomplishments


“But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:24-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But brother I respect your faith and view and appreciate your words always God bless

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Another good one;

Hebrews 2:17-18
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted

AMen that’s the scripture right there ! And the. for this purpose where all the glory of his plans come together

“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[posthuman]

Christ is the appointed time when God became a man though I think is something you are not considering for the purpose of subjecting himself to temptation of the flesh which is what got us

what do you make of this ?

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1-

I think you are hearing “Jesus was a sinner “ which is not what I’m saying your I think discounting that God became flesh , and flesh is what’s tempted any flesh can be tempted what makes it unholy is when temptation wins . If he wasn’t tempted the. He never actually lived as a man

there word is equivalently "tested" or "examined" -- look it up -- and context demands that He was not tempted, because He is God, and God cannot be tempted: He was examined. the Devil sought to tempt Him, but discovered it impossible.

i would sooner confess that my pagan language translation ((English)) of the scripture is inadequate than blaspheme.
you don't have to have a heart full of sin eager to be aroused in order to be a human.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

there word is equivalently "tested" or "examined" -- look it up -- and context demands that He was not tempted, because He is God, and God cannot be tempted: He was examined. the Devil sought to tempt Him, but discovered it impossible.

i would sooner confess that my pagan language translation ((English)) of the scripture is inadequate than blaspheme.
you don't have to have a heart full of sin eager to be aroused in order to be a human.

okay thanks for the discussion either way and God bless

 

[posthuman]

Jesus was struggling with carrying out Gods will

I dont think you understand how blasphemous it is for you to say that.

Christ is God. There is never a time when He is not God. God does not have trouble or trepidation carrying out His will.
You should read the Bible with the thought that He is God. You won't understand it correctly when you don't. You'll fall into all kinds of errors of interpretation like 'the LORD God Almighty was afraid and doubting & almost couldn't handle it.'

 

[DeanM]

A single man lusting after a single woman. Adultery or fornication in his heart?

 

[Blik]

To understand sex is at the center of understanding God. It is one of the very first things that God created as Genesis tells us of creation.

As our world has pulled away from being led by God's teaching, it is a distortion of sex that is a major indication of being led by the flesh. Now people are not described as beautiful, but as being sexy. Clothes are to show as much of the body as possible without being naked.

God designed our world to be based on the family, and that family was to be a secure safe place. Sex united it, it was of a man and a woman. They made communities, Communities made cities, cities made nations. By using a distortion of sex, it is undermining our world.

No marriage today is a safe place to be.

 

[Blade]

I’ve brought this up in a couple of threads but I feel it needs its own. Many like to quote this verse,

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
At face value it condemns the instinctive desire to procreate. I accepted Christ as Lord during my engagement to my wife. At 22 years old, as a babe in Christ, porn addict, I assure you I felt the guilt of this verse. There are many tricks like classic conditioning, keeping a rubber band on my wrist to snap if I looked too long or too directly at a woman’s curves. I struggled with and still struggle to keep my eyes from temptation and thoughts pure.

This post is for the highly sexually driven males (and females) who are convicted by taken this verse at face value. It is damning, this verse accusing us of a capital crime, or is it? About ten years ago I started translating the words seeking truer context. When I found out “woman” in this verse more often means “wife”. Did Christ say “You were told not to commit adultery, but I say unto you whosoever looketh on a wife (someone married to another man) to lust after her hath committed adultery already in his heart.”?
To me this makes way more sense. Sex was not discouraged in the OT. I would argue that neither should be lust. If you could have many wives and concubines legally why would it make sense lust is equal to murder? It doesn’t. Adultery is equal. Lusting after another man’s wife is adulterous, not merely being attracted to a beautiful girl.

If someone just looks at a woman/man and then lusts.. its adultery. I'm only guessing but married or not I don't think they would like anyone Justing, picturing all kind of things about them.. ..its adultery and creepy. That guilt is just another thing Christ did die for. He does not ever make us feel guilty or condemn us.

In also searching the word does mean woman can also mean wife so forth so on. In over 25 different versions of the word not one ever says "wife". Its wrong period. As if just making up some person in our mind is ok? No..never.

You do know one can look at a woman/man even think.. WOW he/she is hot and never have one lustful thought. Just bind it in JESUS Name if that happens and STOP looking lol. Theres more to this.. its not just some simple thought and it is NOT something anyone can control. It will at some point control you.