Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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hmm... why a virgin birth?
not necessirily virgin birth . just no semen involved . so the antichrist will be without the sin nature of man and will not attract the wrath of God when he seats in the temple at JERUSALEM to come .
 

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not necessirily virgin birth . just no semen involved . so the antichrist will be without the sin nature of man and will not attract the wrath of God when he seats in the temple at JERUSALEM to come .
From where do you get this idea?
 
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So in particular I wanted to look at this statement:

"Ever wonder why the 7th Seal is in chapter 8 AFTER the 144,000 are protected (3-5 million Jews) by God in Petra/Bozrah for 42 months? Because this is the coming DAY OF THE LORD Event. The Seals actually DO NOTHING, they are Jesus prophesying (like Joel did) what would come when this asteroid finally hits the earth."

There were 2 things in particular that perplexed me.

1. The 144,000 (3-5 million Jews)
2. Bozrah

144,000 (3-5 million Jews) Why only Jews?
Bozrah today is what? Jordan? A muslim nation. Not the most obnoxious muslim nation, but muslim nonetheless.

So, judgment has come to Idumea.
Bozah as a geographical locale is not a safe haven for Jews. However, Bozrah as a spiritual construct is: Bozrah = sheepfold or fortress. A fortress is defended and the sheepfold of the good shepherd is certainly defended.

Now, Jeremiah prophesied against Bozrah and through Jeremiah the Lord has told us that Bozrah is a perpetual waste.

Jer 49:13
For I have sworn by myself, saith the LORD, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities thereof shall be perpetual wastes.

and

Amo 1:12
But I will send a fire upon Teman, which shall devour the palaces of Bozrah.


Absolutely damning. So, I don't foresee 3-5 millions Jews emigrating to Jordan any time soon.

Looking at Bozrah as a spiritual construct. Let's go back to Prophet Isaiah.

Isa 34:6
The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Compare and contrast Bozrah with Idumea. There is sacrifice/great slaughter made in the land of Idumea, the sacrifice is in Bozrah. Could that sacrifice be the Lord Jesus, or us and our shepherd defending his flock in Bozrah the sheepfold by sacrificing by the sword in Edom and Moab? Is that the protection of these 3-5 million Jews you speak of?

Let's look further.

Isa 63:1
Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

I believe the red stained garment is of the devil who's slaughtered many innocents in the place they thought they were safe, in the apostate churches.

But, there is a connection being made to Bozrah again. But as we read further in Isaiah 63 we see that the Lord is the only one that has trodden in the winepress and stained his raiment. (Isa 63:2-3) Pertaining to his great slaughter sacrifice he makes for his flock safe in Bozrah.

Let's look more at Jeremiah.

Jer 49:22
Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.

Safety under the wings in Bozrah, destruction in Edom.

Let's fast forward to Micah because here is the spiritual construct and the spiritual dots that connect all these passages to Bozrah.

Mic 2:12
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

Bozrah = sheepfold. I don't believe the remnant of Israel is comprised of only Jews. I believe it's all the saved souls Jesus made sacrifice for.

Then finally:

Mic 2:13
The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their king shall pass before them, and the LORD on the head of them.

I believe the "breaker" above is the Lord Jesus rescuing his people from the strongholds and palaces, broken or "busted" them out and caused them to "pass through the gate (Jesus is a door or a gate) and gone out to pasture with their King before them (flock following their true King, the Lord Jesus) and resting in their place with their shepherd, Jesus, at their head. (Bozrah.)

So, that's my take on Bozrah and the 3-5 million Jews that you describe in your post above.
 

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I haven't cited any contradictions. You perceive them as contradictions because you can't understand. The bible interprets itself.
Sure....Now, explain why we see Micheal, Gabriel, AND Jesus (Man in Linen) all three in the Daniel chapters 10-12 visions? You can't. You are in error. And I think my posts show who understands Prophecy and who doesn't. Pride is a terrible thng.
 
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Sure....Now, explain why we see Micheal, Gabriel, AND Jesus (Man in Linen) all three in the Daniel chapters 10-12 visions? You can't. You are in error. And I think my posts show who understands Prophecy and who doesn't. Pride is a terrible thng.
I didn't see that. I know the man in linen is present in a vision with Gabriel because Gabriel is identified. And I know there is the man in linen in another vision with 2 unidentified "others."

I don't see the vision at the evening oblation on the night of the morning when Daniel was praying as the same vision of him while with other people that were afraid and hid themselves at another location.

I agree. Pride is a terrible thing.
 
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I didn't see that. I know the man in linen is present in a vision with Gabriel because Gabriel is identified. And I know there is the man in linen in another vision with 2 unidentified "others."

I don't see the vision at the evening oblation on the night of the morning when Daniel was praying as the same vision of him while with other people that were afraid and hid themselves at another location.

I agree. Pride is a terrible thing.
Further, the "man in linen" is never identified as the Lord Jesus.
 
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Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

How long does THE BEAST RULE? 42-months right? 1260 days right? 3.5 years right?

How long do the 10 Kings rule with the Beast? ONE HOUR, which = 42 Months. Thus the ONE HOUR in Babylon (WHOLE WORLD) gets Judged is a period f 42 months of God's Wrath. You miss all the Symbology, then when I prove I am correct and you are in error, PRIDE kicks in and you deny what you know is true anyway.

If I tell you a Rooster dips snuff, look under his wings and you'll find the can partner.

[QUOTETruth7t7, post: 4565840, member: 297424"]I see the 10 horns representing the 10 kings of the lost tribes of Israel, they will be recognized in the future as tribal rulers quickly by the Beast, they being orthodox Jews who hate Liberal Jerusalem, will give their authority and consent to burn Jerusalem the whore with fire[/QUOTE]


Daniel 7:v.7- 8 CJB say:

7 After this, I looked in the night visions; and there before me was a fourth animal, dreadful, horrible, extremely strong, and with great iron teeth. It devoured, crushed and stamped its feet on what was left. It was different from all the animals that had gone before it, and it had ten (10) horns.

8 “While I was considering the (10) horns, another horn sprang up among them (11th), a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. In this horn (11th horn) were eyes like human eyes (he is a Master of Torah) and a mouth speaking arrogantly.
(Very interesting these details) ---> The fourth huge biblical kingdom swallows - PLUCKED - the third kingdom and everything that's left from the first and second kingdoms BY THE ROOTS. But who or what is this 11th horn which sprang up among the ten(10) horns? Its no easy to understand, but hard.

The headquarter of the fourth kingdom was is Rome. The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire that conquered the third kingdom (leopard) in 146 BC, and later conquered or captured Jerusalem, in 63 BC, and constituted Herod, a Roman vassal king, as ruler of the Land of Israel, from 63 to 4B.C., Israel even under the roman dominion, Jerusalem Temple is renovated.

BIRTH OF JESUS-the promised Messiah - Fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.24

God sent/sends JESUS and establishes the second covenant, for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting Justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. Simultaneously, GOD sent/sends Elyjah: Matt.11:12-15-CJB:

- 30 to 33 Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth after 69 weeks.

JESUS is killed. JESUS is crucified. Fulfilment of Dan.9:v.26-C J B:
26 - Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach (Messiah) will be cut off and have nothing.



The Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD was being preached in the world in the first century after Christ, and the world was being shaken by the Power of God through the preaching of the Gospel, and beginning to trouble even the Roman Empire. The believers in JESUS increased every day forming evangelical communities, and Churches were formed within the Roman Empire, among them the Church of Rome. Paul the Apostle writing to the Church of Rome or to the Romans, said: Rom.1:v.13-
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- Brothers, I want you to know that although I have been prevented from visiting you until now, I have often planned to do so, in order that I might have some fruit among you, just as I have among the other Gentiles.

The Jews who attended Church services in Rome troubled the brethren with their theories and discussions of the Mosaic cult, and Paul in his epistle said that he was being barred from visiting the brethren of the Church in Rome-Rom.1:v.13. In chapter 2 Paul speaks harshly to the Jews, especially in verses 17 to 29.

In fact, it was the embryo of an apostate movement being born in the Church of Rome through apostate Jews, an embryo of Antichrist within the Church of Rome. John in his universal epistle said: 1 John 2:v.18-19:

18 Children, this is the Last Hour. You have heard that an Anti-Messiah is coming; and in fact, many anti-Messiahs have arisen now — which is how we know that this is the Last Hour. 19 They went out from us, but they weren’t part of us; for had they been part of us, they would have remained with us.

From this apostate, corrupt and satanic environment that began to form and grew in the Church of Rome, led and developed by Jews and other allies in the Church of Rome, the church that was once the Lord's has since now become the throne of Satan, and the Catholic Church was created, later, ROMAN CATHOLIC Church, linked with the demonic government of the Roman Empire that shook, began to persecute believers, even the Apostle Paul was murdered, and also Peter, among many others.

Israel is linked exclusively to 10 tribes, and they are linked with the Roman Catholic Church since the fundation of the Church of Rome within the TERRIBLE fourth kingdom of Roman Empire, even until the current time, they are allied, but they do not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


Daniel 2:v.40-43 CJB says:

40 The fourth kingdom will be as strong as iron. Iron can break anything into pieces, pulverize it and crush it. So just as iron can crush anything, this kingdom will break the other kingdoms into pieces and crush them.

41 Finally, you saw the feet and toes (10 toes of clay/iron - Israel - 10 tribes) made partly of pottery clay and partly of iron; this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the firmness of iron, since you saw the iron mixed with clay from the ground.

42 Just as the toes of the feet (10 toes of clay/iron - Israel - 10 tribes) were part iron and part clay, this KINGDOM will be partly strong and partly brittle. <--- From this alliance of the kingdom between Gentiles(iron-fourth kingdom) and Israel -Jewish people - (the clay) yeah, from this alliance raises up out the little horn, the 11th horn, who is the Man Beast of the earth like a lamb with two horns-Revelation 13:v.11-, symbol of two kingdoms of Israel.

43 You saw the iron mixed with clay; that means that they will cement their alliances by intermarriages; but they won’t stick together any more than iron blends with clay.

The Man Beast - Little horn - will manifest himself in near future, he was born decades ago and are walking among the people of Israel in the current time or in this moment.
 
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Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew

Right.
 

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Some say his appearance is still in the future. Others say he appeared long ago in the days of ancient Rome. But the Bible indicates that he is alive today! Bible prophecies teach that this antichrist power will play a crucial role in the final events of earth’s history.

Prove from Scripture when this power lives??
 

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Dan 7.
Do you agree that Dan 7 is a repeat and expansion of Dan 2?
That the 4 beasts are 4 kingdoms?

“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).

Babylon
Medo- Persia
Greece
Rome.

Dan 8 give even more info and even names some of these empires.

prove me wrong if this is untrue, please show me how this is not the prophesy of Dan 7. because the next point is crucial to identifying the antichrist.
 

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The 4th beast of Dan 7 is the Romam Empire.
The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41–44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman Empire and carved out land niches for their people. Seven of those 10 tribes developed into the countries of modern Western Europe, while three were “uprooted” and destroyed.

Visigoths - Spain
Anglo-Saxons - England
Franks - France
Alemani - Germany
Burgundians - Switzerland
Lombards - Italy
Suevi - Portugal
Heruli - Rooted up
Ostrogoths - Rooted up
Vandals - Rooted up

The little horn of Daniel 7:8 represents Antichrist.

“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8).

The “little horn” power appears at this time in History. We must identify it carefully because the biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.
 

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God’s Word gives us nine characteristics of the antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some might find these truths painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will.

Nine points from Dan 7...

A. The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.
=The geographical location of the papal power is in Rome, Italy—in the heart of Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8).
=The papacy meets this identifying mark because it does have one man at the head—the pope—who speaks for it.

C. It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8).
=The emperors of Western Europe were largely Catholic and supported the papacy. Three Arian kingdoms, however, did not—the Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths.
Dr. Mervyn Maxwell describes the results in volume 1, page 129, of his book God Cares: “The Catholic emperor Zeno (474–491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487, which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527–565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel’s three horns—the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths—‘plucked up by the roots.’ ”
The papacy fits this point.

D. It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).
=The papacy clearly fits this description, as it came on the scene as a religious power and was different from the secular nature of the other 10 kingdoms.

E. It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).
=It is a well-known fact that the church did persecute Christians, and the papacy admits doing so. Historians believe the church destroyed at least 50 million lives over matters of religious conviction. Two sources below:

1. “That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history.” (W. E. H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Volume 2, 40.)
2. In The History of the Inquisition of Spain, D. Ivan Antonio Llorente provides these figures from the Spanish Inquisition alone: “31,912 persons were condemned and perished in the flames,” and 241,450 were “condemned to severe “penances.”

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8).
= “The mighty Catholic Church was little more than the Roman Empire baptized. ... The very capital of the old Roman Empire became the capital of the Christian empire. The office of Pontifex Maximus was continued in that of the pope.”(Alexander Clarence Flick, The Rise of the Medieval Church, 148, 149.)

G. God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).
Time = 1 year
Times = 2 years
½ time = ½ year
The Amplified Bible translates it: “Three and one-half years.”
This same time period is mentioned seven times in the books of Daniel and Revelation (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5): three times as a “time, times, and half a time”; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3½ years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).
Thus, the little horn (antichrist) was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days; that is, 1,260 literal years.
=The rule of the papacy began in ad 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today.

H. It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”
=Blasphemy has two definitions in Scripture: 1. Claiming to forgive sins (Luke 5:21). 2. Claiming to be God (John 10:33).

Does this point fit the papacy? Yes.

I. It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).
=The Amplified Bible translates “law” as “the law.” The reference is to changing God’s law. Of course, no one can really change it, but has the papacy attempted to do so? The answer is yes. In its catechisms, the papacy has omitted the second commandment against veneration of images and has shortened the fourth commandment from 94 words to 8 and divided the tenth commandment into two commandments. The times that God set up have been Changed too.

"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
"I have repeatedly offered $1000 to any one who can furnish any proof from the Bible that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep...The Bible says, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy,” but the Catholic Church says, “No, keep the first day of the week,” and the whole world bows in obedience." Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, lecture at Hartford, KS, Feb 18, 1884:

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy.

There is no doubt that the little horn power (the antichrist) of Daniel 7 is the papacy. No other organization fits all nine points. And, incidentally, this is not a new teaching. Every Protestant Reformer, without exception, spoke of the papacy as antichrist.
 
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Very interesting and impressive interpretations. Instinctively, I always thought Roman Catholic church was implicated, but it's always just seemed too easy a "suspect" for everything. And then so is islam. There are a lot of bad guys out there.

But, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I know in the end of the Book of Daniel, he said he had perfect understanding.
 
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And what about Allah? And is there any other religion (so-called) that regards women less? Not even the Catholic church. Women are very, very influential in that particular faith. Just pondering out loud.
 
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The 4th beast of Dan 7 is the Romam Empire.
The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41–44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman Empire and carved out land niches for their people. Seven of those 10 tribes developed into the countries of modern Western Europe, while three were “uprooted” and destroyed.

Visigoths - Spain
Anglo-Saxons - England
Franks - France
Alemani - Germany
Burgundians - Switzerland
Lombards - Italy
Suevi - Portugal
Heruli - Rooted up
Ostrogoths - Rooted up
Vandals - Rooted up

The little horn of Daniel 7:8 represents Antichrist.

“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8).

The “little horn” power appears at this time in History. We must identify it carefully because the biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.
A timely word. Bravo.
I've never been convinced about the 10 nations....
Portugal was only created in 868 for instance.
And the tribal allocations are a bit suspect. England was a Celtic nation in 538
 
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The Blasphemy and law breaking is replete throughout the Justinian Codex.

E.G. This edict contravenes Christ's mandate to preach the Word in the highways and by-ways, and contravenes the
Law of Priesthood - i.E. all Christians are priests

No one, whether he belongs to the clergy, the army, or to any other condition of men, shall, with a view to causing a tumult and giving occasion to treachery, attempt to discuss the Christian religion publicly in the presence of an assembled and listening crowd; for he commits an injury against the most reverend Synod who publicly contradicts what has once been decided and properly established; as those matters relative to the Christian Faith have been settled by the priests who met at Chalcedony by Our order, and are known to be in conformity with the apostolic explanations and conclusions of the three hundred and eight Holy Fathers assembled in Nicea, and the hundred and fifty who met in this Imperial City; for the violators of this law shall not go unpunished, because they not only oppose the true faith, but they also profane its venerated mysteries by engaging in contests of this kind with Jews and Pagans. Therefore, if any person who has ventured to publicly discuss religious matters is a member of the clergy, he shall be removed from his order; if he is a member of the army, he shall be degraded; and any others who are guilty of this offence, who are freemen, shall be banished from this most Sacred City, and shall be subjected to the punishment prescribed by law according to the power of the court; and if they are slaves, they shall undergo the severest penalty.
 

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The anti Christ cannot be a Pope. Every Pope has believed the Messiah was Jesus.
And how do you know what was in their hearts?

https://www.livescience.com/8606-7-unholy-pope-scandals.html

The "Patrologia Latina," a collection of the writings by church leaders, lists the charges made against [Pope] John XII, including that he invoked demons, murdered and mutilated men, committed arson and gambled, according to "A History of the Church in the Middle Ages" (Psychology Press, 2002). The church leaders also claimed that he “turned the papal palace into a whorehouse” by committing adultery with numerous women, including two widows and his own niece, as well as his father's long-term girlfriend.

Pope Leo X not only allowed, but encouraged worshippers to pay for their sins – literally. The corrupt religious leader was fond of putting prices on others' sins and requiring them to give him money in return for absolving their wrongdoings. Threatening that their souls would not be able to enter heaven if they didn't pay up, Leo X set sinner fines for crimes such as murder, incest and theft, "Pope Leo X: Opponent of the Reformation"
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And to Clarify, I am not saying the anti-chist is a single pope. I am saying the anti-christ is the office of the pope.
 

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Daniel 7:v.7- 8 CJB say:

7 After this, I looked in the night visions; and there before me was a fourth animal, dreadful, horrible, extremely strong, and with great iron teeth. It devoured, crushed and stamped its feet on what was left. It was different from all the animals that had gone before it, and it had ten (10) horns.

8 “While I was considering the (10) horns, another horn sprang up among them (11th), a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. In this horn (11th horn) were eyes like human eyes (he is a Master of Torah) and a mouth speaking arrogantly.
(Very interesting these details) ---> The fourth huge biblical kingdom swallows - PLUCKED - the third kingdom and everything that's left from the first and second kingdoms BY THE ROOTS. But who or what is this 11th horn which sprang up among the ten(10) horns? Its no easy to understand, but hard.
The Anti-Christ arises out of Europe. The 10 horns (toes) are a DIVIDED Europe which could never cleave unto one another after Rome received the Mortal Wound (fell apart) as told in Rev. 13. and that wound comes via the Church with the Holy Spirit guiding us, the gates of hell shall not overcome my Church (Jesus said that......thus we were the mortal wound, we turned Rome from a Beast unto a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ). Satans plans were put on hold via the Beasts conquering Israel. God gave the mantel over to the Gentiles, thus Satan couldn't kill off God's plans and word now by only doing away with the Jews. The Gentiles were now on the God train, this threw a kink in Satan's plans. His Beast kingdom people were now disciples of God.

10 always stands for completeness, as does 7, and 12 stands for fulness. Thus the 10 kins simply means ALL Europe, not 10. Just like in Rev. 2:10 the church of Smyrna was told they would have tribulation 10 days, but that simply means for the complete Church Age period. The 10 Commandments are a stand-in for all God's laws. The 10 Virgins represent ALL Christendom at the Rapture, so 5 virgins ain't making the wedding, which tells me out of 2 billion so-called Christians, God sees 1 billion of them as fakes. As in depart from me for I never knew you, then during the tribulation they can be redeemed by laying down their lives for Christ. The 10,000 times 10,000 simply means all of God's hosts of heaven will return with him, as will us saints. The 144,000 is another way God uses numbers. 12 (FULNESS) x 12 x 10 (COMPLETENESS) x 10 x 10 = 144,000 which simply means ALL Isreal whom repent, not every Jew. And via Zechariah 13:8-9 we know that is 3-5 million Jews (1/3) don't we?

So, 10 means COMPLETENESS, not 10. It means all of these Nations that made up the Roman Empires Base (Europe) and the Nations she once conquered (Whole Mediterranean Sea Basin). Thus this now makes more sense, the E.U. Conquers (Daniel 11:40-43) the entire Mediterranean Sea Region, and THE MANY they have Agreements with now(as we speak) make up THE MANY as seen in Dan. 8:25, 9:27, and in Dan. 11:40-43 it is not only Israel but Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Libya, and Algeria.

Below are the Nations the European Union (Royal Blue) has 7-year agreements with via the European Neighborhood Policy. The Nations in light blue are called the Eastern front nations, the nations in Orange are called the Southern front nations.

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European Neighbourhood Policy


The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. The countries covered include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South and Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine in the East.

The EU typically concludes Association Agreements in exchange for commitments to political, economic, trade, or human rights reform in a country. In exchange, the country may be offered tariff-ree access to some or all EU markets (CARROT & STICK approach.)
On 25 May 2011, the European Commission launched what it described as a new and ambitious European Neighbourhood Policy,[2] backed by more than €1.2 billion in new funding, bringing the total to almost €7 billion

Funding: from the ENPI to ENI

Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, are the two main principles underlying the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014. It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programmes. The ENI, effective from 2014 to 2020, replaces the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.

NOTICE: These Agreements run from 2007-2013 (7 years) and from 2014-2020 (7 years also). It's not an Agreement with just Israel, it's an Agreement (Covenant in Hebrew simply means AGREEMENT) with MANY as Daniel 9:27 clearly says.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The European Union has AGREEMENTS with MANY Nations, not just Israel. This is why he DESTROYS MANY by peace.

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

MANY Nations and peoples, not just Israel.

And the final proof of this is shown in Daniel 11:4043 via who the Anti-Christ conquers, and who he s not allowed to conquer !!

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ born in Greece, who comes to power in the E.U.) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. (He goes through Syria, Lebanon and Jordan to get to Israel.)

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and MANY COUNTRIES shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. (Edom, Moab, and Ammon just so happen to be where the Jews will flee unto, or the Petra/Borah area in the Central/Southern Mountaunious regions of Jordan. The A.C. is NOT ALLOWED to conquer them.)

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

So, THE MANY are quite evident when looked at via a magnifying glass, they are the WHOLE Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus the reason the 10 come out of the Fourth Beasts head is quite clear, the Old Roman Empie on a map, looks exactly like the current European Union on a map, AFTER they have conquered all of those nations mentioned in Dan. 11:40-43, via the European Neighborhood Policy Map we see above. (The 7-year agreements are IN PLACE, the Anti-Christ simply CONFIRMS the Agreements with his own timestamp so to speak. He puts his own demands on these nations, after many years of being on the doll, they get used to the monies. Israel so wants to be in the E.U. because they see it like an Idaho or Hawaii under the USA, they're only protected because they are part of the collective USA. They want that, they currently play in the Euro Leagues in Soccer (Football). They have leaders who will eventually give in to these demands via their weaponry. Mark my word. Israel has Nukes, they can't be attacked unless they give them up. In moves, the liberals out goes the Nukes. WATCH !!

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The Anti-Christ will be a leader of the European Union, born in Greece, with Turkish (Assyrian) blood. He will conquer THE MANY not just Israel, (therein a lot of people misdiagnose him as being "ACCEPTED as the Jewish Messiah, that never happens). By the time he conquers the Dan. 11:40-43 nations, he will be over the whole Mediterranean Sea Basin just like the Roman Empire was. None of the other Beasts covered the whole Mediterranean Coastline. Thus he looks just like papa (arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head.)
 

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So in particular I wanted to look at this statement:

"Ever wonder why the 7th Seal is in chapter 8 AFTER the 144,000 are protected (3-5 million Jews) by God in Petra/Bozrah for 42 months? Because this is the coming DAY OF THE LORD Event. The Seals actually DO NOTHING, they are Jesus prophesying (like Joel did) what would come when this asteroid finally hits the earth."

There were 2 things in particular that perplexed me.

1. The 144,000 (3-5 million Jews)
2. Bozrah

144,000 (3-5 million Jews) Why only Jews?
Bozrah today is what? Jordan? A muslim nation. Not the most obnoxious muslim nation, but muslim nonetheless.
Because just like the New Jerusalem 144,000 measurement it's a STAND IN for All Israel, or in that case ALL or the COMPLETE New Jerusalem. The number 12 = fullness and 10 = completeness, thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 is God shouting ALL Israel who repent. Zechariah 13:8-9 tells us how many Jews repent (KNOWLEDGE COMES WITH TIME PASSED) and its 1/3 of the Jews wh repent, and 2/3 who do not repent and perish. Then one verse later (Zechariah 14:1) we are told the Day of the Lord (1260 event) has arrived. Thus the Jews repent BEFORE the DOTL and flee unto the Petra/Bozrah area where Jesus told them to flee (unto the Mountains) as they see the AoD as placed at the 1290 event.
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Bozrah is more correct than Petra which everyone cites. So I use both Petra/Bozrah, it's the full mountainous area where Jesus tells them to flee, not just unto Petra.

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

The whole region to the east and south of Jerusalem is mountainous.

Let's look further.

Isa 63:1
Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

I believe the red stained garment is of the devil who's slaughtered many innocents in the place they thought they were safe, in the apostate churches.

But, there is a connection being made to Bozrah again. But as we read further in Isaiah 63 we see that the Lord is the only one that has trodden in the winepress and stained his raiment. (Isa 63:2-3) Pertaining to his great slaughter sacrifice he makes for his flock safe in Bozrah.
The above is Jesus Christ, ask anyone in the world. He is shown as going through Bozrah to GATHER the Wheat into the Barn, although it's prose, he does come from the Eastern Skies, so he comes to land in Jerusalem from that area. I don't think he gathers the Jews and Bozrah and brings them with him, I think that's symbolic.

Who do you think TRODDENS the Wine-press of not God?
Mic 2:12
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

Bozrah = sheepfold. I don't believe the remnant of Israel is comprised of only Jews. I believe it's all the saved souls Jesus made sacrifice for.

Then finally:

Mic 2:13
The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their king shall pass before them, and the LORD on the head of them.

I believe the "breaker" above is the Lord Jesus rescuing his people from the strongholds and palaces, broken or "busted" them out and caused them to "pass through the gate (Jesus is a door or a gate) and gone out to pasture with their King before them (flock following their true King, the Lord Jesus) and resting in their place with their shepherd, Jesus, at their head. (Bozrah.)
Bozrah is created in the shape of the perfect SHEEP FOLD, go study it. And the Church is in Heaven, not on earth, you would know these answers if you got the Rapture correct. Israel are the only people protected by God during the 70th-week tribulation.
 

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Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew

Right.
Some say his appearance is still in the future. Others say he appeared long ago in the days of ancient Rome. But the Bible indicates that he is alive today!
Yes, he is alive today, but he has not manifest himself yet, right? It is evident that he was born decades ago, we are living in the climax of prophecy. He will manifest himself soon, think it can be along more some months, his appearance is near surely. Who is him?

Well, there will be
two strong and powerful Beasts in near future:

(1)
The Man Beast of sea ; -
He is described in Revelation 13:v.1 to 10

(2) The Man Beast of earth;
he is described in Revelation 13:v.11-18 - he is like a lamb, who has two horns, and he spake as a dragon.-

(1) The
Beast of sea: sea means waters, and waters mean Peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues (peoples of all tongues) - Revelation 17:v.15

(2)
Beast of the earth like a lamb (a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR - John 5:v.43-47), and he speaks as a dragon, actually a ruthless false messiah, his two horns represent two kingdoms: the Kingdom of Judah (2 tribes), and the Kingdom of Israel (10 tribes), Israel is the clay in Daniel 2. He will manifest himself soon,


even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders-2Thess.2:v.9 combined with Revelation 13:v.13-14. Check it out.

And the MAN Beast of the earth will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:v.4

Be careful and get ready.