A Possible few Reasons Science might be interested in the Genesis Chapter One account

[Huckleberry]

To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:

So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.

I disagree with your entire premise, and you seem to lack understanding of Genesis itself.
Genesis consists of several (I forget the exact number, but I think eleven) different narratives,
each demarcated by a variation on the phrase "These are the generations of......."
Every time that phrase appears, the person named in the phrase is the only
one who would have direct knowledge of what precedes the phrase,
I.e., the person named in the phrase wrote the portion preceding the phrase.
Moses is traditionally credited with writing Genesis, but that notion's absurd.
He more likely compiled and edited the book, but in no way could've written it.

Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science,
should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

"Science", as you've characterized it, doesn't exist.
It's not a cohesive body that wants to "do" anything.
There are two kinds of science: "hard" science, and "soft" science.
Outside of physics and chemistry (I.e., those which can
be shown mathematically), every so-called science is "soft".
Hard science is incontrovertible.
Everything else is subject to modification.
So-called "scientists" who embrace a natural explanation for the existence
of the universe are logically stunted, and intellectually dishonest.
They're hiding from God as a child who covers his eyes and thinks he's invisible.

 

[iamsoandso]

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-15.htm the first thing on his mind was your savior...

 

[AandW]

God spoke existence of this universe into being, thus they had to be POWER TRANSITION, nothing comes from nothing. A lot of people say, well if this universe was created for mankind, who is it so large, but via the very laws of nature, that derive from God, the universe had to be those exact size in order to have come into being at all.

SIZE MATTERS (partial story By Richard Deem)

Besides spiritual reasons, there are also physical constraints on the minimum (and maximum) mass of the universe. The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.

Likewise, the universe could not have been a much more massive than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10/59 more massive, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10/80 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10/21 baryons (at 1.67x10−27 kg/baryon equals 1.7 mg of matter - equal to a grain of sand) would have made life impossible!

The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

The Universe is 13.7 Billion years old, that's a fact, not idealism sir. We can understand that by simply using the laws of nature, light has a constant time of travel, this we can measure all of these things and calculate them against these laws of nature. god created the laws of nature, God, however, is from outside our Universe, thus He has no need of ever being created, this God is Eternal.

So, based upon [Volume] of specific Black Matter, the Universe required a nuclear chain reaction to provide more resources supplying a balance, and the added weight of baryon in place of protons.

And from this nuclear chain reaction, we're able to trace the Microwave Spectrum as light travel and use it as a measurement of length of travel.

Was this knowledge gained from what can be observed from the Book of Genesis or elsewhere?
I am interested in how your mathematical Formula was set in order to conclude these averages were being calculated precisely to quantum physics, not mechanics.

 

[Rondonmon]

So, based upon [Volume] of specific Black Matter, the Universe required a nuclear chain reaction to provide more resources supplying a balance, and the added weight of baryon in place of protons.

And from this nuclear chain reaction, we're able to trace the Microwave Spectrum as light travel and use it as a measurement of length of travel.

Was this knowledge gained from what can be observed from the Book of Genesis or elsewhere?
I am interested in how your mathematical Formula was set in order to conclude these averages were being calculated precisely to quantum physics, not mechanics.

You seem to be here to try and confuse others. I understand the Universe is old, not young. I understand the first day lasted 9.2 billion years. I understand God's creation story is from His viewpoint, we weren't there. ll Science is is a journey from the unknown to the known and God knows everything. Thus His creation story in Genesis covers 13.7 billion years. I will let you figure out the nuances.

I could go on all day and your objective seems to try to confuse others. There is nothing to be confused about, God created the Universe of a 13.7 billion year period. He ceased creating 6000 years ago when He created mankind. There are no humans older than that, they were animals without God's IMPARTED Spirit that made us IMMORTAL BEINGS. Thus in Genesis when God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit said LET US.......Make man in OUR IMAGE..........and in OUR LIKENESS........... That is when God placed his spirit into men, before that all "MEN" were just animals.

God says you have to have Faith in order to be considered Righteous. There s always a point where faith meets acts. One day we will know everything God knows. Now, many start out in Faith, the come to know God, in so doing He reveals things unto us when we die we will know all these things instantaneously, at least when we are revived from the grave where we sleep. Until then some people like me can see how everything is explained in Genesis, and in the book of REvelation, and some people can't. It s what it is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's not what scripture says about him. He was not made in a spiritual body. I posted the verse that says that. Since you won't listen to scripture, there is no point to continue past this last reply.

adam was not born spiritually dead, he was born spiritually alive, he was not born with a body that was perishing, as God said, in the day you eat, dying you will die

your right, there is no point continuing, yu have not proven their was death before the fall. But you can believe the penalty of sin occurred before the fall all you want, it does not make it so

as I have shown, science can be answered by the global flood. we can not look at anything pre flood, because the earth that was perished, carbon dating is pointless because it must be taken that all things are as they were since the begining, but the only ones who were there was noah and his family and they did not tell us. So we must be careful and do as Peter says and heed his warning


2 Peter 3: 3-4
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,and saying, “Where is the promise ofHis coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation

and he told us in the warning what they forgot,

2 Peter 3: 5-7
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.

Science rejects a worldwide flood, and they use their science to try to prove an old earth because In order for the earth to do what we see had to have taken billions of years (mt st Helen’s created a Grand Canyon type formation in hours in what science says would take a river thousands or millions of years to do, just like the Grand Canyon was formed in days as the flood waters receded, whereas science wants yu to believe a river ran uphill in order to carve it out in millions of years.and people buy it because it “must be so”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You seem to be here to try and confuse others. I understand the Universe is old, not young. I understand the first day lasted 9.2 billion years. I understand God's creation story is from His viewpoint, we weren't there. ll Science is is a journey from the unknown to the known and God knows everything. Thus His creation story in Genesis covers 13.7 billion years. I will let you figure out the nuances.

I could go on all day and your objective seems to try to confuse others. There is nothing to be confused about, God created the Universe of a 13.7 billion year period. He ceased creating 6000 years ago when He created mankind. There are no humans older than that, they were animals without God's IMPARTED Spirit that made us IMMORTAL BEINGS. Thus in Genesis when God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit said LET US.......Make man in OUR IMAGE..........and in OUR LIKENESS........... That is when God placed his spirit into men, before that all "MEN" were just animals.

God says you have to have Faith in order to be considered Righteous. There s always a point where faith meets acts. One day we will know everything God knows. Now, many start out in Faith, the come to know God, in so doing He reveals things unto us when we die we will know all these things instantaneously, at least when we are revived from the grave where we sleep. Until then some people like me can see how everything is explained in Genesis, and in the book of REvelation, and some people can't. It s what it is.

I am confused

God said the Evening and the morning were the first day.

and it is supposed to in reality be 9.2 billion years?

am I misunderstanding you?

 

[AandW]

I disagree with your entire premise, and you seem to lack understanding of Genesis itself.
Genesis consists of several (I forget the exact number, but I think eleven) different narratives,
each demarcated by a variation on the phrase "These are the generations of......."
Every time that phrase appears, the person named in the phrase is the only
one who would have direct knowledge of what precedes the phrase,
I.e., the person named in the phrase wrote the portion preceding the phrase.
Moses is traditionally credited with writing Genesis, but that notion's absurd.
He more likely compiled and edited the book, but in no way could've written it.

Every Narrative seems to add more to the puzzle, agreed. But I am talking about how God planted seed {where it is NOT found anywhere from Genesis to Revelation} but we read that seed was in the condition we find in Scripture. Not sure, but you seem to picturing the whole of all the information. I am only discussing a few key questions that provide clearer answers.

"Science", as you've characterized it, doesn't exist.
It's not a cohesive body that wants to "do" anything.
There are two kinds of science: "hard" science, and "soft" science.
Outside of physics and chemistry (I.e., those which can
be shown mathematically), every so-called science is "soft".
Hard science is incontrovertible.
Everything else is subject to modification.
So-called "scientists" who embrace a natural explanation for the existence
of the universe are logically stunted, and intellectually dishonest.
They're hiding from God as a child who covers his eyes and thinks he's invisible.

I do not promote Science in any way.
But how they go about looking for answers, by finding questions, they've never asked before, is valuable.
I want to ask the questions that shows in these Verses I can ask. So, I ask them to see if others have thought about these Verses similar, or, can add to more meaning about these Verses.

I definitely appreciate your feedback!
I think you were definitely unaware of what I was attempting here.
Getting answers towards the Word of God only enlightens the truth because you are searching only from the Word of God, in order to find more answers from the Word of God!
That to me, is the [perfect] Science!

 

[AandW]

You seem to be here to try and confuse others. I understand the Universe is old, not young. I understand the first day lasted 9.2 billion years. I understand God's creation story is from His viewpoint, we weren't there. ll Science is is a journey from the unknown to the known and God knows everything. Thus His creation story in Genesis covers 13.7 billion years. I will let you figure out the nuances.

I could go on all day and your objective seems to try to confuse others. There is nothing to be confused about, God created the Universe of a 13.7 billion year period. He ceased creating 6000 years ago when He created mankind. There are no humans older than that, they were animals without God's IMPARTED Spirit that made us IMMORTAL BEINGS. Thus in Genesis when God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit said LET US.......Make man in OUR IMAGE..........and in OUR LIKENESS........... That is when God placed his spirit into men, before that all "MEN" were just animals.

God says you have to have Faith in order to be considered Righteous. There s always a point where faith meets acts. One day we will know everything God knows. Now, many start out in Faith, the come to know God, in so doing He reveals things unto us when we die we will know all these things instantaneously, at least when we are revived from the grave where we sleep. Until then some people like me can see how everything is explained in Genesis, and in the book of REvelation, and some people can't. It s what it is.

I am not trying to confuse, I am reading the words you type, and from those words, attempt to get a better understanding of your view. If I type it out and it is wrong, I am expecting your next response is to correct or confirm. And then what you re-add, that will fill more voids to your viewpoint.

All I believe I was saying towards your viewpoint, is that you appear to side with Science in many ways. Especially, from the part of the Bang until 13.7 billion years later, when God is seen in Genesis as the Spirit of God hovering over the surface in Verse 2. And from after the Creation of Adam, the rest of time has covered close to 6,000 years.

Definitely is Interesting to consider

 

[Hungry]

The one example I do find that can be similar to a Scientific explanation from the Bible itself would be when God told

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?



(2) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Is this telling us earth understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the earth full of cattle, reptiles, mammals and sort?



(3) But it changes up here:

and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

God directly tells the open firmament to bring forth fowl.



Before, in the first 2 examples, God tells the land and water to bring forth and then we read on and see what was brought forth. But in the 3rd example, God is identifying what creation He wants to come forth before Commanding, "Do!"



But the purpose I find most informative, is "both" the earth and water knew what to bring forth.

I believe this Verse explains that a bit more.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:



So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.



And then God uses earth full of these (seeds), to create man, by forming man from the earth itself.





Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science, should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

When I see the Creation Story, I see an “embryo”. All of the information that develops according to the program in the DNA. Each stage of development is dependent on the previous. What the godless force themselves to see is that it is evolution rather than design.

 

[AandW]

When I see the Creation Story, I see an “embryo”. All of the information that develops according to the program in the DNA. Each stage of development is dependent on the previous. What the godless force themselves to see is that it is evolution rather than design.

So, how the Verses explains [the seeds of life are on the earth's surface] is your way of applying DNA.
It is definitely by Design

 

[ewq1938]

adam was not born spiritually dead, he was born spiritually alive, he was not born with a body that was perishing, as God said, in the day you eat, dying you will die

Yet he did not die physically on that day. He did die spiritually and that's what the verse is talking about. Adam was not immortal and sinning did not cause him to become mortal and begin to age. He was created mortal and I have proven that using scripture.

(mt st Helen’s created a Grand Canyon type formation in hours in what science says would take a river thousands or millions of years to do

Pure made up non-sense. I live near that mountain and have hiked on and inside of it and it did not create "a Grand Canyon type formation in hours".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yet he did not die physically on that day. He did die spiritually and that's what the verse is talking about. Adam was not immortal and sinning did not cause him to become mortal and begin to age. He was created mortal and I have proven that using scripture.

he died spiritually on that day, and his body started to die physically on that day

adam would still be alive today if he did not sin

death is the penalty of sin, what part of that do you not understand?

Pure made up non-sense. I live near that mountain and have hiked on and inside of it and it did not create "a Grand Canyon type formation in hours".

Yeah I guess all the news reports and all the photos and documentaries of the “little Grand Canyon” of mt saint helens are just a figment of my imagination

this just proves nothing will change your mind, keep believing the way you do no sweat of my back good day sir

 

[ewq1938]

he died spiritually on that day, and his body started to die physically on that day

No, he was aging and would eventually die before he sinned because he was created as a mortal human.

adam would still be alive today if he did not sin

No, he still would have died if he hadn't sinned.

death is the penalty of sin, what part of that do you not understand?

It's you that doesn't understand it. The second death is the penalty of sin, not the first death. The first death is a natural end of a mortal living thing. Bugs, and trees and animals and humans die but this is unrelated to sins.

 

[AandW]

When I see the Creation Story, I see an “embryo”. All of the information that develops according to the program in the DNA. Each stage of development is dependent on the previous. What the godless force themselves to see is that it is evolution rather than design.

Do you see this embryo beginning at which Moment, the Bang, God Spoke, the Command to Let There Be Light?
Like God programmed the Earth, Water to bring forth life programmed into it.
Man and other life forms became perfect DNA experiments.
And the programs are passed through [its own kind] from generation to generation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, he was aging and would eventually die before he sinned because he was created as a mortal human.
.

he was told he would die if he ate.




No, he still would have died if he hadn't sinned.




It's you that doesn't understand it. The second death is the penalty of sin, not the first death. The first death is a natural end of a mortal living thing. Bugs, and trees and animals and humans die but this is unrelated to sins.

spiritual death is the penalty of sin, not the second death, that is the final penalty for those who reject Christ. It’s why we are born dead and need to be born again

sickness and death (physical) are results of sin, it was not supposed to be that way

as usual, we will not come to an agreement, so I will move on,

good day

 

[Hungry]

Do you see this embryo beginning at which Moment, the Bang, God Spoke, the Command to Let There Be Light?
Like God programmed the Earth, Water to bring forth life programmed into it.
Man and other life forms became perfect DNA experiments.
And the programs are passed through [its own kind] from generation to generation.

When I see the universe, it has order and balance. This is the Logos. Earth is no different. Humans and living things are no different. There is balance, a sustaining force. In the body it is homeostasis. It self regulates. Nature does the same thing with eco systems. The fall of man threw off the balance. Whether the soul structures the DNA to create the individual or the DNA sequence births the soul is unclear. What is clear is that from the spark of life all of the information of what will be a person is predetermined. Just as the Earth with its life forms, we have cells and hormones that are regulated by organs and glands that appear “alive”. Humans in this scenario are like cancer in the world. We reproduce and consume uncontrollably “offline” of the natural program. The planet is diseased because of us. Whether nature was engineered as separate species who were woven in sequence to create our world or whether it was like DNA with all species being part of the larger whole, the fact remains there is a sustaining balance seen by scientists who recognize a frequency (432 hertz I think) resonating through the cosmos, the Logos deemed by the Stoics, Vishnu by the Hindus, the great spirit by the shaman, and the Holy Spirit by Christians. All is singular.

 

[AandW]

When I see the universe, it has order and balance. This is the Logos. Earth is no different. Humans and living things are no different. There is balance, a sustaining force. In the body it is homeostasis. It self regulates.

Agreed!

Nature does the same thing with eco systems. The fall of man threw off the balance. Whether the soul structures the DNA to create the individual or the DNA sequence births the soul is unclear.

Two separate Beings create the zygote, DNA uses the combination of mother/father to <code> the growing fetus internally/externally.

The Soul, that is a condition all humans have. It's not a passing from genetics to DNA sequences. Literally, when a seed is fertilized, the Soul already exists. That has nothing to do with genetics.

What is clear is that from the spark of life all of the information of what will be a person is predetermined. Just as the Earth with its life forms, we have cells and hormones that are regulated by organs and glands that appear “alive”.

Agreed!

Humans in this scenario are like cancer in the world. We reproduce and consume uncontrollably “offline” of the natural program. The planet is diseased because of us.

Excellent description of the reality of the truth.

Whether nature was engineered as separate species who were woven in sequence to create our world or whether it was like DNA with all species being part of the larger whole, the fact remains there is a sustaining balance seen by scientists who recognize a frequency (432 hertz I think) resonating through the cosmos, the Logos deemed by the Stoics, Vishnu by the Hindus, the great spirit by the shaman, and the Holy Spirit by Christians. All is singular.

Einstein is quite famous for when he described the Cosmos: “In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who says there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University, page 214)”[/code]

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Thank You, but I actually was not making that point of view you just explained and I would definitely agree with you. But what I am saying, God said to the [Water] Bring Forth. It reads then that [Water] obeyed and brought forth a multitude of Life.

Another point, dust comes from the Earth itself. a good rain and dust become top soil. A few more cycles and your ground becomes healthy. It literally can renew itself. It's all connected. But I can understand how you could see that was what I meant.

It doesn't renew itself. Remove the rain and it stays dust. It takes an outside action and influence to accomplish what you're saying.

 

[AandW]

It doesn't renew itself. Remove the rain and it stays dust. It takes an outside action and influence to accomplish what you're saying.

We do a similar process on the farm. If land has seemed not producing well, we put animals on it and load it with waste. We just let it break down naturally. The farmers around us are always turning their top soil and it blows to my land. With the grass grown heavy on the bottom of the fence lines that top soil comes into the land and never exits. It heals rather quickly.