The second coming of Jesus
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Hello soberxp,
It is only your opinion that we don't need a flesh body in heaven. However, Jesus has been in heaven in his immortal and glorified flesh and bone body ever since He ascended to the right hand of the Father. He is representing us as a human being, as One who lived a perfect life in the flesh.
I presented the scriptures to you, as well as the meaning of the word resurrection having to do with the same body standing up again. The fact that Jesus is currently in His resurrected body of flesh and bone also demonstrates that at the resurrection believers will all be resurrected in our same bodies, changed immortal and glorified.
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"While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” But they were startled and frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit.
“Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and feet.
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In the scripture above, the disciples thought that Jesus was a spirit. As proof that He was not a spirit, he stated that His body was flesh and bones. As further proof that it was He Himself in the body that he was crucified in, He shows the disciples the nail marks in His hands and feet.
Believing that Jesus resurrected in the same body is an integral part of the gospel. Because of His resurrection, all believers are promised to also be bodily resurrected, immortal and glorified, just as the Lord was.
If you're not believing that believers will be bodily resurrected (which is what the word means) then you are not believing in the bodily resurrection of Christ either. The fact that the women did not find Jesus' body in the tomb demonstrates that He rose bodily. For the angel said to the women, "He (His body) is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.
I would suggest that you do a study on the resurrection and specifically 1 Corinthians 15:12-58.
It is very important that you believe in the bodily resurrection. And if you say that you believe in the bodily resurrection of the Lord, but do not believe that believers will be bodily resurrected, please see the scripture below:
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
As the scripture says, at the time of the resurrection, the Lord will transform our current bodies to be like His glorious body.
The dead bodies being eaten by birds are those Christ killed at Armageddon, not the "body members".
That is correct. It is the wicked who will be killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth and whom will be eaten by the birds which the angel will have gathered. What does "body members' refer to and who said that?
According to the Word we are dying to this age. I cannot find your teaching in the Word.
You should know where it is found in the word:
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
It is your teaching that the bride is the dead being eaten which is not in the word.
This kind of argument is meaningless. We are born from the Holy Spirit. Why do we embrace the primary school as flesh body.
anyway we are not Jesus...so we only need is a spiritual body.
In the same way, biblical prophecy is all about spiritual things,
If we understand the Bible from the perspective of the world, we may not be able to understand the Bible.
For example, the new Jerusalem is the Holy Spirit,we born from the great woman.The great city of Lord
If we understand the Bible from the perspective of the world, we may not be able to understand the Bible.
For example, the new Jerusalem is the Holy Spirit,we born from the great woman.The great city of Lord
It's just like the Jews think that the promised land is on the earth. In fact, it's a wrong understanding. It's also a wrong understanding to think that the prophecy of the Bible is to let the Jews return to their homes on the earth.
If you think about it, is God's word so superficial?
If you think about it, is God's word so superficial?
Good morning!
"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."
"Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God—the gospel He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh, and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,"
Friend, this is not a meaningless argument, but it is necessary for you to believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ and that believers are also going to be resurrected bodily. At the time the resurrection takes place, the bodies of those who have died in Christ will be raised immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive their bodies will be transformed immortal and glorified.
"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Why bother with the graves, if it is only a spiritual resurrection, which doesn't make any sense because the word itself means to stand up bodily.
I've already presented the definition of the word 'anastasis' translated as 'Resurrection' to you demonstrating that it refers to the physical body standing up again. I have also shown you that Jesus appeared to His disciples who thought that He was a spirit and His response was "a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have." After all these proofs how is it that you still don't believe? Jesus' bodily resurrection is a proof of His being the Son of God.
If you are not believing that believers in Christ will resurrect bodily, then you are not believing in the bodily resurrection of Christ either, which is a requirement for salvation.
As the scripture above proclaims, "when Christ appears, we shall be like Him."
When a believer dies their spirits go to be in the presence of the Lord. If the resurrection was speaking about being raised spiritually, why would there be a need for a resurrection, since the spirits of the dead are already in the presence of the Lord at the time of death?
I would urge you to do a study on the resurrection starting with 1 Corinthians 15, because unless you believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ you are not saved. And if you say that only Christ rose bodily, but believers will not be raised bodily, then you are not believing that Christ did either, even though you say you do, because believers will all be resurrected in the same way that Christ was, which is bodily.
It's not wrong at all. Eternity is spent on the Earth with God.
1Ch_23:25 For David said, The LORD God of Israel hath given rest unto his people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem for ever:
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Psa_37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psa_37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psa_37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
Mat_5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Job_19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
It is not man who will go to heaven to dwell with the Father and Jesus in the eternity but the Father and Jesus dwelling with Man upon the new Earth!
Heaven is the temporary dwelling place for God, angels and the spirits of the dead saints. The eternal home for all is the new Earth.
Before the new heaven and new earth, the Lord will appear and resurrect the dead and the living in Christ will be transformed immortal and glorified, where at which point He will take the entire church back to the Father's house, which is in heaven. In addition, it may be that the New Jerusalem actually orbits the new earth. And so we will have access to both the New Jerusalem and the new earth.
"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
A bit of inexplicable church history:
The "Lisbon Earthquake of 1755" which shook the entire world,
the scientifically inexplicable "Dark Day/Blood Red Moon Night" of May 18, 1780", and the Leonid "Winter of the Plenty Stars" Meteor Shower of 1833 where it inexplicably averaged over 100,000 per hour and the meteors inexplicably emanated from a singular point in space as they fell to the ground
All these were the fulfillment of Revelation 6, and were the antitypical Feast of Trumpets which were followed by the antitypical Day of Atonement. These signs heralded the Great Religious Awakening, when prophecy began to be studied simultaneously around the world and it was discovered that, contrary to popular consensus that Christ would not return for a 1,000 years at the end of the supposed "Millennium of Peace", people began to see from Scripture that Jesus was coming very soon. Soon, people from all denominations adopted this belief and were kicked out or left and formed their own faith which held as one of their creeds that the Second Coming was nearer "than we first believed". For decades, mainline Christianity laughed and laughed until Billy Graham stepped up in the early 20th century and began preaching "Jesus is coming soon!!!" - and lo and behold, slowly the entire Christian world got on board with the preaching of this little church.
We do not know that day or hour right know but if we know the sings we will be able to tell Almost to the hour when Jesus will return. I just copied the whole chapter for you.
Revelation 11
The Two Witnesses
1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The Witnesses Killed and Raised
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
The Seventh Trumpet
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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2nd Thessalonians chapter 2:1-12
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
None of this has happened to date. If Jesus returned in 70 AD where is the Millennial Sanctuary and Oblation and the valley caused by Jesus foot touching down on the Mt of Olives splitting it in two making a 60 square mile area. West corner 12x12 mile plot for THE Princes Portion Next to that is the garden portion of the city it is 12x12 miles Next to that is the city again 12x12 miles then a second city garden 12x12 miles then The Princes Portion East 12x12 miles. Then we have a 24x60 mile block for the Priests and the Sanctury and thirdly and last we have a 24x60 mile block for the Levites. You can read all of this in Ezekiel 40-48.
WHAT in the heck are you talking about!!! Jesus came in 70 AD??? John did not write the book of Revelation untill about 90AD and that book has a lot to say about the second coming of Jesus.
2nd Thessalonians chapter 2:1-12
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
None of this has happened to date. If Jesus returned in 70 AD where is the Millennial Sanctuary and Oblation and the valley caused by Jesus foot touching down on the Mt of Olives splitting it in two making a 60 square mile area. West corner 12x12 mile plot for THE Princes Portion Next to that is the garden portion of the city it is 12x12 miles Next to that is the city again 12x12 miles then a second city garden 12x12 miles then The Princes Portion East 12x12 miles. Then we have a 24x60 mile block for the Priests and the Sanctury and thirdly and last we have a 24x60 mile block for the Levites. You can read all of this in Ezekiel 40-48.
You are right my brother or sister not many understand that. Many christians it seams to me would rather worm a pew listen to some man or woman rea 2or 3 verses out of the bible and tell a feal good story than really study the bible. If they would take the time to really study the word would grab them in such a way they would never want to let go of it. I don't work I am retired and disabled so I have a lot of time to study and do 3-5 hrs most days. I know most people cannot do that but an hour out of 24 you would thank most people could do that. Just turn the TV off for an hour.
