Am I fit to judge other Christians ?

[de-emerald]

um no I’m not making judgements about your viewpoint at all , I’m saying you invited me to discuss the law with you after we have already established hat it becomes a point t of contention between you and I , I don’t want to contend with Gods beloved children , I am guilty of all the same arguing but I don’t want to be part of it

when you invited me again it was very pleasant to my spirit because of the humility and kindness you displayed and envoked from me wanting forbid to be friends I want that also to be friends and. N Ot enemies

what I’m saying is maybe you and I shouldn’t discuss the law because we seem to butt heads in our viewpoints a lot on that subject on almost everything else I have slot of agreement so I’m saying maybe we can be friends and just forget about the past arguments

and possibly until we get closer in understanding about the law and our opposition in thinking about it we should avoid the subject between ourselves so as to not continue in any form of contention

I’m sorry for any times I have been short , or. Ot inderstood your posts . Sometimes I just don’t understand what someone is saying and think I do then later it sinks in

what I’m saying is I love you you are a prized possession of our savior and Lord and I feel as if I also am treasured and loved by him so let’s try to have a relationship here where we can avoid contrnrtuon and find some sort of Christian bond between each other

but I feel as if it’s necassary for us to have some grace for one another’s view point again I’m not removing my own guilt in this forum I’m just saying let’s do a better thing than we have because I honestly find a time of things you say when we aren’t bickering and hurting feelings very valuable tommy own growth

sometimes it’s alright if the person were talking with doesn’t come to our belief and I just look at my own actions sometimes and am ashamed e be just in this forum of how I respond to others

but I see almost everyone doing the same things and it’s like we’re blind and trying to make everyone else see

I hope you receive this as it is meant , I’m sorry for any offense I will try to do better

You have recieved the spirit, a manifestion of Gods grace and Gods decrees, Psalm 112:1 we establish blessing while separating from anything purposed against it by the enemy.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Gods decrees means we will establish blessing whilst seperating anything purposed against it by the enemy. This means that we Judge automatically when there is a difference of viewpoint between us concerning Gods blessed scripture as all scripture is blessed lol. Its inevitable unavoidable, That when we talk about scripture we will Judge each others viewpoints as its the spirit thats judges all things. If we come in to an agreement thats another thing entirely.

My view point or your view on certain scripture may well of not of come from the spirit at the time we write it etc. The spirit would not want that view point stay in our minds. So this is where the spirit in you would judge my view point to correct me, or as you put it the other day to intercede. This is normal healthy Judgement That is a part Of God manifestation of Grace he has bestowed in us its unavoidable and we will do it.

Of course we may be a bit harsh sometimes and then this is where talking about Gods law is healthy because then the spirit in you could Judge me and tell me off and tell me to be a bit more gentle lol.

Or the spirit could be Judging me now to help restoration, its a funny old game lol.

 

[de-emerald]

The anwser to the question am i fit to Judge is, it is the spirit in you that Judges all things not you yourself. all things all laws all works whether Good or bad.

That is the nature of our father the son and the spirit. The reason for this nature is to establish blessing whilst seperating anything aposed to blessing from the enemy.

So you yourself is not being Judgemental or being a law pusher or being more holier than thow, nope thats conflict when the enemy wispers in our ear. he wants the blessing of Gods scriptures cursed.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You have recieved the spirit, a manifestion of Gods grace and Gods decrees, Psalm 112:1 we establish blessing while separating from anything purposed against it by the enemy.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Gods decrees means we will establish blessing whilst seperating anything purposed against it by the enemy. This means that we Judge automatically when there is a difference of viewpoint between us concerning Gods blessed scripture as all scripture is blessed lol. Its inevitable unavoidable, That when we talk about scripture we will Judge each others viewpoints as its the spirit thats judges all things. If we come in to an agreement thats another thing entirely.

My view point or your view on certain scripture may well of not of come from the spirit at the time we write it etc. The spirit would not want that view point stay in our minds. So this is where the spirit in you would judge my view point to correct me, or as you put it the other day to intercede. This is normal healthy Judgement That is a part Of God manifestation of Grace he has bestowed in us its unavoidable and we will do it.

Of course we may be a bit harsh sometimes and then this is where talking about Gods law is healthy because then the spirit in you could Judge me and tell me off and tell me to be a bit more gentle lol.

Or the spirit could be Judging me now to help restoration, its a funny old game lol.

So let’s just let the spirit do the judging and be friends.

honestly what I’m meaning about I’m not judging your viewpoint is I’m more just wanting to discuss stuff in scripture so when I have a different viewpoint from another I’m looking more at it like neither of us knows it all and either of us could have something not quite right

but if Gods words get shared among the group our viewpoint might come closer together given the humility and faith most Christians carry when it comes to the lord and his word

I suppose my view is we let Gods word judge us all and share it with who ever will hear his judgements

we aren’t all the same we aren’t all going to know the same details , we have Areas of strength and weakness . One man knows much of the gospel so his bar is high between himself and thre lord but another knows and understands little bit they understand the lord came to save them that person isn’t going to be judged by the others standard but by thier own level of conscious understanding of right and wrong according to God

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the more of the gospel we receive and understand the more fruitful we need to be but a big fruitful tree needs to remember the little saplings to at only have a few pieces of fruit they belong to Gid also and it’s his garden

so the fruit tree doesn’t insist the tiny sapling produce a harvest like his but the lord is the gardener

“But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


we need to remember that we aren’t going to have thy same judgement but it’s going to be me judged by what I grasp and t out by what you grasp of the gospel

we don’t look the same so we can’t judge one produces much fruit another produces but a third but both are harvested by the lord of the vineyard

 

[de-emerald]

So let’s just let the spirit do the judging and be friends.

honestly what I’m meaning about I’m not judging your viewpoint is I’m more just wanting to discuss stuff in scripture so when I have a different viewpoint from another I’m looking more at it like neither of us knows it all and either of us could have something not quite right

All scripture has been Judged, so when ever you discuss scripture you will be discussing Judgement whether you realise this or not, All scripture has come from the spirit of Gods Judgement, His spirit now dwells in you and his spirit will Judge all things.

This is my view point and when you read this, the spirit in you will Judge this. and then when you reply all tho you will be just discussing as you put it, there will be Judgement attached to it. Your problem is you dont want to come across as if your Judgeing someone when you discuss scripture which is fine, but thats never going to happen when you discuss scripture because When ever you discuss scripture your also discussing Gods Judgement.

 

[TheLearner]

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[Pilgrimshope]

All scripture has been Judged, so when ever you discuss scripture you will be discussing Judgement whether you realise this or not, All scripture has come from the spirit of Gods Judgement, His spirit now dwells in you and his spirit will Judge all things.

This is my view point and when you read this, the spirit in you will Judge this. and then when you reply all tho you will be just discussing as you put it, there will be Judgement attached to it. Your problem is you dont want to come across as if your Judgeing someone when you discuss scripture which is fine, but thats never going to happen when you discuss scripture because When ever you discuss scripture your also discussing Gods Judgement.

the scripture is the judge is my point that’s why I find value in sharing what the holy spirit has said in scripture and said believe these things and be saved

That is the judgement of God for every creature in existence


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have already his judgement do you see what I’m saying ? I’m not making it , you aren’t our place in the matter is here

“preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

that’s where the judgement is made on you , or me , or any creature until the end of the world your sayong e soirit the spirit but he spoke already we’re supposed to share his judgements with others so if they believe they will come themself to him and get saved by receiving the true jidgement of God the at he has already sent out to the world and we’re the ones supposed to believe it and share what he said so others can


Now , what about when one believer thinks an Old Testament rule applies and needs to be kept for example observing the sabbath day. What then where does sin come on between us “spiritual “Christians making all thy we jidgements and such what’s the judgement when the other person thinks the sabbath day isn’t different than Any other day and doesn’t observe it like the other person ?

Is the thing to argue until we agree ? Or should we consider what the holt spirit has said through Jesus and Paul those appointed judges so how would we handle that situation ? That conflict to keep the sabbath or not ? Or to eat unclean foods deemed by law or not eat them ? Ot v nt conflicts what do we do ?

“One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, ( honor the sabbath ) regardeth it unto the Lord;

and he that regardeth not the day, ( doesn’t observe the sabbath ) to the Lord he doth not regard it.

He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-6, 10, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what makes us wrong discussing and finding deatails we don’t agree on is when we try to make the other person know what we know and act as we know we need to

We have to stop peeing the buck when we see what men need to do it’s for the one who sees it to get right first before we become their jidge in any way

many who observe some of the ot ordinances like sabbath keeping aren’t wrong they are walking by thier faith in God and he will judge them and bring them to where they need to be if we share the gospel that is but not if we don’t first believe it that’s the judgement for everyone

I’m not really even sure why we’re still goin on about this but my position is others need to walk by their own faith and not worry about what others are doing or believing so Much we should know that it’s only ourself we need to report to God so we need to keep
Our own conscience in line with our faith and let the others do the same that’s my “judgement “ but again that’s how I have to be because it’s my own belief that o received from believing the gospel

 

[Edify]

1Cor 5:1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Paul judged this situation because the church would have been perverted by allowing such things to happen.
If the church didn't properly judge such things at all, where would we all be right now?!?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

All scripture has been Judged, so when ever you discuss scripture you will be discussing Judgement whether you realise this or not, All scripture has come from the spirit of Gods Judgement, His spirit now dwells in you and his spirit will Judge all things.

This is my view point and when you read this, the spirit in you will Judge this. and then when you reply all tho you will be just discussing as you put it, there will be Judgement attached to it. Your problem is you dont want to come across as if your Judgeing someone when you discuss scripture which is fine, but thats never going to happen when you discuss scripture because When ever you discuss scripture your also discussing Gods Judgement.

yes this though is where the holy spirits jidgement is found and this is why you perceive I’m judging your point of view with scripture as you said before this is the judgement here is why I’m always quoting the things that Jesus said while he specifically was on earth

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-26‬ ‭

that’s what the judgement of the holy soirit is it’s Jesus and his words preached after this point

“And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭

what that means is this has come forth

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.( go preach the gospel to all nations )

A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The spirit will always remind us of the words Jesus preached so our judgement doesn’t stray from truth he set forth and showed us when the spirit came forth to preach the gospel before Jesus does his word set every judgement for all mankind and hen he sent it out to everyone and said believe it and live reject it and die

so instead of us judging we should share the jidgement now so people can have this promise

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:( spirit descended voice from heaven this is my son )

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that can save them because it’s Vods final judgement for us on earth until the end it will be what Jesus said in the gospel

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

Again the at is the final judgement and so if we begin to believe it ourselves , share it with others , and they begin to hear and believe they will be saved and begin to share the judgement of Christ because that’s what each of us have to face now by faith or then because we refused to believe

 

[Pilgrimshope]

1Cor 5:1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Paul judged this situation because the church would have been perverted by allowing such things to happen.
If the church didn't properly judge such things at all, where would we all be right now?!?

Paul judged the situation because he was an appointed apostle and given the authority to do so .

Paul’s rebuke was for the entire church because they approved of and gloried in what the man had done marrying his fathers wife the church was proud of him so Paul made the judgement they cast him out and repent because the mans son spread to them bybtrhier approval

one thing to note is the jidgement oaul made he later revoked and commanded that they accept the man because the church had been made sorry by Paul the apostle and appointed judge over there rebuke to them all Paul was in a position to judge those he had birthed into the gospel but he clearly taught the believers nOt to pass judgement on the other believers of a situation like that arose in our church the leaders of the church would then be forced to make a judgement by the spirit.

Paul said what he said in the first letter but then he shows that even he an apostle had agonized over his judgement he passed

“For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and had revoked it because of thier repentance in the church

“But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness. For if I make you sorry, who is he then that maketh me glad, but the same which is made sorry by me?

For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you. But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭2:1-2, 4-8‬

it was an agonizing thing for Paul to
Pass that particular jidgement on the whole group but it caused them to repent so we take the same care when we pass judgement as the apostle agonizingly did ?

the thing is oaul is an apostle and was himself grieved judging others he wasn’t boasting about his right to judge even though he had it like we don’t he loved them forst with a true Godly love

 

[de-emerald]

the scripture is the judge is my point that’s why I find value in sharing what the holy spirit has said in scripture and said believe these things and be saved

That is the judgement of God for every creature in existence


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have already his judgement do you see what I’m saying ? I’m not making it , you aren’t our place in the matter is here

“preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

that’s where the judgement is made on you , or me , or any creature until the end of the world your sayong e soirit the spirit but he spoke already we’re supposed to share his judgements with others so if they believe they will come themself to him and get saved by receiving the true jidgement of God the at he has already sent out to the world and we’re the ones supposed to believe it and share what he said so others can


Now , what about when one believer thinks an Old Testament rule applies and needs to be kept for example observing the sabbath day. What then where does sin come on between us “spiritual “Christians making all thy we jidgements and such what’s the judgement when the other person thinks the sabbath day isn’t different than Any other day and doesn’t observe it like the other person ?

Is the thing to argue until we agree ? Or should we consider what the holt spirit has said through Jesus and Paul those appointed judges so how would we handle that situation ? That conflict to keep the sabbath or not ? Or to eat unclean foods deemed by law or not eat them ? Ot v nt conflicts what do we do ?

“One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, ( honor the sabbath ) regardeth it unto the Lord;

and he that regardeth not the day, ( doesn’t observe the sabbath ) to the Lord he doth not regard it.

He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-6, 10, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what makes us wrong discussing and finding deatails we don’t agree on is when we try to make the other person know what we know and act as we know we need to

We have to stop peeing the buck when we see what men need to do it’s for the one who sees it to get right first before we become their jidge in any way

many who observe some of the ot ordinances like sabbath keeping aren’t wrong they are walking by thier faith in God and he will judge them and bring them to where they need to be if we share the gospel that is but not if we don’t first believe it that’s the judgement for everyone

I’m not really even sure why we’re still goin on about this but my position is others need to walk by their own faith and not worry about what others are doing or believing so Much we should know that it’s only ourself we need to report to God so we need to keep
Our own conscience in line with our faith and let the others do the same that’s my “judgement “ but again that’s how I have to be because it’s my own belief that o received from believing the gospel

The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore is just another Judgement. where going around in circles here. every single piece of scripture will Judge you and have the spirit inside you judging, there is no way around it and no way to avoid it. It doesnt matter how much care you take to not pass judgement on another christian. all scripture will pass Judgement. all scripture has been Judged.

The holy spirit will restore you because the judgemnt of the holy spirit loves you. The love of the holy spirit is pure and can Judge all unlovely thoughts and restore you and help you to restore others.

Being reminded that there is no law against the fruits of the spirit has been Judged with the upmost purity. so that you believe and can have faith. this will also pass judgment to you. But is that me Judging you ?
if i repeat the ten commanments to you is that me judging you ?

The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore
How can you call another brother a Judge of you when you know it is the spirit inside the brother that Judges all ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore is just another Judgement. where going around in circles here. every single piece of scripture will Judge you and have the spirit inside you judging, there is no way around it and no way to avoid it. It doesnt matter how much care you take to not pass judgement on another christian. all scripture will pass Judgement. all scripture has been Judged.

The holy spirit will restore you because the judgemnt of the holy spirit loves you. The love of the holy spirit is pure and can Judge all unlovely thoughts and restore you and help you to restore others.

Being reminded that there is no law against the fruits of the spirit has been Judged with the upmost purity. so that you believe and can have faith. this will also pass judgment to you. But is that me Judging you ?
if i repeat the ten commanments to you is that me judging you ?

The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore
How can you call another brother a Judge of you when you know it is the spirit inside the brother that Judges all ?

“The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore is just another Judgement.”

it’s Christs judgement that’s the difference his judgements are Gods true and everlasting jidgements so if we want to know Gods truth we have to listen to Jesus judgement not assume it’s just another judgement

this is the worlds problem before and after the law was given was no good judgement

“For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭

to solve the issue God would send the messiah his son to show light to the people

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus judgement is forever the same now he took it upon himself and sent it out for the world so this

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s not “ just another judgement” it’s this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you get that “ do not judge and condemn and you will not be judged and condemns by the actual judge of you and I both

doesn’t that make some sense ? God spoke and said if you believe what I’m saying you won’t be condemned but have come from death unti life ?

on the other hand if I choose to judge and condemn , I can expect to be judged and condemns myself but the thing is the person I condemned or judged lol that doesn’t apply my judgement doesn’t approve them or disapprove the. I’ve only judged my own self by that measure

the person I’m pointing at , they still have just the one judge like I do and his judgement is what offers eternal
Life so we’re supposed to conform to his judgement and accept it formoir own self first the. We can see clearly enough to tell someone else how to get right

like sharing Gods jidgement with them so when the angry mob of accusers come pointing at them they already understand they have but the one judge and his word will determine thier dalvsrion of damnation based on their own response to his faith offered to all

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Peter

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-

 

[de-emerald]

“The scripture that says there for let us not Judge each other anymore is just another Judgement.”

it’s Christs judgement that’s the difference his judgements are Gods true and everlasting jidgements so if we want to know Gods truth we have to listen to Jesus judgement not assume it’s just another judgement

this is the worlds problem before and after the law was given was no good judgement

“For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭

to solve the issue God would send the messiah his son to show light to the people

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus judgement is forever the same now he took it upon himself and sent it out for the world so this

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s not “ just another judgement” it’s this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you get that “ do not judge and condemn and you will not be judged and condemns by the actual judge of you and I both

doesn’t that make some sense ? God spoke and said if you believe what I’m saying you won’t be condemned but have come from death unti life ?

on the other hand if I choose to judge and condemn , I can expect to be judged and condemns myself but the thing is the person I condemned or judged lol that doesn’t apply my judgement doesn’t approve them or disapprove the. I’ve only judged my own self by that measure

the person I’m pointing at , they still have just the one judge like I do and his judgement is what offers eternal
Life so we’re supposed to conform to his judgement and accept it formoir own self first the. We can see clearly enough to tell someone else how to get right

like sharing Gods jidgement with them so when the angry mob of accusers come pointing at them they already understand they have but the one judge and his word will determine thier dalvsrion of damnation based on their own response to his faith offered to all

Again all Judgements lol when i say Just another Judgement thats exactly what it is. Im not saying it doesnt mean anything as the Judgement of the spirit in you would like clarity for. So i now speak from Judgement of the spirit that is in me, to clarify to you that Judgement of the holy spirit is meaningful and not meaningless. Judge not and you shall not be Judged and condem not and ye shall not be condemed is for the man who doesnt Judge by the spirit, who takes Judgement into his own hands. For there is no condemnation in christ, For those who are in christ will not be condemed by christ they will be convicted.
If your Judgeing to condem a brother then you are not judging by the spirit. and you will be Judged for that.

The lord are God will test you through his Judgement and there is no way around that.
Again more Judgements tho. There is no getting around the Scripture that says the spirit inside you Judges all things.

Judgement does not stop once you have been born again, once you have been born again the spirit in side you will Judge all things. We now Judge rightouslessy by the Grace and all of Gods decrees that has been been bestowed in us.

If people knew theres is no way to avoid Judgement they would fear doing wrong more so. This fear dosent Just Go away once you become born again. nope once you become born again the fear of doing wrong increases. Theres no way to avoid Judgement no way what so ever. You can say you will not Judge a brother till the cows come home, and you can say Judge not and ye wont be judged and condem not and ye wont be condemed till your blue in the face. You can shout that all day long until your voice goes. but Judgement will remain in all scripture. and the spirit in you will continue to Judge good works and bad works.

Lets look at Judgeing good works. well you could apply Good works and mean that to be a christian. So you could call a christian Good works. The spirit will still Judge Good works and still Judge the christian. and that would apply to spirit in me Judging your intensions of Good Judging and mine.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Again all Judgements lol when i say Just another Judgement thats exactly what it is. Im not saying it doesnt mean anything as the Judgement of the spirit in you would like clarity for. So i now speak from Judgement of the spirit that is in me, to clarify to you that Judgement of the holy spirit is meaningful and not meaningless. Judge not and you shall not be Judged and condem not and ye shall not be condemed is for the man who doesnt Judge by the spirit, who takes Judgement into his own hands. For there is no condemnation in christ, For those who are in christ will not be condemed by christ they will be convicted.
If your Judgeing to condem a brother then you are not judging by the spirit. and you will be Judged for that.

The lord are God will test you through his Judgement and there is no way around that.
Again more Judgements tho. There is no getting around the Scripture that says the spirit inside you Judges all things.

Judgement does not stop once you have been born again, once you have been born again the spirit in side you will Judge all things. We now Judge rightouslessy by the Grace and all of Gods decrees that has been been bestowed in us.

If people knew theres is no way to avoid Judgement they would fear doing wrong more so. This fear dosent Just Go away once you become born again. nope once you become born again the fear of doing wrong increases. Theres no way to avoid Judgement no way what so ever. You can say you will not Judge a brother till the cows come home, and you can say Judge not and ye wont be judged and condem not and ye wont be condemed till your blue in the face. You can shout that all day long until your voice goes. but Judgement will remain in all scripture. and the spirit in you will continue to Judge good works and bad works.

Lets look at Judgeing good works. well you could apply Good works and mean that to be a christian. So you could call a christian Good works. The spirit will still Judge Good works and still Judge the christian. and that would apply to spirit in me Judging your intensions of Good Judging and mine.

yeah lol we’re definately going in circles so I digress but appreciate the time and friendly nature hope to find some agreement elsewhere

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty much gonna not judge others ever and gonna do My best avoid bieng religious like these folk and calling it spiritual when the spirit was rebuking them

“And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭



“And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat. And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:37-38‬

“And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:39‬ ‭

“For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?”

‭‭James‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In gonna a stick with what Jesus said and avoid being like those folk i for better in this crowd they were pointing at

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I still am in the crowd there so I gotta stick with what her said just ny own personal belief but Thanks sincerely for the talk it’s always pleasant when no one calls names and such even in disagreement

 

[de-emerald]

yeah lol we’re definately going in circles so I digress but appreciate the time and friendly nature hope to find some agreement elsewhere

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty much gonna not judge others ever and gonna do My best avoid bieng religious like these folk and calling it spiritual when the spirit was rebuking them

Well romans 10:17 is Good Judgement.

The spirit in me would like clarity, your asking the question am i fit to judge other christians, and then your going to make the statement im pretty much not going to Judge christians ever, and then your going to call people who Judge others religous, and then your going to call your Judgement spiritual rightous rebuking ? and nothing to do with religion.

Christianity is a religion of faith is it not ?

 

[de-emerald]

Theres a lack of understanding of scripture here concerning Judgement and it is this.
Most of what Jesus spoke to people in the bible to people concerning Judgeing was befor Jesus went to the cross and befor people had recieved the spirit. This means that man would often Judge without being ordained to Judge or Judge incorrectly because they where not Judging by the spirit of christ.

That man would Judge by there own spirit and condem by there own standards.

This no longer applies when you recieve the spirit which means exactly what Jesus said for the spirit will Judge all things

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

This is a good sound doctrin it doesnt faulter

 

[Lanolin]

um all the people posting in this thread probably need to go back and read the entire book of JUDGES

and then come back and discuss it.
One thing I found interesting, and maybe i need to do some more research about, is why did the Israelites not obey God and DRIVE out the inhabitants that were already there.
It seemed God wanted them to throw down the altars to other gods and then they would leave. But they didnt they made friends (or leagues) with them instead. I dont know how they would have driven then out (my bible version does not really explain what DRIVE OUT means. ) But where would they have gone. I dont know. The canaanites then stayed to be thorns in their sides and their gods a snare to them.

when we become christians isnt the first thing we do after being baptised is cast out any demons that are harassing us. Because having them stay there with us is not going to work. right? so if you have truly repented you would have got rid of your other gods and idols right, whether they be...porn, occult, money, drugs, whatever. You would have thrown them down and chucked them away. But if you still kept them, how can you continue in your christian walk holding on to things that will be a snare to you?

 

[de-emerald]

Take on board what has just been wrote up above in my last post and address all the scriptures posted about people Judging. first one posted

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

Here you see Jesus speaking to people about Judging befor he had Gone to the cross.
Theese people had not yet recieved The spirit.
Theese people where not Judging with mercy For that Judgment they where being told not to Judge and where being told they where not in a possition to Judge. On the flip side people who have recieved the spirit, the spirit in them will Judge with mercy. The spiritual man is now in a possition to Judge the spirit Judges all things

But your Judgement will still be Judged. Judge not and you wont be Judged no longer applies here. failing to pass on Judgement of the holy spirit here will be a stumbling block

Next Judgement posted
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

Ok Jesus again speaking to people who where Judging befor he had Gone to the cross.
When you recieve the spirit you recieve the spirit of the son. You recieve a manifestation Of Gods grace. which include the father the son and the spirit. All Judgement thats comes out of you should for most part should come from the son, you have passed from death to life. there is no condemantion your Judgement should be rich in mercy when Judging openly from your mouth. But the same rule apllies your Judgement will still be Judged. Judge not and you wont be Judged no longer applies to the man who recieves the spirit the spirit in you Judges all things.

Your Judgement could still be wrong as where not perfect.

why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”

You see where being told to Judge with mercy again, let us not put a stumbling block in front of each other. and being to told to Judge each other that way.

A brother was Judging a brother the wrong way here. The brother was not Judging the brother by the spirit. so let us not Judge one another anymore this way.

Why do you Judge me you means eaxactly what it says, why do you Judge me personaly when you know it should be by the spirit.
You know it is the spirit in you that Judges. why are you taking Judgement into your own hands.

Same rule applies Judge not by your own Judgement and you wont be Judged. Judge and you will be Judged. Judge by the spirit and the Judgement will be sound.
Judge correctly by the spirit and Your Judgement will be of sound mind with sober Judgement.

You see a brother stumbling and you get the calling to pass Judgement from the spirit you call, you dont call then you are a stumbling block.

 

[de-emerald]

um all the people posting in this thread probably need to go back and read the entire book of JUDGES

and then come back and discuss it.
One thing I found interesting, and maybe i need to do some more research about, is why did the Israelites not obey God and DRIVE out the inhabitants that were already there.
It seemed God wanted them to throw down the altars to other gods and then they would leave. But they didnt they made friends (or leagues) with them instead. I dont know how they would have driven then out (my bible version does not really explain what DRIVE OUT means. ) But where would they have gone. I dont know. The canaanites then stayed to be thorns in their sides and their gods a snare to them.

when we become christians isnt the first thing we do after being baptised is cast out any demons that are harassing us. Because having them stay there with us is not going to work. right? so if you have truly repented you would have got rid of your other gods and idols right, whether they be...porn, occult, money, drugs, whatever. You would have thrown them down and chucked them away. But if you still kept them, how can you continue in your christian walk holding on to things that will be a snare to you?

same rules applies here Judge and you will be judged. all judgement will be Judged.
By the sound of it Your not a afraid to judge. Thats why i say Judge and you will be Judged. Judge not you wont be Judged doesnt apply here, How can i possibly not Judge what you have wrote here. how can the spirit ignor Judgement and not judge what needs to be Judged. The spirit in you will allways Judge and know its judgement will be Judged.

 

[Edify]

Paul judged the situation because he was an appointed apostle and given the authority to do so .

Paul’s rebuke was for the entire church because they approved of and gloried in what the man had done marrying his fathers wife the church was proud of him so Paul made the judgement they cast him out and repent because the mans son spread to them bybtrhier approval

one thing to note is the jidgement oaul made he later revoked and commanded that they accept the man because the church had been made sorry by Paul the apostle and appointed judge over there rebuke to them all Paul was in a position to judge those he had birthed into the gospel but he clearly taught the believers nOt to pass judgement on the other believers of a situation like that arose in our church the leaders of the church would then be forced to make a judgement by the spirit.

Paul said what he said in the first letter but then he shows that even he an apostle had agonized over his judgement he passed

“For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and had revoked it because of thier repentance in the church

“But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness. For if I make you sorry, who is he then that maketh me glad, but the same which is made sorry by me?

For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you. But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all. Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭2:1-2, 4-8‬

it was an agonizing thing for Paul to
Pass that particular jidgement on the whole group but it caused them to repent so we take the same care when we pass judgement as the apostle agonizingly did ?

the thing is oaul is an apostle and was himself grieved judging others he wasn’t boasting about his right to judge even though he had it like we don’t he loved them forst with a true Godly love

The corinthian church didn't throw the guy out, instead they dealt with him & he repented & was restored.
So, yes the church judged him.

Proverbs 31:9 ESV
Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Galatians 6:1 ESV
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

1 Corinthians 5:12 ESV
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

1 Corinthians 6:2 ESV
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?

Christian reproof is commanded in the scriptures.