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rogerg

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tourist said:
t states right in the verse you provided in Genesis 2:9 that God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This is collaborated in the first chapter of John .
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I don't think so. To have been created by God I believe it had to be a fruit good for food, which it definitely was not.

[Gen 2:9 KJV]
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

tourist said:
ohn 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
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Actually (and I'm sure this will generate controversy), I think the tree of the knowledge of good and evil WAS Satan himself and
the tree of life WAS Christ Himself. God did create Satan (as He created everything that was created), but didn't place him into the garden -- that was Satan's doing. I think they were portrayed as trees in order to serve as metaphors.

[Mat 7:16, 18 KJV]
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? ...
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[Mat 7:20 KJV]
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[Jhn 8:44 KJV]
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[Mar 8:23-25 KJV]
23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
 
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On temptation

James 1:13

the plot thickens....
 
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tourist said:
I fully concur with your estimation.
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[Jhn 8:44 KJV]
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 
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rogerg said:
I don't think so. To have been created by God I believe it had to be a fruit good for food, which it definitely was not.

[Gen 2:9 KJV]
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



Actually (and I'm sure this will generate controversy), I think the tree of the knowledge of good and evil WAS Satan himself and
the tree of life WAS Christ Himself. God did create Satan (as He created everything that was created), but didn't place him into the garden -- that was Satan's doing. I think they were portrayed as trees in order to serve as metaphors.

[Mat 7:16, 18 KJV]
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? ...
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[Mat 7:20 KJV]
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[Jhn 8:44 KJV]
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[Mar 8:23-25 KJV]
23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
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[Gen 2:9 KJV]
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Since I didn't do well explaining my thoughts on GEn 2:9, in my previous post... I will make a fresh attempt. I read it as the following:

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food (I would place a period here except that a period wouldn't be appropriate because then it would render that clause a complete statement. which then would render your initial argument that, "To have been created by God I believe it had to be a fruit good for food," absolutely valid, but... that statement, "And out of the ground made the LORD to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food," is place with a conjunctive clause? (help me English grammar teachers) that joins it with other things to include with those trees pleasant to the sight and good for food but that are not, exactly, all "that God created."

Also, I don't know whether it is generating controversy but, considering satan is created, and Jesus was, is, and always will be, uncreated, it will take me a bigger minute to try and totally understand the idea that Satan is the tree of knowledge and Christ is the tree of life.
 
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Mem said:
Also, I don't know whether it is generating controversy but, considering satan is created, and Jesus was, is, and always will be, uncreated, it will take me a bigger minute to try and totally understand the idea that Satan is the tree of knowledge and Christ is the tree of life.
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Where do you read these trees were created? I read that, except for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were "planted"

[Gen 2:8 KJV] 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

[Pro 11:30 KJV] 30 The fruit of the righteous [is] a tree of life; and he that winneth souls [is] wise.

[Phl 1:11 KJV] 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
 
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Mem said:
English grammar teachers) that joins it with other things to include with those trees pleasant to the sight and good for food but that are not, exactly, all "that God created."[/QUOTE


I think the Bible informs us that all trees that were pleasant to the sight and good for food WERE planted by God. I could be wrong but
I don't see that another option is possible.

BTW I realize I probably used the word "created" when I shouldn't have. I was careless because I was focused on making my primary point and not
being precise enough with my word choice - my mistake - sorry, hope i didn't confuse you
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I live in a former apple orchard. It all got cut down to make way for houses. (one orchard got subdivided into over 100 sections)

I planted 3 apples trees in our section a couple of years ago. I have a fig in a pot that we have nowhere to plant because there is no more room to plant anything. The residences replanted some native forst near the creek in th reserve.

I have been behind cutting down some trees...Privet because it causes allergies. However privet can be used in medicine apparently, it prevents hepatitis and cancer, though it makes me sneeze awful.

Otherwise there arent that many forbidden FRUIT trees, though some people dislike the taiwanese cherry since it self seeds everywhere, but the tuis adore it. I would leave them be and let the birds have those fruits.
Loquat is also apparently banned from sale too self seeds but the fruits are delicious. Sometimes councils are a bit short sighted on what trees and shrubs they allow and disallow and claim they are trying to protect native species. But actually exotic species provides habitat and food for natives as well its not like natives exclusively live off native trees.

If a trees has poisonous fruit maybe its WOOD is useful for something, althougn nobody has ever said what trees wood the cross Jesus died on was made of.
 
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