Should we support police ?

[ChoirLoft]

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You mean to say I've survived not one, not two, but THREE waves/variants of Wuhan China communist atheist man-made Covid19 without having received the faux vaccine? I'll trust in the Lord over man always. Be blessed.

I seriously doubt you've survived COVID even once.

A head cold possibly or perhaps even influenza, but most definitely not COVID.

Those that have indeed suffered COVID testify they'd made a terrible mistake by not getting vaccinated. It's a terrible disease and those that have had it know they've been through a battle they'd prefer not to endure again. Many die, though I doubt your boasting will take that into allowance.

I know a young woman who does hospital work each week in addition to her duties elsewhere. A few weeks ago the hospital wards were occupied with a normal number of admittances. The following week the hospital had no vacancies at all because ALL the new admissions were COVID patients. COVID patients are generally closeted in hospitals where the general public doesn't see them or understand how it impacts healthcare workers. Nobody sees the dead bodies carried away either.

Your boasting is not anywhere near Christian - or religious either for that matter. People are DYING from COVID, but you don't seem to care. You could be a carrier of the disease, but your lack of sympathy is horrifying. What happened to the 2nd commandment? Apparently you aren't impressed by that either.

I TRUST IN THE LORD, which is why I got the shot(s) when they came available. I do not trust in human lies and stupidity at all. There's a big difference. I AM blessed, but I doubt anybody who comes into contact with you would be blessed at all. There's a good chance they could be infected. Then again you don't care about them at all, do you?

How can you attend worship services and ask God's blessing when you won't BE a blessing to anyone else?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

 

[flygplan]

I think police should always be supported, making a career of putting your life in the line is not for the faint hearted. However, accountability should also be supported. Making sure nobody is above the law, and also enforcing that within the system.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I seriously doubt you've survived COVID even once.

A head cold possibly or perhaps even influenza, but most definitely not COVID.

Those that have indeed suffered COVID testify they'd made a terrible mistake by not getting vaccinated. It's a terrible disease and those that have had it know they've been through a battle they'd prefer not to endure again. Many die, though I doubt your boasting will take that into allowance.

I know a young woman who does hospital work each week in addition to her duties elsewhere. A few weeks ago the hospital wards were occupied with a normal number of admittances. The following week the hospital had no vacancies at all because ALL the new admissions were COVID patients. COVID patients are generally closeted in hospitals where the general public doesn't see them or understand how it impacts healthcare workers. Nobody sees the dead bodies carried away either.

Your boasting is not anywhere near Christian - or religious either for that matter. People are DYING from COVID, but you don't seem to care. You could be a carrier of the disease, but your lack of sympathy is horrifying. What happened to the 2nd commandment? Apparently you aren't impressed by that either.

I TRUST IN THE LORD, which is why I got the shot(s) when they came available. I do not trust in human lies and stupidity at all. There's a big difference. I AM blessed, but I doubt anybody who comes into contact with you would be blessed at all. There's a good chance they could be infected. Then again you don't care about them at all, do you?

How can you attend worship services and ask God's blessing when you won't BE a blessing to anyone else?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

Why did you get the shot in the first place?

 

[Blade]

I have WAY before all this. I see them .. I go out of my way to thank them....praise GOD for them. Not many people in this world will die for someone they don't know.

 

[ChoirLoft]

Why did you get the shot in the first place?

You really have to ask that question? Have you read nothing I wrote. Shall I repeat it again because you didn't read it before?

It's for my personal prevention. It's for my families protection. Its for the community to be safe from contagion.

It's for the 2nd commandment.

I did it because I choose NOT to put the Lord to the test. He will NOT respect stubborn attitudes that suppose He'll take up the slack for their stupidity and deliberate choice to ignore good advice.

You shall not put the Lord your God to the test - Luke 4:12

Don't think for a moment that just because you or anyone else is a Christian that God will somehow take your church membership card as a Get-Out-of-Jail-free card. He has provided good protection free of charge.

What more do people expect of God? When He provides good medical protection - TAKE IT.

If it's not taken the risk is a very long painful expensive extended DEATH. And when one of these pompous fools stands before God what will they say? Will they still accuse God of their early death or will they have to admit, when its too late, that they could have been protected and enjoyed years of additional life?

There's no fool like a Christian fool. They think God is their puppet and heaven is their vassal state. He isn't and it isn't. It is our duty to manage as best we can those matters God has put in our hands. If we don't, He will remove them and give them to someone who can.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

 

[JerryInBoston]

You really have to ask that question? Have you read nothing I wrote. Shall I repeat it again because you didn't read it before?

It's for my personal prevention. It's for my families protection. Its for the community to be safe from contagion.

It's for the 2nd commandment.

I did it because I choose NOT to put the Lord to the test. He will NOT respect stubborn attitudes that suppose He'll take up the slack for their stupidity and deliberate choice to ignore good advice.

You shall not put the Lord your God to the test - Luke 4:12

Don't think for a moment that just because you or anyone else is a Christian that God will somehow take your church membership card as a Get-Out-of-Jail-free card. He has provided good protection free of charge.

What more do people expect of God? When He provides good medical protection - TAKE IT.

If it's not taken the risk is a very long painful expensive extended DEATH. And when one of these pompous fools stands before God what will they say? Will they still accuse God of their early death or will they have to admit, when its too late, that they could have been protected and enjoyed years of additional life?

There's no fool like a Christian fool. They think God is their puppet and heaven is their vassal state. He isn't and it isn't. It is our duty to manage as best we can those matters God has put in our hands. If we don't, He will remove them and give them to someone who can.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

Bottom line: you took the shot because you are afraid.

I am not afraid. God has not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, of love, and of a sound mind. This covid is man-made, designed to kill, and the shot is designed to control the population, i.e., kill the ability to reproduce.

As a Christian, I do love my brothers and sisters, which is why I will not take the shot. If I end up sick and die, I'm not afraid. It's not as though I've not already come from death to life in Christ. My home is not here in this world, it is with Christ. I am not afraid. You need to stop fearing death.

 

[ChoirLoft]

Bottom line: you took the shot because you are afraid.

I am not afraid. God has not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, of love, and of a sound mind. This covid is man-made, designed to kill, and the shot is designed to control the population, i.e., kill the ability to reproduce.

As a Christian, I do love my brothers and sisters, which is why I will not take the shot. If I end up sick and die, I'm not afraid. It's not as though I've not already come from death to life in Christ. My home is not here in this world, it is with Christ. I am not afraid. You need to stop fearing death.

Don't expect me or anyone else with a functioning brain to believe your justification for denying the 2nd commandment OR LOGIC of the situation. As a Christian you do NOT have the freedom to violate God's holy LAW. If you love your neighbor you'll do everything you can to insure his or her health. If you don't love, then you'll disregard every legitimate warning and preventative measure available.

Infection affects everyone he or she comes into contact with. There is no substantial evidence to support the theory that reproductive capability is affected.

COVID DOESN'T KILL OVERNIGHT.

You don't fear death? That's good.

Do you fear a withering disease that depletes those it affects over a period of weeks and months? Are you prepared to suffer for that period of time? Nobody and I repeat nobody who has gone through that ordeal and survived is willing to do it again. Every one of them wishes they'd gotten the jab.

Are you willing to subject your family to that sort of lingering stress? Have you even asked them if they want to do that? Do you have the financial capability to endure hospitalization for several months? Do you really want to permanently CRIPPLE your families financial resources? If you do, then don't get the vaccine.

Death isn't clean or easy. It costs thousands of dollars to bury the dead. It costs family and friends an enduring sadness at the thought the dead guy DIED IN VAIN when he or she could have gotten the shot and prevented it in the first place.

COVID death isn't quick and easy. It's not a Hollywood death - sick in one scene and dead the next. It lingers over a LONG time. Are you prepared for that sort of wicked lingering extinction? DO YOU WISH IT ON OTHERS?

If you do, then I seriously doubt your religious convictions because they DO NOT agree with scripture. God is not pleased at the death of any one, yet you seem openly willing to wish it on yourself and others. It is written we shall know the Christian by his or her deeds. You have provided sufficient evidence of your position before God and man.

It is time to repent and do what's right.

Failure or refusal to do so may result in death or a financial disaster for your family.

"You shall not tempt the Lord your God." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 4:7

Are you putting God to the test? He will NOT honor such an act. Be advised that consideration of refusal to get vaccinated will not be honored by God - or anybody else.

"He died as a fool dies." - 2 Samuel 3:33

Be wise. Have a tiny bit of consideration for others even if you have none for yourself. Get the COVID vaccine today.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[JerryInBoston]

Don't expect me or anyone else with a functioning brain to believe your justification for denying the 2nd commandment OR LOGIC of the situation. As a Christian you do NOT have the freedom to violate God's holy LAW. If you love your neighbor you'll do everything you can to insure his or her health. If you don't love, then you'll disregard every legitimate warning and preventative measure available.

Infection affects everyone he or she comes into contact with. There is no substantial evidence to support the theory that reproductive capability is affected.

COVID DOESN'T KILL OVERNIGHT.

You don't fear death? That's good.

Do you fear a withering disease that depletes those it affects over a period of weeks and months? Are you prepared to suffer for that period of time? Nobody and I repeat nobody who has gone through that ordeal and survived is willing to do it again. Every one of them wishes they'd gotten the jab.

Are you willing to subject your family to that sort of lingering stress? Have you even asked them if they want to do that? Do you have the financial capability to endure hospitalization for several months? Do you really want to permanently CRIPPLE your families financial resources? If you do, then don't get the vaccine.

Death isn't clean or easy. It costs thousands of dollars to bury the dead. It costs family and friends an enduring sadness at the thought the dead guy DIED IN VAIN when he or she could have gotten the shot and prevented it in the first place.

COVID death isn't quick and easy. It's not a Hollywood death - sick in one scene and dead the next. It lingers over a LONG time. Are you prepared for that sort of wicked lingering extinction? DO YOU WISH IT ON OTHERS?

If you do, then I seriously doubt your religious convictions because they DO NOT agree with scripture. God is not pleased at the death of any one, yet you seem openly willing to wish it on yourself and others. It is written we shall know the Christian by his or her deeds. You have provided sufficient evidence of your position before God and man.

It is time to repent and do what's right.

Failure or refusal to do so may result in death or a financial disaster for your family.

"You shall not tempt the Lord your God." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 4:7

Are you putting God to the test? He will NOT honor such an act. Be advised that consideration of refusal to get vaccinated will not be honored by God - or anybody else.

"He died as a fool dies." - 2 Samuel 3:33

Be wise. Have a tiny bit of consideration for others even if you have none for yourself. Get the COVID vaccine today.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

You're not scriptural at all regarding this Covid19 shot. Ou would get along well with the satanic leadership of NYC and the creep in Albany. Shame on you.

 

[ZNP]

The danger is a nationalized police force. That is what the gestapo is. You can't take over the country as a totalitarian regime unless you first nationalize the police. Think of the police as a well regulated militia. In an attempted coup you could immediately organize all patriots around every local police force.

 

[JerryInBoston]

The danger is a nationalized police force. That is what the gestapo is. You can't take over the country as a totalitarian regime unless you first nationalize the police. Think of the police as a well regulated militia. In an attempted coup you could immediately organize all patriots around every local police force.

A nationalized police force in the USA will certainly bring about chaos, much like that seen in Northern Ireland during 'The Troubles', but probably look more likely that which was portrayed in the movie "The Patriot", with guerilla tactics occurring all over the country. God forbid it ever gets to that.

 

[ZNP]

A nationalized police force in the USA will certainly bring about chaos, much like that seen in Northern Ireland during 'The Troubles', but probably look more likely that which was portrayed in the movie "The Patriot", with guerilla tactics occurring all over the country. God forbid it ever gets to that.

The US will be in chaos but it won't get to that here, however, in Europe it will get to this.

 

[ChoirLoft]

You're not scriptural at all regarding this Covid19 shot. Ou would get along well with the satanic leadership of NYC and the creep in Albany. Shame on you.

You know nothing of shame.

Jesus said we ought not tempt the Lord God in His promise for protections. This means we should avail ourselves of protection when it is available. When you stand before God will you spew political myths to justify your violation of His LAW and consideration of your family and neighbors? If you try you'll find your opinion is worthless. God isn't interested in your opinion - or mine either. It is our duty to be mindful of God's LAW and how He expects us to live it.

Justification and guilt consist of the SINs of man before God. Shame is bad behavior between humans and their neighbors.

I mask and I have been vaccinated. Therefore I have NO SHAME before my family and neighbors. You accuse me of shame without even knowing the meaning of the word. It is typical of ignorant Christians to falsely accuse others (satan is the accuser and so are its disciples).

The function of law is to provide protection for all of us to live in peace and safety with one another. In a perfect world such laws wouldn't be necessary, but we are far from a perfect world.

Governor Cuomo is no less subject to the rule of law than any of the rest of us. If he is guilty of infractions or violations of the law, he will be brought to justice - one way or the other in a court of law.

Law enforcement officers are appointed by God and labor under His authority.

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. - Romans 13:1-2

If a LEO violates the law will he or she not be answerable to it? In most cases today they are.

God's LAW is today under assault by Biblically illiterate Christians as well as those in the community who seek to usurp its authority.

Shame and guilt are upon them by God and man alike.

Be careful you are not found among them. Calling yourself a Christians carries no currency these days - sometimes not even with God.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

 

[JerryInBoston]

You know nothing of shame.

Jesus said we ought not tempt the Lord God in His promise for protections. This means we should avail ourselves of protection when it is available. When you stand before God will you spew political myths to justify your violation of His LAW and consideration of your family and neighbors? If you try you'll find your opinion is worthless. God isn't interested in your opinion - or mine either. It is our duty to be mindful of God's LAW and how He expects us to live it.

Justification and guilt consist of the SINs of man before God. Shame is bad behavior between humans and their neighbors.

I mask and I have been vaccinated. Therefore I have NO SHAME before my family and neighbors. You accuse me of shame without even knowing the meaning of the word. It is typical of ignorant Christians to falsely accuse others (satan is the accuser and so are its disciples).

The function of law is to provide protection for all of us to live in peace and safety with one another. In a perfect world such laws wouldn't be necessary, but we are far from a perfect world.

Governor Cuomo is no less subject to the rule of law than any of the rest of us. If he is guilty of infractions or violations of the law, he will be brought to justice - one way or the other in a court of law.

Law enforcement officers are appointed by God and labor under His authority.

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. - Romans 13:1-2

If a LEO violates the law will he or she not be answerable to it? In most cases today they are.

God's LAW is today under assault by Biblically illiterate Christians as well as those in the community who seek to usurp its authority.

Shame and guilt are upon them by God and man alike.

Be careful you are not found among them. Calling yourself a Christians carries no currency these days - sometimes not even with God.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

I don't mask, I don't social distance, I am not getting the shot, and I am not afraid.

 

[Gideon300]

I don't but much of what we accept in this world is FAR from what He intended for us, especially now IF we are born again, Holy Spirit filled and walking out our faith as He intended.
He promises to protect His own from ALL the schemes of the devil, anything that isn't love joy peace, patience, etc, is His realm, anything that comes to steal, kill and destroy is in the realm of the devil, all "accidents" lack, loss, sickness, etc are from the devil.

There are hundreds if not thousands of videos of criminals with badges, guns and fast cars perpetrating evil on citizens and being protected under the guise of "authority".

I can promise you that there are vastly more criminals doing great evil than bad or inept cops trying to stop them. The difference is that no one makes videos, or at least none that survive to get them on youtube.

Perhaps you want to go back to the days of open gang warfare and utterly corrupt cops? It's bad enough now.

Christians are not immune from trouble. I know Christians who have been robbed, a couple who died in car a car accident, some who died from cancer and all kinds of trials and troubles. Yes, Satan is behind them all. We are in the world, not of it. God loves the people of the world, even though they rebel against Him. You can't save dead people, it's too late. So how about we support those who are trying to keep crime under control instead of criticising them at every turn. Try praying for them. You never know, God might answer and the police become more effective and less inclined to shoot people.

 

[Gideon300]

I don't mask, I don't social distance, I am not getting the shot, and I am not afraid.

Graveyards are packed with people that were like you. I suppose you drive an old car without airbags and with no seatbelt on.

 

[shittim]

I can promise you that there are vastly more criminals doing great evil than bad or inept cops trying to stop them. The difference is that no one makes videos, or at least none that survive to get them on youtube.

Perhaps you want to go back to the days of open gang warfare and utterly corrupt cops? It's bad enough now.

Christians are not immune from trouble. I know Christians who have been robbed, a couple who died in car a car accident, some who died from cancer and all kinds of trials and troubles. Yes, Satan is behind them all. We are in the world, not of it. God loves the people of the world, even though they rebel against Him. You can't save dead people, it's too late. So how about we support those who are trying to keep crime under control instead of criticising them at every turn. Try praying for them. You never know, God might answer and the police become more effective and less inclined to shoot people.

Keeping in mind most who claim to be Christian aren't really Christian but hold to an outward form denying the power, those who walk as Jesus modeled for us walk in the power He desired for us.

Graveyards are packed with people that were like you. I suppose you drive an old car without airbags and with no seatbelt on.

Outward form, not in keeping with the Galatians 5 attributes of Love, joy, peace, parience, etc.

 

[mailmandan]

We should support "policing" which means maintaining law and order.

We absolutely need law and order. Otherwise all you have is soaring crime and lawlessness as we have witnessed thanks to disgraceful politicians who do not support the police and in some cases even honor cop killers and condone the burning of police precincts.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-defunded-cities-murders-crime-budget
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-alderman-on-violent-fourth-of-july-weekend-this-is-a-war-zone
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-movement-black-lives-shakur-cop-killer
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-dfl-chair-police-revolutionary-moment-righteousness

 

[shittim]

Yes, and we always have sice the fall in Genesis, and we need to do a MUCH BETTER job in choosing who does the policing, much better than we have.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Graveyards are packed with people that were like you. I suppose you drive an old car without airbags and with no seatbelt on.

When I read your comment, my first thought was: "this man has no idea." Are you afraid, Gideon?

Life is a mist, Gideon, a vapor, here one moment and gone the next. For me, I trust God and HIS Word: to live is Christ, to die is gain. I have already passed from death to life on this side of etenity. So where is the sting?

While I do buckle-up (it's the law), my car is fairly new, though many say it's old. I know a lot of those souls in graveyards that you refer to as people that were like me, and yet there are many more I've never met. They reside in places like Arlington National Cemetery and national cemeteries across the USA, and in countries where they fell, and in countries that were our allies. Lots of them were saved, born again, many teenagers, all of them young men and women. They, too, passed from death to life on this side of eternity, and as they gave their all, they are all now with the Lord Jesus.

God has not given us a spirit of fear, Gideon. Why are you afraid?

 

[shittim]

Among the great teachings from Derek Prince I viewed recently was one where he spoke of God dealing with him over carnality, and he mentions anytime we view this world as our home, we are given to carnality, this world is not our home, we were always intended to live for our eternal home and do his good will here in preparation.
Thanks Jerry, you said it so well.