Did Christ change the world or fulfill what was said of the world?

[Pilgrimshope]

So you made a general statement,

then why did you even say it? What purpose did it have to counter my argument that saying you disagree wih someone’s Interpretation of scripture is not disagreeing with scripture?

why do you constantly want to bicker when people bring scripture up ? You hardly ever address throng anyone says but begin arguing anything you don’t already think you know

other people are presenting thoer understanding I’m not sure it seems like some folks here think we’re all a group of appointed teachers and judges of each other that’s not what I believe so
I’m going tomorobably have dofferent views

why don’t you present the things you feel I or someone has wrong rather than chase after arguments ?

what issue do you have with believing Gods word preached by Jesus Christ being salvstion ? If you don’t have an issue with that then I don’t have any argument and will avoid the bait

 

[Blik]

do you mean the post wherein you once again made false statements

it was answered. you do exactly what you say others do

the entire thing is to avoid responding to scripture that shows your conclusions on the law are not biblical

here is that post:



no I am not completely mistaken. we ARE discussing the errors you are making in your interpretation. we have used scripture and quoted it directly from the New Testament. You refuse to discuss it and simply ignore those posts. No one is going against God here; that is more nonsense you are prone to say when you cannot refute scripture that disagrees with your conjecture. I am not setting myself up as God. That is total nonsense. You cannot argue against scripture so you make silly accusations. I have judged what is false in your interpretations and so have many others. That is not a different issue. It is the same issue over and over and over etc

answered x 2

I asked you to respond without the "you" accusations, but by giving us scripture that applies, you are still doing the "you". Couldn't you keep to scripture, please?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I asked you to respond without the "you" accusations, but by giving us scripture that applies, you are still doing the "you". Couldn't you keep to scripture, please?

lol I defended you in a simple post and now the torches and pitch fork crew came 😇

 

[Pilgrimshope]

please quote the post where I said quoting the Bible is unbiblical LOL! I quote the Bible all the time.

grow up

sure

“you can quote the entire Bible

but you do not seem to understand what Paul says yourself

teaching that works are a part of salvation or that we must obey the law is not biblical.”

I took it from what you said there , but it’s so straw man because you can’t find a post with me saying obedience to
Moses law is anything

obedience to Christ is our goal the law was through Moses , the gospel came by Christ it’s why he was sent to earth and my point was that Jesus , Paul and all the Bible teaches good works being a part of redemption which leads to salvation

so basically your view would be uthkng teaching what we need to do isnt biblical right ? There’s plenty of that in the New Testament much about what we have to stop doing or lose our inheritance and also much about what we are to do now to movie worthy of Christ

so to say obeying Moses law isn’t a part of it I agree , Christ isn’t Moses though and he didn’t preach the law though Moses preached the law Jesus preached Gods actual true words of eternal life we don’t get to bypass the part of believing God and that leads to good works it becomes part of the redeemed persons life if they actual are believers I mean

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can claim it’s not “ required” but why would a born again child of God have an issue with doing good for other people ? We should as Paul’s saying as we walk with the lord be careful to do good and bring glory to God

and more I imperative is what we have to stop doing and thinking because it will bring us into wrath of we don’t repent and steal Our God given inheritance in the kingdom

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We shouldn’t think this is not true or skews to apply it does it’s in every epistle

“For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:14-16, 19-

so if we really listen to Paul we’re going to here about repentance , and doing the works prepared for us by Christ in his gospel culminating in Godly love that acts rather than merely speaks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I asked you to respond without the "you" accusations, but by giving us scripture that applies, you are still doing the "you". Couldn't you keep to scripture, please?

You still refuse to acknowledge your sin

scripture is not in question here, it’s your constant false accusations or twisting of what people say

your accused rightly, because your guilty

 

[eternally-gratefull]

lol I defended you in a simple post and now the torches and pitch fork crew came 😇

You defend her sin, thank you for admitting what an enabler you are

 

[Blik]

You still refuse to acknowledge your sin

scripture is not in question here, it’s your constant false accusations or twisting of what people say
You are act
your accused rightly, because your guilty

You are acting in the place of God, asking me to treat you as if you was God. You are NOT God, you are flesh and your posts are from the flesh, not in res[ponce to God's word. No. I will not pretend you are God that I am to repent of your fleshly demands.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are acting in the place of God, asking me to treat you as if you was God. You are NOT God, you are flesh and your posts are from the flesh, not in res[ponce to God's word. No. I will not pretend you are God that I am to repent of your fleshly demands.

Your refusal just shows how far from God you are

your like a pharisee who pumps your chest, judging sinners while refusing to acknowledge your own sin

when you LIE about someone, or claim they said something they did not say, like you do contuously. I do not have to be God to judge, especially when you do it to me, I have the right to call you out for sinning against me,

stop trying to turn the focus off you and excusing your own sin for once in your life own up to it, so we can discuss the word like grown adults,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You defend her sin, thank you for admitting what an enabler you are

Wow man you are pretty obnoxious honestly like the energizer bunny you just keep goin and goin so I’ll bite on this one

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of you spend your time judging “ sinners “ you are going to not be able to hear the eternal judgement like all those cast out sinners we want to point out and exclude somehow


If you invited Jesus to your house he would say something like this and then save a sinner in front of you to teach you , but can you hear and see it ? Can you see why it’s imperative that judgement is his ?

“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:37-50‬ ‭

when sinners stop pretending they aren’t sinners and turn to Jesus in repentance salvation happens by Christ alone and his will . and the self righteousness look on and scoff in thier intentions of correcting those “sinners and making them worthy of Jesus like they are “ those mini saviors appointed to correct and keep the real true doctrines

I’m sorry you have irritated me I’m gonna move on to someone who isn’t motivated by constant strife

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow man you are pretty obnoxious honestly like the energizer bunny you just keep goin and goin so I’ll bite on this one

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of you spend your time judging “ sinners “ you are going to not be able to hear the eternal judgement like all those cast out sinners we want to point out and exclude somehow


If you invited Jesus to your house he would say something like this and then save a sinner in front of you to teach you , but can you hear and see it ? Can you see why it’s imperative that judgement is his ?

“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:37-50‬ ‭

when sinners stop pretending they aren’t sinners and turn to Jesus in repentance salvation happens by Christ alone and his will . and the self righteousness look on and scoff in thier intentions of correcting those “sinners and making them worthy of Jesus like they are “ those mini saviors appointed to correct and keep the real true doctrines

I’m sorry you have irritated me I’m gonna move on to someone who isn’t motivated by constant strife

1.you called me out of causing strife because the girl lied about what I said and I called her out

you openly state you defend her, inspite of her sins and those she sins against trying to get her to confess of her sins against them

that’s how you enable people you let them sin, you deny they are even si Ning, you attack those who try to help them, then you get angry

move on dude, you have hurt blik spiritually, she will not find healing as long as you baby her and excuse her sin

 

[Pilgrimshope]

1.you called me out of causing strife because the girl lied about what I said and I called her out

you openly state you defend her, inspite of her sins and those she sins against trying to get her to confess of her sins against them

that’s how you enable people you let them sin, you deny they are even si Ning, you attack those who try to help them, then you get angry

move on dude, you have hurt blik spiritually, she will not find healing as long as you baby her and excuse her sin

man toy twist things way to much form me to waste my time with this one so bellow as much as you wish about me it won’t prosper . Anyone can see what I wrote , your summary of my view is lacking any integrity it’s just an argument trap it always is with you any time you speak to
Me it’s the exact same I waste time presenting mountains of scripture and you insist I don’t get it lol let’s end the circle

it’s not worth it for either of us nothing good is ahead , pursuing strife is sin , I’m done hope somehow to someday in some way find some morsal Of agreement on some other issue but I’m losing hope lol

anyways enjoy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

man toy twist things way to much form me to waste my time with this one so below as much as you wish . Anyone can see what I wrote , your summary is lacking and integrity it’s not worth it for either of us nothing good is ahead , pursuing strife is sin , I’m done hope somehow to someday in some way find some morsal Of agreement on some other issue but I’m losing hope lol

Good day sir

your an enabler, I call you out as what you are

i will pray for you

judge me all you want. My judge ts are correct

on Her sins and your sin

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good day sir

your an enabler, I call you out as what you are

i will pray for you

judge me all you want. My judge ts are correct

on Her sins and your sin

okay and good day your judgement means zero to Me FYI

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay and good day your judgement means zero to Me FYI

That’s ok, the lord sees, and you can be assured his judgment will matter to you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That’s ok, the lord sees, and you can be assured his judgment will matter to you

do you operate a cult ? This is growing strange

 

[eternally-gratefull]

do you operate a cult ? This is growing strange

Do you always stick up for sinners and excuse theor sin? by attacking the people they are sinning against?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That’s ok, the lord sees, and you can be assured his judgment will matter to you

Do you always stick up for sinners and excuse theor sin? by attacking the people they are sinning against?

first answer my question are you an authoritarian in a cult where everyone has to agree with your judgements or they can’t be saved by God ?

I might be wrong but it seems like you are telling me if I reject your judgement of “ my sins and her ( whoever that is ) sins “ I’m in trouble ?

am I misunderstanding do I need your approval ? Seriously asking for once answer my question are you recruiting disciples that need to have your approval ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you always stick up for sinners and excuse theor sin? by attacking the people they are sinning against?

Lol no I’ve don’t none of that I pointed out that you guys don’t have the authority to judge others

and if anyone was “ sinning against you” God says to not respond with insults and accusations I mean that’s what God said right ? Someone sins against you you forgive and move on

it doesn’t instruct us to be offended constantly because people don’t agree with our self exalted view of our own jidgement when we can’t even agree with Jesus Christ’s judgement like forminstance “you aren’t anyone’s judge he is “ and when you judge other sinners your judging yourself “ but I guess bringing up that somehow was an attack ? And condoning someone’s sin even causing and encouraging it

you need to let Jesus judge people and learn what he said for yourself you can’t mediate another persons relationship with God if I were to sin it would have nothing to do with you just like your sins don’t have anything to do with me thier between you and Jesus, like someone else who believes it’s between them and Jesus not mediated by you that’s a yoke you don’t want or need trust me

 

[SophieT]

not really I can see you have no ability to accept the gospel at the moment so it’s sort of fruitless and a Corcle to
Continue

and yet you have been going on about how we should NEVER judge

LOL! I would say that veneer of religiosity has been taken off, so everyone take a good look

this, is what we are dealing with.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

first answer my question are you an authoritarian in a cult where everyone has to agree with your judgements or they can’t be saved by God ?

let’s get to the root of the problem her my friend

lets go back to the beginning

this is what blik said to me

This is a Christian site, and we are discussing scripture. It is so wrong of you to turn a discussion of law into "attempts to force". That is a way of ruining discussions that should not have to follow your rules about what scripture to discuss.

It is ironic that you have used a Christian site to exhibit unchristian behavior, behavior that Christ preached against on the sermon of the mount when Christ explained murder.

my response was to question where I said anything about what s rupture to discuss.

Who said anything about chosing what scripture to discuss?

.

now you could have been a real brother, and said he blik, I did not see EG say we should not discuss s rupture of any kind, why would you think he did

or at the least, you could have said Eg, do you really think we should not discuss parts of scripture

but now. This is how you responded

“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
‭

It’s hard to consider fruit if we have to jab our fingers with thorns when reaching for a piece it’s easy to notice of things are rooted in love or argument and pride ot seems
Many have the intent to simply argue anything said

in doing so

1. you lost the chance to help your sister
2. you acted like her sin was ok, and I had no right to defend what I really said against her false accusations
3. you have not set forth a huge argument, which seems ongoing
4. you enabled a sinner and excused her sin

people call this hypergrace or easy believism, just let people sin with no consequences its ok.

no sir, I am not in a cult, i call a spade a spade.
if your doing something wrong, especially when it concerns this one sin of bearing false witness, then yeah, I am gonna call you and them out for it