Should we forgive adam and eve

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Should we forgive adam and eves sin

  • yes

    Votes: 14 82.4%

  • no

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Total voters
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Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

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soberxp said:
I think it's strange that God orders women and Satan are enemies of each other.
Jesus teachs us love your enemy. So........If you love your enemy, why throw them into lake of fire
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Obviously you do not understand the seriousness of Lucifer's rebellion and his constant opposition to God and Christ, and all that is evil.

Satan is the embodiment of evil and is responsible (directly or indirectly) for every atrocity committed on earth. As well as leading away into rebellion one third of the angels in Heaven. Add it all up and it is beyond measure.

This has nothing to do with loving your enemy, but everything to do with divine judgment on unrepentant evildoers.
 
de-emerald

de-emerald

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SophieT said:
whaaaa? cannot frame a reference to any post I made....
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OOPS sorry sophie lol ,i wasnt quoting you. for some reason and i dont know why you where there too lol. ps i have no quarrels with you what so ever. infact ive read through hundreds of your posts and i really love your humour and honesty. peace to you sister
 
Roughsoul1991

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de-emerald said:
I think it does have everything to do with us today and i think it does matter whether we forgive them or not. our opinion is never pointless on the subject of forgiveness.
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Alright. It changes nothing. I personally do not see the relevance in less you are just speaking on forgiveness in general then sure if you for some reason have contempt in your heart for Adam and Eve, people you have never met or knew to even judge them then sure you probably should forgive. I personally just think it is a silly thing to allow the sin of Adam and Eve to affect you est 10,000 years later.
 
de-emerald

de-emerald

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Nehemiah6 said:
Adam and Eve do not need forgiveness from humanity and there is nothing in the Bible to even hint at this.
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sorry i disagree with you.
Not to say that you should forgive them straight away as its probably a question youve not been asked befor. Its a question that requires some soul searching.
1 if God has forgiven them so should we.there are hints to suggest God did forgive them.
2 Adam and eve where decieved by satan, another reason we should forgive them.
3 The bible in romans clearly points to the fact that there sin effected every one of us and all mankind inherited a sinful nature, which is a tresspass against each and everyone of us.
4 The lords prayer teaches us we should forgive people who tresspass against us.
5 we are born with a sinfull nature. as a result of adam and eve.
6 Where free from condemnation if we forgive adam and eve.(quite a big one because satan would not want us to forgive adam and eve.

But still after all that ive wrote here Gods love is unconditional and we can still disagree here and ultimately its your choice if you want to forgive adam and eve. but so far 8 people have forgiven adam and eve and only one hasnt. in the pole question
 
de-emerald

de-emerald

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Alright. It changes nothing. I personally do not see the relevance in less you are just speaking on forgiveness in general then sure if you for some reason have contempt in your heart for Adam and Eve, people you have never met or knew to even judge them then sure you probably should forgive. I personally just think it is a silly thing to allow the sin of Adam and Eve to affect you est 10,000 years later.
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Its not that i should let it bother me. It clearly has because we have all inherited a sinful nature.
this in no means means that i have resentment for adam and eve. but i feal many do blame adam and eve for the fall of mankind. I dont i blame satan. but your wrong to say that thier sin does not effect mankind some 7 thousand years lately because romans tell us diffrently.
 
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SophieT

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de-emerald said:
OOPS sorry sophie lol ,i wasnt quoting you. for some reason and i dont know why you where there too lol. ps i have no quarrels with you what so ever. infact ive read through hundreds of your posts and i really love your humour and honesty. peace to you sister
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oh no problem. I just did not understand ... I wasn't angry, just puzzled. Hundreds of my posts? musta been an awful long day ;)
 
de-emerald

de-emerald

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tourist said:
I really can't see how Adam and Eve trespassed against me but if they had I certainly would forgive them.
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because befor you accepted Jesus as your lord and saviour you inherited a sinfull nature passed down from adam and eve. all tho i highly suspect the sinful nature was from satan if i was to get really deep. i have a fealing satan corrupted the tree of knowledge,
 
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Runningman

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de-emerald said:
Like i said the lords prayer says forgive those who tresspass against you, which is unconditional. because the lords prayer doesnt say you have to recieve repentance first which is conditional.
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Which one of those teach indiscriminate forgiveness? I'm not trying to lean in favor of unforgiveness, just to be clear. What does the Bible actually say, though?

Matthew 6:9-15
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 18:15-17
15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Luke 17:3-4
3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
 
de-emerald

de-emerald

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Runningman said:
Which one of those teach indiscriminate forgiveness? I'm not trying to lean in favor of unforgiveness, just to be clear. What does the Bible actually say, though?

Matthew 6:9-15
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 18:15-17
15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Luke 17:3-4
3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
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every single passage is unconditional because its upto you, I will say that if a brother asks you for forgiveness you should have been willing to forgive him anyway befor he even asked.
 
crossnote

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Although, who are we to forgive A&E?
God already had in Gen 3.
 
soberxp

soberxp

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Nehemiah6 said:
Obviously you do not understand the seriousness of Lucifer's rebellion and his constant opposition to God and Christ, and all that is evil.

Satan is the embodiment of evil and is responsible (directly or indirectly) for every atrocity committed on earth. As well as leading away into rebellion one third of the angels in Heaven. Add it all up and it is beyond measure.

This has nothing to do with loving your enemy, but everything to do with divine judgment on unrepentant evildoers.
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The story of Lucifer was made by man, I believe in Enoch book.angels who falls in love with The daughters of men
 
Nehemiah6

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soberxp said:
The story of Lucifer was made by man,
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Well the "story" of Lucifer is right there in the Bible. How else can you explain the existence and ambition of Satan?
 
soberxp

soberxp

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Nehemiah6 said:
Well the "story" of Lucifer is right there in the Bible. How else can you explain the existence and ambition of Satan?
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I've never heard of it in the bible for sure
 
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