Walk : After the Spirit

Kidron · Aug 3, 2021

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"you are no longer under THE LAW, you are UNDER GRACE".

"Christ has redeemed you from the CURSE of the Law".

"The Power of SIN........is THE LAW".

""For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."""""

Notice this now.....""""who walk not after the flesh, but AFTER the Spirit".
See that?
That does not mean....>"try to not sin" and "Keep the commandments"""
To Walk NOT AFTER the Flesh, but AFTER the Spirit", means to have become "DEAD to THE LAW," but "ALIVE TO CHRIST".

See that= """Alive TO CHRIST"""?

This means '....."in Christ".... "One With God".

It means that we are no longer a part of the old covenant .. because we have been born again into the Kingdom of God, as a "new Creation" IN CHRIST.
So, all the born again, EXIT, "AFTER the Spirit".......or in Spiritual Union with God, as "ONE with God"< "In Christ".
This means that the born again, are born again INTO the Spirit of GOD, by the Spirit of God.
The born again now exist here......""""As Jesus IS.....so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".""
This means that the born again have become= "The Righteousness of God, IN Christ"., which is why the born again are defined as a "NEW CREATION".

The born again are not saved sinners, trying to keep commandments, hoping to stay out of hell...........THEY are IN CHRIST having been """"made Righteous"""", forever.
The born again, exist as having the same righteousness as God, because we have received ..."THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"",... which become who we ARE.......Its our Spiritual existence, as a """"SON of God""".
All God's SON's are as righteous as God or they are not a "Son".

This is what it means to """walk AFTER the Spirit"""........It means to have become joined to God's Spirit, in Spiritual Union. = "born again"

Magenta · Aug 3, 2021

Acts 13:38-39

AandW · Aug 3, 2021

Since the Death of Christ, from that moment onward, the LAW no longer existed!
So to see someone today, proclaiming the LAW is still in effect, one can be assured the screws are lose throughout their entire process of Reasoning.

We've [never] experienced a single day under the LAW.

But, to explain what Christ has completely done for us and how He fulfilled the LAW, the LAW itself, is a powerful knowledge to understand. The Law has the answer to every reason Christ Died for us.

Kidron · Aug 4, 2021

AandW said:

"The power of sin is the Law".

"Christ has redeemed us (the born again) from the curse of the Law".

"We are not under the law, but under Grace",

AandW · Aug 4, 2021

Kidron said:

No, the Power of Sin is the same when Eve chose to Eat in the Garden! The Cause/Result: Sin will lead to Death. That Rule was First and Foremost in Place well before and [never] connected to the LAW. The LAW was a Standard. Our Standard is Christ! The LAW means nothing to us other than explaining the Reasons why Christ had to be our Sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sacrifice of Christ should have Ended Daily Sacrifice that Moment, before the physical Temple was destroyed 36 years later.

Kidron · Aug 4, 2021

AandW said:

That would be impossible. .......as "" the LAW is the power of sin"

See, in the Garden, .... Moses was not yet born, So "the law came by Moses" was not in effect.
There is no "law" when there is no law yet given, and that came much later.
In fact, in the Garden you had this...>"where there is NO LAW, there is NO Transgression".

So, while there was no "LAW", there was disobedience to the word of God.
What is that?
Its REBELLION, and that is a spirit, and that led them to pursue what cost them their relationship with God.

And who IS the Spirit of Rebellion?
Its Satan who was talking to Eve.

AandW · Aug 4, 2021

Kidron said:

That would be impossible. .......as "" the LAW is the power of sin"

See, in the Garden, .... Moses was not yet born, So "the law came by Moses" was not in effect.
There is no "law" when there is no law yet given, and that came much later.
In fact, in the Garden you had this...>"where there is NO LAW, there is NO Transgression".

So, while there was no "LAW", there was disobedience to the word of God.
What is that?
Its REBELLION, and that is a spirit, and that led them to pursue what cost them their relationship with God.

And who IS the Spirit of Rebellion?
Its Satan who was talking to Eve.

You are so far off.

Kidron · Aug 4, 2021

AandW said:

Im so far away from your personal theology, is what you meant to say.
How could i not be, if i understand Justification by faith, and "the Gift of Righteousness"?

Pilgrimshope · Aug 4, 2021

Kidron said:

Walk after the word of Christ

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re born again by believing the gospel and righteousness doesn’t have anything to do with the law it’s a faith that walks after the gospel so when we want to insist everyone be sinless

we need to ourself be walking after the lords word forst so if we can look here and feel justified then we won’t condemn ourselves by demanding of others

how do we ourselves measure up to the new ? Before we demand perfection from others how do we look in the mirror ?

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good;

and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-31, 35-38, 42, 45-49‬ ‭

when we want to believe we’re beyond temptation or somehow above falling , and then we look at what God actually has said it tends to change how we perceive ourselves and others and leans to salvstion by faith and the hope of righteousness

Repentance and remission of sins is the path we have to walk in the spirit of the gospel not the law . So we have to learn what the lord said before we can see if we are obedient born again sinless folk which don’t look at me cause I don’t compare to Jesus

AandW · Aug 4, 2021

Kidron said:

We were never Hebrew People under the LAW, we're Gentiles after the LAW was fulfilled. Our sin is no different than Eve's or those who were under the LAW. The LAW is not sin, they are LAWS not to commit these sins.

Pilgrimshope · Aug 4, 2021

AandW said:

the law is not sin it is the device used to hold the people guilty of sin and strip away thier prode before God so they would accept the messiah

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

once the law held all Men guilty for sin and gave them the knowledge of sin , then the gospel came forth offering righteousness without the law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is not sin it was given to sinners to break thier prode and self reliance

AandW · Aug 4, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

the law is not sin it is the device used to hold the people guilty of sin and strip away thier prode before God so they would accept the messiah

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

once the law held all Men guilty for sin and gave them the knowledge of sin , then the gospel came forth offering righteousness without the law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is not sin it was given to sinners to break thier prode and self reliance

Amen!

Pilgrimshope · Aug 4, 2021

AandW said:

Amen brother

SophieT · Aug 5, 2021

AandW said:

the law was not a standard. no one could keep the law...not now and not then, so what kind of standard was it then? a maybe try to keep this standard?

why are you so against what Kidron said in his post #6?

Christ is not our standard. we can never attain His standard anymore than Israel achieved perfect obedience which would have resulted in righteousness and not thousands of animals being sacrificed.

a Christian should understand what it means to be IN Christ and walking after the Spirit...who indwells believers

IMO, you either do not understand this or you simply like to argue....for nothing I might add

SophieT · Aug 5, 2021

AandW said:

SOOOOO tired of reading this kind of thing and here it is again

the law applies to EVERYONE who is not saved. are you saved? good!

the law was NOT given to make people stop sinning...it was given to reveal sin. a study of Romans will help you out there

if the law was given to stop people sinning, it was a dismal failure

SophieT · Aug 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

the law was given to reveal sin...Romans

nobody's pride and arrogance is broken. take a look around. does it look to you like people are having their pride and arrogance broken?

I can't even say that about many believers....pride and arrogance these days are treated like spiritual gifts in many places with people trying to assume the authority of God by changing the Bible and acting outside of the Bible and putting false prophets before the Bible

God has NOT said in most cases

no one is saying Christians are judged by the law...so why do some of you keep saying you are not under law? sounds to me like maybe you are not so sure

Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. Galatians 3:19

SophieT · Aug 5, 2021

AandW said:

so sad

a believer is not judged by the law...Christ took upon Himself our sins...everyone else is INDEED judged by the law which illustrates the sin of fallen mankind in a way only God, who is holy, could do

you sure it's the other guy?

AandW · Aug 5, 2021

Legalism, is a structural imbalance of disproportional flawed reasons of why the LAW, designed specifically for the Hebrew Peoples, should apply to everyone today.

There are [Periods] of time God designed for things to come into play and then disappear.
(1) Adam to Noah, the world destroyed is a period or EON of time.
(2) the Law that ended at the Cross is a period of Eon of time.
(3) Matthew 24 and in 70 A.D. the physical Temple and also, Daily Sacrifice END fulfilling Daniel's Prophecy is a period or EON of time.
(4) Christ's Resurrection and Ascension to where we are today awaiting His Return, is another period or EON of time.

The only constant throughout that entire period from Adam till right now, SIN still equals DEATH!
That has [NOTHING] to do with the LAW!

AandW · Aug 5, 2021

SophieT said:

Not Against the Brother at all, just want him to think of the LAW where it properly fits God's Plan:

The LAW was given by God to show if they do this [act] it is a sin because of this [Reason]. But the sin always existed before the Law, at the Fall of Satan. Sin was already in all of its forms by the time the Hebrew Slaves were given the LAW. Not only did God destroy the Earth with Water before the LAW, He destroyed Sodom and G. SIN was a natural human calamity.

The LAW [is not] sin, it defines sin.
The LAW is the dictionary of a sin and what it means against God.

Now, had the LAW been given before SIN, be different idealism.
The LAW is a God Dictionary of this SIN = this grievance.

We ourselves have never had to deal with that in any shape or form.
But we have always had to deal with SIN, which we could use the Dictionary from God, the LAW, and we can know the SIN and its Grievance to God.

Kidron · Aug 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Most of what you wrote is related to discipleship.
All WORKS , or self effort, that a believer DOES............that is not salvation, that is Discipleship.

Walking after the Spirit is not to try to copy the deeds of Jesus.
Its to exist in the place of real faith, in your belief system, your renewed mind.

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