Has once saved allways saved got this right

[de-emerald]

Was Eve possessed by a demon, or simply believed their lies? You dont have to be demon possessed to sin.

Good question i dont know i wasnt there. but with my experience with demons anything is possible. she could have been.

 

[PaulNew]

Stop looking at the storm, or you will sink.

Keep your eyes on Jesus who is the email God sent us to tell us that He loves us.

Keep looking at Jesus and the rest will follow.

If you watch a Rocky movie you will want to box someone!

 

[de-emerald]

Stop looking at the storm, or you will sink.

Keep your eyes on Jesus who is the email God sent us to tell us that He loves us.

Keep looking at Jesus and the rest will follow.

If you watch a Rocky movie you will want to box someone!

Lol to right i would love to box satan tho, in a way i have boxed him all my life, you know he blows a lot of below the belt punches and you have to be prepared in advance to feal like carrying on living. i know im in fight for my life every day. as you are probably are and i love you to for your honesty.
Jesus was attacked by a more powerful demon the prince of darkness him self so when people say God lets people get tested by satan i just dont get it.
Im probably being attacked by a more powerful one because i know jesus is also fighting this bastard for me on a daily basis,
I Do Keep my eyes on Jesus everyday bro, its the only way i can keep sane.
Ill tell you how powerful this bastard is. it took a flash of lightening from the heavens to jolt that bastard right out of my body. It wasnt any normal bolt. It was a orange light that zigzagged all the way down from the sky it didnt give me an electrick shock but i did see see the bastard of all bastards expelled from my body. then the bastard of all bastards imeadiately tried to repossess me and right befor he did a nother bolt came from the sky and sent him flying 20 yards. lit him up and revealed him to me.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Once saved allways saved teaches a christian can never become possessed.
I believe other wise so lets look at the facts.

The issue boils down to a simple question: can a demon possess (indwell) a believer, who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit? The Bible makes no mention of any believer being demon possessed, or of a believer having a demon cast out.

I can't imagine any argument that the Holy Spirit would share residence with a demon. But anyone can take their best shot.

Lets not also go into works based salvation argument either. i am here to learn also.
How ever works are are a requirement and we should respect that fact.

You say you don't want to "go into works based salvation argument" but then you claim "works are a requirement". So I assume you mean works are a requirement for salvation.

Well, I can't let that pass. Jesus taught very clearly that those who believe HAVE (as in possess) eternal life in John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

Then Jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." in John 10:28.

So, the point is clear; those who believe are given eternal life, and they (recipients of eternal life) shall never perish.

Those who argue that works are a requirement for salvation are only trying to pit Scripture against Scripture. There are NO verses that actually teach that salvation is by works, or that works are a requirement for salvation.

I believe the power of the holy spirit can set a demon possessed person free from a living person. but as you know in scripture it warns us they can come back.

The question is: Does the Holy Spirit share dwelling with a demon? There is no evidence from Scripture that He would.

Jesus saved people when he rid people of a demon, but did they still needed a saviour for the rest of there life as he told them they can come back.

This assumes that a saved person can be possessed. There is no biblical evidence for it.

Does it mean you lose the holy spirit if you get reposessed by a demon or you havent been been saved in the first place.

Again, there is no evidence from Scripture that a saved person can be possessed by a demon. Further, the Holy Spirit's indwelling is permanent. Jesus said so in John 14:16 - And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

people who suffer denomic oppression or denomic possesion.

Demons can clearly influence believers, as the Bible says that the devil "deceives the whole world" and "leads the whole world astray". This would include believers, and 1 Peter 5:8 says "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." Demonic deception is obviously widespread.

My experince is denomic oppression for the unknowing person can do just as much harm as denomic possession to an individual. so why claim one is the lesser of the two evils. Both can make a person fall from grace on any given day. some christians believe that denomic possesion is more of an issue than denomic oppression. that denomic oppresion is no big deal.

No offense, but no one should base doctrinal truth on their own or other's experience. Only on the Bible.

I see that christians believe in once saved allways saved, but should that include not being reposessed.

The Bible never says that a saved person can be possessed by demons.

Once saved allways saved has the belief you can never lose the spirit. and you will allways be holy spirit filled.

You are half right, half wrong. The Bible teaches that the indwelling Holy Spirit is permanent, as I have shown above from John 14:16. Being indwelt and being filled are 2 separate things. All believers are indwelt with the Spirit, but only believers in fellowship can be filled.

Because as you know once you become saved you remain saved whilst the holy spirit cleanses you from sin every time you sin.

No. Only those who confess their sins are cleansed from them. 1 John 1:1-9.

Once saved allways saved also believes that you will still sin but remain saved.
So isnt that the same as you can be saved but still become possessed.

No, not even close.

In the bible as you know theese stones where on the breastplate of the priests and known to light up when they pray.ed theyve worked for me hundreds of times and i do mean hundreds.

Do you own one of the breastplates that ancient priests used?? Where did you get it? Why do you think there is any power in any stone?

I once had a dream i was taken to heaven where i met God whos eyes where shining in a beautiful blue sapphire. a light came into me that changed colour to silver zeblon and blue sapphire. ever since then i have been performing spiritual exorcism..
I feal ihave been given a gift.

Again, one's personal experience does not prove or affirm any doctrine. Only what the Bible says.

 

[de-emerald]

i can tell you that there the true appearance of demons is one ugly evil being body of human and a face of of a cross bewteen mokey and bear and cat with sharp teeth, the evil that is in there eyes is well lets just say you wouldnt want to eat your meal with one. because you would never digest it

its not the only time ive seen one be expelled from body by the light. sorry in advance where using the word bastard. but the word bastard is in the bible and the only true bastards in this world are demons.

lets praise God because one day he will defeat the lot of them. i know

 

[de-emerald]

The issue boils down to a simple question: can a demon possess (indwell) a believer, who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit? The Bible makes no mention of any believer being demon possessed, or of a believer having a demon cast out.

I can't imagine any argument that the Holy Spirit would share residence with a demon. But anyone can take their best shot.


You say you don't want to "go into works based salvation argument" but then you claim "works are a requirement". So I assume you mean works are a requirement for salvation.

Well, I can't let that pass. Jesus taught very clearly that those who believe HAVE (as in possess) eternal life in John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

Then Jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." in John 10:28.

So, the point is clear; those who believe are given eternal life, and they (recipients of eternal life) shall never perish.

Those who argue that works are a requirement for salvation are only trying to pit Scripture against Scripture. There are NO verses that actually teach that salvation is by works, or that works are a requirement for salvation.


The question is: Does the Holy Spirit share dwelling with a demon? There is no evidence from Scripture that He would.


This assumes that a saved person can be possessed. There is no biblical evidence for it.


Again, there is no evidence from Scripture that a saved person can be possessed by a demon. Further, the Holy Spirit's indwelling is permanent. Jesus said so in John 14:16 - And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—


Demons can clearly influence believers, as the Bible says that the devil "deceives the whole world" and "leads the whole world astray". This would include believers, and 1 Peter 5:8 says "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." Demonic deception is obviously widespread.


No offense, but no one should base doctrinal truth on their own or other's experience. Only on the Bible.


The Bible never says that a saved person can be possessed by demons.


You are half right, half wrong. The Bible teaches that the indwelling Holy Spirit is permanent, as I have shown above from John 14:16. Being indwelt and being filled are 2 separate things. All believers are indwelt with the Spirit, but only believers in fellowship can be filled.


No. Only those who confess their sins are cleansed from them. 1 John 1:1-9.


No, not even close.


Do you own one of the breastplates that ancient priests used?? Where did you get it? Why do you think there is any power in any stone?


Again, one's personal experience does not prove or affirm any doctrine. Only what the Bible says.

may the grace of god be with you for your concerns i wont answer you right away because i think you need help with compassion, so ill say this i hope you get over your unbelief soon and would advice you to read all of my thread for answers

ii would also advice you that your questions are not answers.

Further more i would like you to wait because your on the blame trail and assasanation trail of a person character.

further more i would advice you to have an open discussion and give people time for people to answer befor you nail ther coffin shut.

further more its satan you need to put in box and nail shut not christians.

further more i allready did supply biblical evidance.

 

[FreeGrace2]

may the grace of god be with you for your concerns i wont answer you right away because i think you need help with compassion,

Compassion doesn't mean agreeing with something that isn't taught in the Bible. I speak the truth in love. Sometimes it feels like tough love.

so ill say this i hope you get over your unbelief soon and would advice you to read all of my thread for answers

What exactly am I not believing? If you are referring to your experiences, why would I believe your experiences over what the Bible either says or doesn't say? The Bible teaches TRUTH. It does not teach UNTRUTH.

Reality for many people is only what they think, feel, or emote. And it isn't TRUTH. Satan has deceived many people, as the Bible says. So one's experiences do not make them true, from a biblical standpoint.

ii would also advice you that your questions are not answers.

You don't need to advise me on that. Obviously they aren't. I'm asking FOR answers. Do you have any?

Further more i would like you to wait because your on the blame trail and assasanation trail of a person character.

If you think this, you are just rather confused then. I haven't blamed you or anyone else for anything. And I certainly haven't even tried to assassinate your character.

further more i would advice you to have an open discussion and give people time for people to answer befor you nail ther coffin shut.

I'm not holding either a hammer or any nails. Your comments seem to be rather half cocked reactions.

further more its satan you need to put in box and nail shut not christians.

You think any human being could do that? You're just kidding yourself.

further more i allready did supply biblical evidance.

From the OP all I saw were your experiences. You gave no evidence that salvation requires works. Or that a saved person can be demon possessed.

You did give a lot of your personal experiences, though. But that isn't biblical doctrinal truth.

 

[FreeGrace2]

i can tell you that there the true appearance of demons is one ugly evil being body of human and a face of of a cross bewteen mokey and bear and cat with sharp teeth, the evil that is in there eyes is well lets just say you wouldnt want to eat your meal with one. because you would never digest it

Are you aware that the Bible records human encounters with angels and the humans viewed them as humans? In fact, the Bible even describes them as humans.

Here is one example, from Acts 1:
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Are you also aware that the Bible has NEVER recorded any demon sighting of "monster-like features", such as what you have described?

 

[de-emerald]

Compassion doesn't mean agreeing with something that isn't taught in the Bible. I speak the truth in love. Sometimes it feels like tough love.


What exactly am I not believing? If you are referring to your experiences, why would I believe your experiences over what the Bible either says or doesn't say? The Bible teaches TRUTH. It does not teach UNTRUTH.

Reality for many people is only what they think, feel, or emote. And it isn't TRUTH. Satan has deceived many people, as the Bible says. So one's experiences do not make them true, from a biblical standpoint.


You don't need to advise me on that. Obviously they aren't. I'm asking FOR answers. Do you have any?


If you think this, you are just rather confused then. I haven't blamed you or anyone else for anything. And I certainly haven't even tried to assassinate your character.


I'm not holding either a hammer or any nails. Your comments seem to be rather half cocked reactions.


You think any human being could do that? You're just kidding yourself.


From the OP all I saw were your experiences. You gave no evidence that salvation requires works. Or that a saved person can be demon possessed.

You did give a lot of your personal experiences, though. But that isn't biblical doctrinal truth.

well to me it looks your just another christians who has masterd the art of proving who isnt a christian. and also your comments quite clearly suggest that you have masterd the art in denying the truth. once again you have gone on the blame trail and i dont need to answer to you.

 

[de-emerald]

Are you aware that the Bible records human encounters with angels and the humans viewed them as humans? In fact, the Bible even describes them as humans.

Here is one example, from Acts 1:
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Are you also aware that the Bible has NEVER recorded any demon sighting of "monster-like features", such as what you have described?

are you aware the bible clearly makes reference demons can change apearance befor you go on yet another character assassination ?.

I am witness for the heavens my final quote to you but feal free to have your last word.

 

[FreeGrace2]

well to me it looks your just another christians who has masterd the art of proving who isnt a christian.

Are you insinuating that I'm not a Christian?

and also your comments quite clearly suggest that you have masterd the art in denying the truth.

Or do you mean YOUR "truth"?

once again you have gone on the blame trail and i dont need to answer to you.

Of course you don't have to answer to me. Or any other human being. You WILL answer directly to God.

 

[FreeGrace2]

are you aware the bible clearly makes reference demons can change apearance befor you go on yet another character assassination ?.

Of course you would have some actual Scriptural evidence. Right?

I am witness for the heavens my final quote to you but feal free to have your last word.

If you really are a "witness for the heavens", as you boast, you would of course have verses that support your claims.

I gave 2 verses that prove that salvation does NOT require works, the exact opposite of what was in the OP.

Whether you reply or not is of no consequence. I reply to counter unbiblical ideas. And many read these threads that never post. They are looking for information and answers, etc.

 

[de-emerald]

This is what ive found in this very senceitive matter i have raised.

1 by denying the truth that a christian can be possessed christians sadly and i must say sadly master the art in denying the truth.
This sadly puts the christian who is in harms way in great danger of losing his or her hope that is needed to cast out a demon.
This happens because theres no mention of temporary possession,
longer lasting possession and temporary possession is not explained well enough by christians.

Good phycology is needed such as suggesting to a christian ,you should try singing quietly singing the moment you start hearing unclean thoughts.
The advice should be if you carry on hearing unclean thoughts or thoughs as you sing quietly to your self a demon may be trying to consume you.

2 temporary possession can occur as a demon tries to consume a person.
temporal possession is brief the spirit fights for you and expells the demon.

temporary possession could be unclean thoughts being planted in a christian
temporary possession could be a shiver up your spine also temporary possesion could
be could be the unclean thoughts of a demon gettin a hold of a persons emotions.
tempory possesion becomes longer lasting if a person becomes unsober in the mind
or becomes weak in faith or does nothing to expell the thoughts as and when they arrive.
such as standing thier ground or standing firm in there fruits of the spirit, or singing or praying.

Renewing the mind daily is something Jesus does for us because temporary possession of unclean thoughts can lingers on and on cause the believer to become unsound in the mind. but we are also told that we have to act upon this and want to renew the mind daily. so that we have a chance in defeating spiritual denomic forces.

None of us can defeat demons if we dont take action the moment they strike.
Jesus gives us the authority to cast out demons but we need to act.
The trouble is not enough is taught on identifying.

As i asked in the beggining of this thread to please forgive me if my concerns may cause you annoyance, ill say it once again in sorry if my concerns have caused christians any pain here please forgive me. im fighting hatred everyday from demons and i need the love of christian to help me.

 

[FreeGrace2]

This is what ive found in this very senceitive matter i have raised.

1 by denying the truth that a christian can be possessed christians sadly and i must say sadly master the art in denying the truth.

Again, the problem is that this idea is only YOUR truth. Not biblical truth. You've provided NO evidence from the Bible that saved people can be demon possessed.

You haven't even tried to explain HOW the indwelling Holy Spirit would put up with a demon.

This sadly puts the christian who is in harms way in great danger of losing his or her hope that is needed to cast out a demon.
This happens because theres no mention of temporary possession,
longer lasting possession and temporary possession is not explained well enough by christians.

There is NO explanation in the Bible of Christians being demon possessed.

There IS clear explanation in the Bible of Christians being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and commands to be filled with the Spirit.

2 temporary possession can occur as a demon tries to consume a person.
temporal possession is brief the spirit fights for you and expells the demon.

There is NO biblical evidence for your ideas.

Renewing the mind daily is something Jesus does for us because temporary possession of unclean thoughts can lingers on and on cause the believer to become unsound in the mind.

Wrong again. The Bible commands believers to renew their minds. Rom 12:2 - Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

None of us can defeat demons if we dont take action the moment they strike.

Now you're contradicting yourself. You just said above that Jesus is the One who renews our minds. Please make up your mind.

Jesus gives us the authority to cast out demons but we need to act.

Scripture, please.

As i asked in the beggining of this thread to please forgive me if my concerns may cause you annoyance, ill say it once again in sorry if my concerns have caused christians any pain here please forgive me. im fighting hatred everyday from demons and i need the love of christian to help me.

What is actually needed is correct biblical understanding and wisdom.

Believers who keep their sins confessed for cleansing and asking for the filling of the Holy Spirt CANNOT be influenced by demons.

And, again, NO believer can be indwelt.

But I'm quite sure that Satan would love if every believer thought they could be possessed by demons. That idea would keep them off balance and ruin their walk with the Lord.

 

[Sipsey]

This is what ive found in this very senceitive matter i have raised.

1 by denying the truth that a christian can be possessed christians sadly and i must say sadly master the art in denying the truth.
This sadly puts the christian who is in harms way in great danger of losing his or her hope that is needed to cast out a demon.
This happens because theres no mention of temporary possession,
longer lasting possession and temporary possession is not explained well enough by christians.

Good phycology is needed such as suggesting to a christian ,you should try singing quietly singing the moment you start hearing unclean thoughts.
The advice should be if you carry on hearing unclean thoughts or thoughs as you sing quietly to your self a demon may be trying to consume you.

2 temporary possession can occur as a demon tries to consume a person.
temporal possession is brief the spirit fights for you and expells the demon.

temporary possession could be unclean thoughts being planted in a christian
temporary possession could be a shiver up your spine also temporary possesion could
be could be the unclean thoughts of a demon gettin a hold of a persons emotions.
tempory possesion becomes longer lasting if a person becomes unsober in the mind
or becomes weak in faith or does nothing to expell the thoughts as and when they arrive.
such as standing thier ground or standing firm in there fruits of the spirit, or singing or praying.

Renewing the mind daily is something Jesus does for us because temporary possession of unclean thoughts can lingers on and on cause the believer to become unsound in the mind. but we are also told that we have to act upon this and want to renew the mind daily. so that we have a chance in defeating spiritual denomic forces.

None of us can defeat demons if we dont take action the moment they strike.
Jesus gives us the authority to cast out demons but we need to act.
The trouble is not enough is taught on identifying.

As i asked in the beggining of this thread to please forgive me if my concerns may cause you annoyance, ill say it once again in sorry if my concerns have caused christians any pain here please forgive me. im fighting hatred everyday from demons and i need the love of christian to help me.

I think your general consensus is correct that a Christian can be influenced, even greatly by demonic activity. I think where your err is your terminology and the definitions that you use. Being influenced is quite different than being coerced or possessed. As a man thinketh, so he is. The greatest battlefield is our thinking. Choosing to believe lie was enough to send the whole of mankind into a tailspin, believing the truth corrects that lie.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I have had my share before I was born again with demons , they even showed themselves in form of a fly , to the point I was sent to the top mental health hospital in England called Maudsley...

But when I got saved through all my trauma , I felt the freedom from being owned by Satan , and I am no longer his slave...

Satan did not just go away , he continued to torment me with his demons , but the Holy Spirit is more powerful than Satan and his minions , and a demon can never enter a born again child of God , goodness me , that is like saying they are more powerful than God...
...xox...

 

[de-emerald]

I agree with both posts posted above me. demons are not more powerful than God.
how ever not everybody is not as strong minded as others and people are not as powerful as God and faith comes with hearing the word.
However the power from the holy spirit that lives in the believer is enough to exspell demons from the body.

be blessed have a nice day all

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have had my share before I was born again with demons , they even showed themselves in form of a fly , to the point I was sent to the top mental health hospital in England called Maudsley...

But when I got saved through all my trauma , I felt the freedom from being owned by Satan , and I am no longer his slave...

Satan did not just go away , he continued to torment me with his demons , but the Holy Spirit is more powerful than Satan and his minions , and a demon can never enter a born again child of God , goodness me , that is like saying they are more powerful than God...
...xox...

Amen

demons can oppress attack and demoralize a child of God

however, as you say, they can not enter a person

 

[Rosemaryx]

However the power from the holy spirit that lives in the believer is enough to exspell demons from the body.

I am sorry , but i totally disagree with this...
They never possessed me once I became a child of God , I was no longer Satans , my soul was purchased by Jesus Christ , who expelled them all...

Jesus cast out demons , they do not and cannot live inside of Gods Temple where the Holy Spirit lives...

I was a baby Christian with no real knowledge of Gods word , nevertheless , we are set free with a new spirit that has no partnership with evil , yet we can still be tormented with Satan's lies , and that is why we need the whole armor of God to wear everyday because of the attacks , but never can Satan enter us nor possess us , that is just a lie and scare tactic from him...
All the glory to God I say Amen...
...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

I am sorry , but i totally disagree with this...
They never possessed me once I became a child of God , I was no longer Satans , my soul was purchased by Jesus Christ , who expelled them all...

Jesus cast out demons , they do not and cannot live inside of Gods Temple where the Holy Spirit lives...

I was a baby Christian with no real knowledge of Gods word , nevertheless , we are set free with a new spirit that has no partnership with evil , yet we can still be tormented with Satan's lies , and that is why we need the whole armor of God to wear everyday because of the attacks , but never can Satan enter us nor possess us , that is just a lie and scare tactic from him...
All the glory to God I say Amen...
...xox...

Sorry , I think I misread your post , yes I agree , the Holy Spirit expels them , and they never return to that place because greater is He that is in you , then he that is the world...

Demons only come back into a body as before bringing more evil ones with them , they find the place has been swept , and empty , why empty ? because they do not have the Holy Spirit living in them , because they are unbelievers...
...xox...