A Possible few Reasons Science might be interested in the Genesis Chapter One account

[TheLearner]

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[TheLearner]

the big issue with the GAP theory (and I promoted it for decades) is that you have death before sin.

I now see Gen 1 as the main statement (God created the heavens and the earth)

Gen 2 and beyond is an in detail telling of How God did what he stated in verse 1.

God created the earth and the heavens for his creation (man) hence he created it in an aged state. When man was created, the heavens and the earth were working as designed so that man could use them to do what God created them to do.

In Digestion, something in our body dies everyday. Otherwise, we would drown in them.

"The digestive system helps the body digest food. The diagram shows the main parts of the digestive system including the areas most likely to be affected by CD or UC. Bacteria in the GI tract, also called gut flora or microbiome, help with digestion. " google results.

 

[TheLearner]

read to here

 

[AandW]

Prove that God dictated the words to Moses. I have been trying to convince others here that it was seven days of direct revelation.

Genesis 1:20 Then God said, “Let the water be filled with many living things,

We can definitely look at the fact Noah is Abraham's great Grandfather and would have taught Abraham like a Grandfather would do. That knowledge would be passed unto both Ismael and Issac, and Isaac passes it to Esau and Jacob, who passed it to Jacobs sons who eventually became Egyptian Slaves. Noah's knowledge would have been kept among the Hebrew People in Egypt. But God personally told Moses the Law. Moses wrote the Law down. And He wrote the Torah that includes God's Beginning...[Moses] was with God so much when he went down to the people he kept cover because his skin glowed bright.

That much time to spend with God for days, weeks, couple months per time and to think it's not possible that God described His Creation to Moses doesn't seem unreasonable to consider.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Death before sin is certainly true. Adam and Even were threatened with death before they sinned and they were afraid of it, so death was clearly a concept. It's just that none of us have much information about the heavens and earth in 1:2 so you can't really say it was created in an aged state. Nobody knows.

Thing is, I'm not here to defend gap theory, but rather to suggest that it's a concept, I guess, that science or those inclined to understand science would have a better understanding of. It's not that I couldn't believe God thought all our universe into existence, because I can knowing His infinite power. But to help those without my particular faith, this theory of a gap of time from the true beginning to a time when God created this earth as it has become now fits scientifically and helps with our mission of bringing others to faith in Him. It helped me.

Yes, they were threatened with it, but until that time, there was no death, the fall of man is what caused death

the gap helped me also. Until I studied a different view, and found out how flawed it was. And how we do not need it to explain science,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which isn't an issue since death was possible before sin because God made all life forms mortal. When sin came to be, the second death also was possible. That's the type of death that sin is associated with not the first death of a mortal life form.

Please show me this in scripture

 

[AandW]

To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:

29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every seed bearing herb, which is upon the surface of the entire earth, and every tree that has seed bearing fruit; it will be yours for food.

God answers the question how this thread began, the Earth in Genesis is loaded with every seed bearing herb which is surface of the earth level.

 

[ewq1938]

Please show me this in scripture

You will need to read the whole bible in order to learn all life forms were created mortal thus death is a natural part of being alive. There isn't just a verse or two that make this clear.

What is not found in the bible is that physical death did not exist until after Adam sinned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You will need to read the whole bible in order to learn all life forms were created mortal thus death is a natural part of being alive. There isn't just a verse or two that make this clear.

What is not found in the bible is that physical death did not exist until after Adam sinned.

Ah, so you have no scripture, that’s what I thought

all creation was created perfect, it was not until the fall that death occurred

Adam was told if he ate of the tree, he would die, the Bible is about what happened after the fall, that’s why you see so Much death in scripture, it’s the result of the fall

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If people want to understand science,

research Noahs flood, because most science can be explained by that,

 

[AandW]

You will need to read the whole bible in order to learn all life forms were created mortal thus death is a natural part of being alive. There isn't just a verse or two that make this clear.

What is not found in the bible is that physical death did not exist until after Adam sinned.

You are deducting.
You are basically saying, why would God waste time warning Adam of [Death], any form of [Death], to someone who is unaware of what Death is.

And you can deduct this, by knowing from human life and all life, creation begins, life is born, life dies. And the cycle of repeats itself in a multitude of examples we can observe ourselves.

But that would be interesting, that the form of Adam before God breathed into his nostrils, was a mold of a body capable of till God's Earth, but when He breathed into Adam and his organs began to function, his mind had a complete alphabet {he does NAME all of God's Creation} and possibly his mind was already understanding the concept of Death.

And this could be 1 of 2 things.

You believe from a Creation before Adam
Or
God planted that knowledge including a full alphabet with knowledge to look at God's Creation and be able to recognize its function to name it properly.


I would put those idealism's into the Category of being Researchable for More Definitive Answers!

 

[ewq1938]

Ah, so you have no scripture, that’s what I thought

Wrong. I have ALL of scripture that supports that God created life as mortal ie: to die.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wrong. I have ALL of scripture that supports that God created life as mortal ie: to die.

Then show me one

 

[ewq1938]

Then show me one

I'll show several from one chapter that Paul wrote:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam was in the natural body which is mortal NOT the spiritual body which is immortal.

A natural body is intended to die and be raised a spiritual body. Paul knew Adam was not created immortal because he says the first man was made "natural" which was a natural body as opposed to the "spiritual body" which is immortal. The very idea that Adam was created in a natural and mortal body would have been foreign to Paul and any of the disciples.



1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.


1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The first man Adam was earthy. That is another way of saying he was mortal.

1Pe_1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

This speaks of the flesh made from the dust, intended to wither away.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


This does not only apply post fall because Paul is using Adam as the example of the first man who was Earthly, having a "natural body" as opposed to a "spiritual body". Verse 46 makes it clear Adam was NOT in the spiritual body when he was created! This is evidence that Adam was in a mortal, natural, earthly body and NOT in a heavenly, super natural, spiritual body.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll show several from one chapter that Paul wrote:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam was in the natural body which is mortal NOT the spiritual body which is immortal.

A natural body is intended to die and be raised a spiritual body. Paul knew Adam was not created immortal because he says the first man was made "natural" which was a natural body as opposed to the "spiritual body" which is immortal. The very idea that Adam was created in a natural and mortal body would have been foreign to Paul and any of the disciples.



1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.


1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


The first man Adam was earthy. That is another way of saying he was mortal.

1Pe_1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

This speaks of the flesh made from the dust, intended to wither away.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.


This does not only apply post fall because Paul is using Adam as the example of the first man who was Earthly, having a "natural body" as opposed to a "spiritual body". Verse 46 makes it clear Adam was NOT in the spiritual body when he was created! This is evidence that Adam was in a mortal, natural, earthly body and NOT in a heavenly, super natural, spiritual body.

Adam was the first man, after the fall,

nothing you posted here would be possible if the fall never happened, adam was created a spiritual being, his spirit died the moment he sinned, and 900 some years later his body died, just as Jesus said would happen.

in the day you eat, dieing you would die

adams physical body started to die only after he sinned,

you still have not shown me pre sin where death was going to happen?

it was not supposed to be that way, death is a result of sin

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Thank You, but I actually was not making that point of view you just explained and I would definitely agree with you. But what I am saying, God said to the [Water] Bring Forth. It reads then that [Water] obeyed and brought forth a multitude of Life.

Another point, dust comes from the Earth itself. a good rain and dust become top soil. A few more cycles and your ground becomes healthy. It literally can renew itself. It's all connected. But I can understand how you could see that was what I meant.

That is exactly what you said.


"Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle"

 

[AandW]

That is exactly what you said.


"Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle"

I believe it is clear, When God thought about it before speaking it into existence, He considered everything it would require to fulfill His plan in a couple more days. To which when He said to ... it brought forth every type of fish, lizard, snail, eel, worm, larvae, microbes and it brought forth because it had seed that was purposefully covering its surface.

 

[ewq1938]

Adam was the first man, after the fall,

nothing you posted here would be possible if the fall never happened, adam was created a spiritual being,

That's not what scripture says about him. He was not made in a spiritual body. I posted the verse that says that. Since you won't listen to scripture, there is no point to continue past this last reply.

his spirit died the moment he sinned, and 900 some years later his body died, just as Jesus said would happen.

And his physical death was unrelated to his sin. He was mortal and was alwauys going to die unless he ate from the tree of life and become immortal...which did not happen.

adams physical body started to die only after he sinned,

Nope, he was created mortal, of the Earth and dying and returning to tejh Earth was the natural way God made him and the rest of living things.

you still have not shown me pre sin where death was going to happen?

I showed you Adam was created mortal, that proves death was in place at the beginning.

it was not supposed to be that way, death is a result of sin

You keep confusing spiritual death with physical death. Sin doesn't cause physical death. Adam died of old age, but he died spiritually the day he sinned.

 

[Rondonmon]

So you accept the Theory of the Big Bang and the Microwave Spectrum we view from, the Spark of Life to the Universe still expanding. And your View is Earth went through a process to get to the point is was Earth and Water sitting on top. And this amount of time you've calculated, from Blast to first period of light, Earth is sitting in this condition "for a purpose of God's Plan" and becoming a host to a number [we probably don't know to even exist] counts for the microorganism's and bacteria's.

From what ever God chose to do, from His initial Moment choosing to Create His Viewpoint of life [that includes a Vast Universe, Life on a Planet where God Himself would come and die to bring Salvation], when God did it, that was the Bang?

Interesting Idealism for sure.

God spoke existence of this universe into being, thus they had to be POWER TRANSITION, nothing comes from nothing. A lot of people say, well if this universe was created for mankind, who is it so large, but via the very laws of nature, that derive from God, the universe had to be those exact size in order to have come into being at all.

SIZE MATTERS (partial story By Richard Deem)

Besides spiritual reasons, there are also physical constraints on the minimum (and maximum) mass of the universe. The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.

Likewise, the universe could not have been a much more massive than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10/59 more massive, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10/80 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10/21 baryons (at 1.67x10−27 kg/baryon equals 1.7 mg of matter - equal to a grain of sand) would have made life impossible!

The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

The Universe is 13.7 Billion years old, that's a fact, not idealism sir. We can understand that by simply using the laws of nature, light has a constant time of travel, this we can measure all of these things and calculate them against these laws of nature. god created the laws of nature, God, however, is from outside our Universe, thus He has no need of ever being created, this God is Eternal.

 

[Huckleberry]

When God speaks, matter obeys.