Two things .

[throughfaith]

1) Salvation is a free gift . And this free gift is permanent.

2) To do something with your unconditional salvation requires actions. For Maturing , being useful for others, and the furthering of the gospel.

Most Christians do not know how how to reconcile these two points .

Oh the muddy waters in this area .
Most threads on here involve this issue . Any thread that is overtly labouring on water baptism , Repentance , obedience, and such ,is usually a red flag that someone is confused about these ' two things '
A red flag ,because they inevitably want to get you into 'conditional salvation ' . Blurring the lines between Point 1) and point 2) above
Thoughts ?

 

[Unearthed]

Yes salvation is a free gift however I do not believe it is unconditional.
If it were unconditional then everybody would be saved and there would be no purpose for following Jesus.

We must have faith that Jesus is who He is in order to be saved.

 

[Aidan1]

Yes salvation is a free gift however I do not believe it is unconditional.
If it were unconditional then everybody would be saved and there would be no purpose for following Jesus.

We must have faith that Jesus is who He is in order to be saved.

But is this an reaction ore an condition?

 

[Unearthed]

But is this an reaction ore an condition?

?

 

[throughfaith]

Yes salvation is a free gift however I do not believe it is unconditional.
If it were unconditional then everybody would be saved and there would be no purpose for following Jesus.

We must have faith that Jesus is who He is in order to be saved.

The prerequisite is 1cor 1.21 .

 

[Nehemiah6]

To do something with your unconditional salvation requires actions.

This remark shows that you neither understand the Gospel nor salvation.

SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL! It requires (1) repentance toward God and (2) faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

So unless you properly understand the Gospel, you will continue to post inane threads.

 

[throughfaith]

This remark shows that you neither understand the Gospel nor salvation.

SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL! It requires (1) repentance toward God and (2) faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

So unless you properly understand the Gospel, you will continue to post inane threads.

As I've been through this a million times on here ,I do forget however people's attention span is very short . I'm not referring to receiving Jesus
I'm referring Eternal security . I believe the prerequisite to recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit and all the blessings that come with that is . 1cor 1.21 . Romans 10.9 . 1 cor 15 ,1-4 . Eph 1.13 . Simple . John 1.12 .
I do not believe in Lordship salvation. Which in some form or another front loads or back loads ' works ' into it .

 

[throughfaith]

This remark shows that you neither understand the Gospel nor salvation.

SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL! It requires (1) repentance toward God and (2) faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

So unless you properly understand the Gospel, you will continue to post inane threads.

" To do something with your unconditional salvation requires actions." This should have made it clear that I'm referring to after receiving Jesus, not prior to it .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This remark shows that you neither understand the Gospel nor salvation.

SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL! It requires (1) repentance toward God and (2) faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

So unless you properly understand the Gospel, you will continue to post inane threads.

Repentance only comes from those that have already been born again and heaven as their inheritance. The natural man as described in 1 Cor 2:14 will not, and even cannot, repent of breaking a spiritual law that he can not discern. Eternal salvation by God's sovereign grace.

 

[Aidan1]

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For to recieve salvation. If it is a free gift, then it has to be unconditional.
But it has to accept through faith. This is a reaction. I am not shure that you can call it a condition. You know what I mean?

 

[CherieR]

1) Salvation is a free gift . And this free gift is permanent.

2) To do something with your unconditional salvation requires actions. For Maturing , being useful for others, and the furthering of the gospel.

Most Christians do not know how how to reconcile these two points .

Oh the muddy waters in this area .
Most threads on here involve this issue . Any thread that is overtly labouring on water baptism , Repentance , obedience, and such ,is usually a red flag that someone is confused about these ' two things '
A red flag ,because they inevitably want to get you into 'conditional salvation ' . Blurring the lines between Point 1) and point 2) above
Thoughts ?

I believe that obedience flows out from a heart that loves God. It is not perfect for we all sin. But “we love because he first loved us”( 1 John 4:19 NIV)

 

[throughfaith]

I believe that obedience flows out from a heart that loves God. It is not perfect for we all sin. But “we love because he first loved us”( 1 John 4:19 NIV)

Yes our love and motivation is because of his love , assurance and security that he has given and promised to us . Not given because we deserve it or can merit it ,but because of his love. This is what motivates a believer . Grace . Obedience? Is that the best word to use ? I don't know. Obeying from the heart maybe a little closer to the point. The book of philippians is a great insight on this. Serving selflessly for the furtherance of the Gospel because we have Eternal security because of assurance . We have salvation Guaranteed because of the sealing of the Holy Spirt . We have it ,now work out ' it ' for the furtherance of the gospel.

 

[CherieR]

Yes our love and motivation is because of his love , assurance and security that he has given and promised to us . Not given because we deserve it or can merit it ,but because of his love. This is what motivates a believer . Grace . Obedience? Is that the best word to use ? I don't know. Obeying from the heart maybe a little closer to the point. The book of philippians is a great insight on this. Serving selflessly for the furtherance of the Gospel because we have Eternal security because of assurance . We have salvation Guaranteed because of the sealing of the Holy Spirt . We have it ,now work out ' it ' for the furtherance of the gospel.

I like that wording grace obedience. What good thing may we give to God that has not been given to us? Nothing. It is the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23 for it is Jesus work in the heart and life of a believer. It is not something one can truly take credit for. It is a gift from God.

 

[Chester]

As I've been through this a million times on here ,I do forget however people's attention span is very short . I'm not referring to receiving Jesus
I'm referring Eternal security . I believe the prerequisite to recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit and all the blessings that come with that is . 1cor 1.21 . Romans 10.9 . 1 cor 15 ,1-4 . Eph 1.13 . Simple . John 1.12 .
I do not believe in Lordship salvation. Which in some form or another front loads or back loads ' works ' into it .

Not sure why people are afraid of good works?? I love good works - I don't have to either front or back load them into salvation, because to me salvation is deliverance not only from hell, but it is also deliverance from a life of service and slavery to sin and the Devil.
Good works are so intertwined with the beautiful salvation that God gives to us. What a gift when we believe in the atoning death of His Son!

I am not sure why anyone would not want Jesus' Lordship? Maybe it is because He is misunderstood as a mean, ugly judge or taskmaster!? He is not that at all! Try Him out, and you will find the kindest, most loving, the most gentle Master you ever met!

I proudly hail Jesus as my Lord, my Redeemer, and my God!

 

[JaumeJ]

Not sure why people are afraid of good works?? I love good works - I don't have to either front or back load them into salvation, because to me salvation is deliverance not only from hell, but it is also deliverance from a life of service and slavery to sin and the Devil.
Good works are so intertwined with the beautiful salvation that God gives to us. What a gift when we believe in the atoning death of His Son!

I am not sure why anyone would not want Jesus' Lordship? Maybe it is because He is misunderstood as a mean, ugly judge or taskmaster!? He is not that at all! Try Him out, and you will find the kindest, most loving, the most gentle Master you ever met!

I proudly hail Jesus as my Lord, my Redeemer, and my God!

Amen. So beutifully worded.. it makes me so happy and sad. More tears for that vial. Thank you...again, Beautiful.

 

[throughfaith]

Not sure why people are afraid of good works?? I love good works - I don't have to either front or back load them into salvation, because to me salvation is deliverance not only from hell, but it is also deliverance from a life of service and slavery to sin and the Devil.
Good works are so intertwined with the beautiful salvation that God gives to us. What a gift when we believe in the atoning death of His Son!

I am not sure why anyone would not want Jesus' Lordship? Maybe it is because He is misunderstood as a mean, ugly judge or taskmaster!? He is not that at all! Try Him out, and you will find the kindest, most loving, the most gentle Master you ever met!

I proudly hail Jesus as my Lord, my Redeemer, and my God!

That's not ' Lordship salvation '
.

 

[p_rehbein]

1) Salvation is a free gift . And this free gift is permanent.

2) To do something with your unconditional salvation requires actions. For Maturing , being useful for others, and the furthering of the gospel.

Most Christians do not know how how to reconcile these two points .

Oh the muddy waters in this area .
Most threads on here involve this issue . Any thread that is overtly labouring on water baptism , Repentance , obedience, and such ,is usually a red flag that someone is confused about these ' two things '
A red flag ,because they inevitably want to get you into 'conditional salvation ' . Blurring the lines between Point 1) and point 2) above
Thoughts ?

The confusion (IMO) comes because a whole lot of Christians do not know the difference between Salvation and Sanctification. As well, there are a number of people who do not believe in the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost, which is necessary for a Christian to move from a "carnal" believer to a "spiritual" believer as the Apostle Paul taught. There are people who do not believe in the Holy Trinity. Some believe the "written" Word (Bible) is the "Comforter" Jesus promised to send.

To be perfectly honest, I struggle to understand how people who do not believe in the Holy Trinity, or the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost can be included in the Christian Church. I thank God that it is not up to me to determine their salvation. That power belongs COMPLETE TO GOD/JESUS.

But, this is how so many arguments come about here on the BDF.

I do not see how to resolve the issue because people have their beliefs, Denominational teachings so ingrained that they refuse to believe they could be wrong.

A day is coming when the wheat will be separated from the chafe, and I fear many, many will be heartbroken on that day........

Matthew, Chapter 7:

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Chester]

That's not ' Lordship salvation '
.

He sure is my Lord and I surely am saved!

 

[JaumeJ]

He sure is my Lord and I surely am saved!

Same here. It seems there is a vein of participants in the forum very anxious to assert new titles to teachings we all know..

Every knee, including my own, will boe, every tongue confess that Jesus, Yeshua, is Lord. He is the Messiah, amen.

 

[throughfaith]

He sure is my Lord and I surely am saved!

' Lordship salvation 'is not " Yay I say Jesus is My Lord " . Or " Yes Jesus is God " . No its a belief that you have to MAKE Jesus Lord of your life . If Your not making Jesus Lord of all then you not saved at all . Its a focus on your 'works 'to prove your saved . Including making Jesus Lord ..