Breaker Anointing?

[ResidentAlien]

There's God and there's Satan and his demons. If you're not honoring God you're honoring demons; maybe not wittingly. . .but nevertheless.

"What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons."—1 Corinthians 10:19-21​

 

[SophieT]

Just junk I've heard people say over the years about yoga. I read a little about yoga. I do not want to have anything to do with it.

I just notice a trend of calling this or that a 'demon.' Did God tell or show someone that kundalini a demon, one individual demon? how can someone claim to know that otherwise? That is my point.

there are myriads of sites to tell you all about it

books too

as for demons, they will also cause manifestations that far too many believers are attributing to the Holy Spirit. nothing holy about them

and no I do not believe anything negative is by default a demon. there is the flesh as well

 

[TheLearner]

introducing another rabbit trail then?

no one said a thing about invincible ignorance but you

the question was legit...you took it to the olympics of exaggeration

It was my answer to the question: What if someone commits the blasphemy in ignorance not knowing that the Holy Spirit did a work?

Nice try sister.

 

[SophieT]

It was my answer to the question: What if someone commits the blasphemy in ignorance not knowing that the Holy Spirit did a work?

Nice try sister.

yes I know. you took it way beyond the question. it was a simple question and somehow, you managed to created a new doctrine which you call 'invincible ignorance'

I'm moving on

 

[SophieT]

yes I know. you took it way beyond the question. it was a simple question and somehow, you managed to created a new doctrine which you call 'invincible ignorance'

I'm moving on

you are spitting into the wind

 

[Absolutely]

there are myriads of sites to tell you all about it

books too

as for demons, they will also cause manifestations that far too many believers are attributing to the Holy Spirit. nothing holy about them

and no I do not believe anything negative is by default a demon. there is the flesh as well

Bingo.

 

[mustaphadrink]

The Holy Spirit works orderly and proper like. Since, what I have seen in those services is out of order. It is simply people working out of their flesh.

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1.
conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behavior.
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cha·os | \ ˈkā-ˌäs \
Definition of chaos

1a: a state of utter confusionthe blackout caused chaos throughout the city
b: a confused mass or mixturea chaos of television antennas
2aoften capitalized : a state of things in which chance is supremeespecially : the confused unorganized state of primordial matter before the creation of distinct forms— compare COSMOS
b: the inherent unpredictability in the behavior of a complex natural system (such as the atmosphere, boiling water, or the beating heart)
3obsolete : CHASM, ABYSS


Synonyms & Antonyms for chaos
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chance-medley, confusion, disarrangement, disarray, dishevelment, disorder, disorderedness, disorderliness, disorganization, free-for-all, havoc, heck, hell, jumble, mare's nest, mess, messiness, misorder, muddle, muss, shambles, snake pit, tumble, welter
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order, orderliness

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or·der·li·ness | \ ˈȯr-dər-lē-nəs \
Definition of orderliness
: the quality or state of being orderly

1 Corinthians 14:40
Let all things be done decently and in order.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I have no idea what your point is in relation to what I said.

 

[mustaphadrink]

do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
so the rest of the time people can act like great apes and swing from the chandeliers

Act in a way that is decent, rational and composed so that you do not dishonor God during your worship.

so the rest of the time people can act like great apes and swing from the chandeliers

FYI, Paul does not state only tongues and prophecy...you state 'things' yourself, so it seems you actually believe it covers everything's

making excuses for stupid behavior that makes people look like they have lost their minds is not normal

Explanation and Commentary on 1 Corinthians 14:40
Act in a way that is decent, rational and composed so that you do not dishonor God during your worship.

Paul concludes 1 Corinthians 14 with this general rule. It is part of a passage that runs from verse 36 to 40, where Paul is rebuking the Corinthians for their extreme pride in having spiritual gifts and their childish behavior in the congregation. The Corinthians were so self-absorbed that they behaved in some sort of uncontrolled manner that was different than other churches. The Bible does not tell us exactly what they did, only that it was a misuse of their spiritual gifts and disgraceful to God.

Paul gave the Corinthians this simple rule to follow to guide their actions in matters related to their worship of God. This included such things as the customs they would follow and how they would act so that they could properly glorify God and be an example for non-Christians in order to convert unbelievers.

As I said, the decently and in order passage is dealing with tongues and prophecy. Did you read it? It is not intended as instructions about people who swing from chandeliers.

 

[mustaphadrink]

The passage in 1 Corinthians 14 about things being done decently and in order is about prophecy and tongues. Not about a persons physical actions.

This for the benefit of Sophie

1Co 14:1 Follow after charity and desire spiritual things, but rather that you may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he who prophesies speaks to men for building up, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up, but he prophesying builds up a church.
1Co 14:5 I wish all of you to speak in languages, but rather that you may prophesy; for greater is he prophesying than he speaking in tongues, unless he interpret so that the church may receive building up.
1Co 14:6 But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, except I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching?
1Co 14:7 Yet lifeless things giving a sound, whether flute or harp, if they do not give a distinction in the sound, how will it be known what is being piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For also if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for the battle?
1Co 14:9 So also you, if you do not give a clear word through the language, how will it be known what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Co 14:10 So it may be many kinds of sounds are in the world, and not one is without a distinct sound.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I do not know the power of the sound, I will be a foreigner to him speaking, and he speaking will be a foreigner to me.
1Co 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealots of spiritual things, seek to build up the church, in order that you may abound
1Co 14:13 So then he speaking in a language, let him pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.
1Co 14:16 Else, if you bless in the spirit, he occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say?
1Co 14:17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God that I speak more languages than all of you;
1Co 14:19 yet in a church I desire to speak five words with my mind, so that I might also teach others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.
1Co 14:21 In the Law it is written, "By other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people, and even so they will not hear Me, says the Lord."
1Co 14:22 So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
1Co 14:23 Therefore if the whole church has come together, and all speak in languages, and if uninstructed ones or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you rave?
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and some unbeliever or one not instructed comes, he is convicted by all, he is judged by all.
1Co 14:25 And so the secrets of his heart become revealed. And so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

 

[mustaphadrink]

The passage in 1 Corinthians 14 about things being done decently and in order is about prophecy and tongues. Not about a persons physical actions.

This for the benefit of Sophie

1Co 14:1 Follow after charity and desire spiritual things, but rather that you may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he who prophesies speaks to men for building up, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up, but he prophesying builds up a church.
1Co 14:5 I wish all of you to speak in languages, but rather that you may prophesy; for greater is he prophesying than he speaking in tongues, unless he interpret so that the church may receive building up.
1Co 14:6 But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, except I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching?
1Co 14:7 Yet lifeless things giving a sound, whether flute or harp, if they do not give a distinction in the sound, how will it be known what is being piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For also if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for the battle?
1Co 14:9 So also you, if you do not give a clear word through the language, how will it be known what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Co 14:10 So it may be many kinds of sounds are in the world, and not one is without a distinct sound.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I do not know the power of the sound, I will be a foreigner to him speaking, and he speaking will be a foreigner to me.
1Co 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealots of spiritual things, seek to build up the church, in order that you may abound
1Co 14:13 So then he speaking in a language, let him pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.
1Co 14:16 Else, if you bless in the spirit, he occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say?
1Co 14:17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God that I speak more languages than all of you;
1Co 14:19 yet in a church I desire to speak five words with my mind, so that I might also teach others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.
1Co 14:21 In the Law it is written, "By other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people, and even so they will not hear Me, says the Lord."
1Co 14:22 So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
1Co 14:23 Therefore if the whole church has come together, and all speak in languages, and if uninstructed ones or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you rave?
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and some unbeliever or one not instructed comes, he is convicted by all, he is judged by all.
1Co 14:25 And so the secrets of his heart become revealed. And so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

 

[mustaphadrink]

1 Corinthians 14:32
Expanded Bible
32 The spirits of prophets are ·under the control of [subject to] the prophets themselves [C unlike in pagan religions, where a spirit would seize control of a speaker, causing frenzy, mania or ecstasy].

We know from Scripture and Early Church History that the Holy Spirit has not been irresistible because God is not the author of Chaos.

The irresistible thing is a characteristic of pagan religions back then. Today, likely people in church are working out of their flesh in those cases.

So the answer is no Aaron.

 

[SophieT]

As I said, the decently and in order passage is dealing with tongues and prophecy. Did you read it? It is not intended as instructions about people who swing from chandeliers.

I am fully aware of the direct reference to tongues

are you daft to think it means all hell can break loose otherwise?

 

[SophieT]

This for the benefit of Sophie

1Co 14:1 Follow after charity and desire spiritual things, but rather that you may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he who prophesies speaks to men for building up, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up, but he prophesying builds up a church.
1Co 14:5 I wish all of you to speak in languages, but rather that you may prophesy; for greater is he prophesying than he speaking in tongues, unless he interpret so that the church may receive building up.
1Co 14:6 But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, except I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching?
1Co 14:7 Yet lifeless things giving a sound, whether flute or harp, if they do not give a distinction in the sound, how will it be known what is being piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For also if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for the battle?
1Co 14:9 So also you, if you do not give a clear word through the language, how will it be known what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Co 14:10 So it may be many kinds of sounds are in the world, and not one is without a distinct sound.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I do not know the power of the sound, I will be a foreigner to him speaking, and he speaking will be a foreigner to me.
1Co 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealots of spiritual things, seek to build up the church, in order that you may abound
1Co 14:13 So then he speaking in a language, let him pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.
1Co 14:16 Else, if you bless in the spirit, he occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say?
1Co 14:17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God that I speak more languages than all of you;
1Co 14:19 yet in a church I desire to speak five words with my mind, so that I might also teach others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.
1Co 14:21 In the Law it is written, "By other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people, and even so they will not hear Me, says the Lord."
1Co 14:22 So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
1Co 14:23 Therefore if the whole church has come together, and all speak in languages, and if uninstructed ones or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you rave?
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and some unbeliever or one not instructed comes, he is convicted by all, he is judged by all.
1Co 14:25 And so the secrets of his heart become revealed. And so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

uh huh

well Sophie has been around some, prays in tongues and sings in tongues, translates into English, and has taught both adults and children and been involved in leadership and worship and more

I am very clear on the different uses of tongues...have seen abuse in just about every gift...and despise the falseness and ungifted people who assume positions of power and rend those who have actual spiritual gifts. Church has become big business in many cases.

sadly too many nutjobs believe that prophecy means the garbage we hear all too often these days

so suit yourself, preach to yourself, but don't tell me how it goes cause I know how it goes and people like you are tiresome always thinking you know more and better than everyone else

set yourself on fire and call it revival. I'll watch

kindly preach to yourself cause this girl is not ignorant or inexperienced

 

[SophieT]

One thing that is very evident in the church is that it likes to tell the Holy Spirit what it can and cannot do

oh I know what you are talking about here

sometimes the Holy Spirit has left the building and yet the show goes on

kicking people in the stomach and calling them healed and then they die a few weeks later...feathers....gold teeth....hideous screeching that passes for worship....gold dust and giant gems (which you can buy in a dollar store) crazy noises and actions.....whomping on people and demanding the 'speak in tongues'....lines of people waiting for someone to prophesy over them cause they need to hear from God and have no clue how to manage that on their own and the fake prophets would not have it any other way

and more....people receive an evil spirit in those kinds of meetings...I've seen that too

God? who needs God when you have all this very satisfying emotional soulish abuse going on?

One must be careful making pronouncements of this nature because it shows that we are reducing the power of God to ones own mortal understanding.

one must indeed be very careful when entertaining these activities that are far removed from biblical spiritual gifts

 

[TheLearner]

As I said, the decently and in order passage is dealing with tongues and prophecy. Did you read it? It is not intended as instructions about people who swing from chandeliers.

It is speaking about those abused gifts, but it is also laying down as a rule for the overall worship service too.

 

[TheLearner]

read to here

 

[mustaphadrink]

It is speaking about those abused gifts, but it is also laying down as a rule for the overall worship service too.

But in the passage quoted it deals with prophecy and tongues only. I could say that the church needs a lot more instruction on this subject but in too many cases it is not needed as tongues and prophecy is a foreign concept.

 

[mustaphadrink]

sometimes the Holy Spirit has left the building and yet the show goes on

Good one.

 

[mustaphadrink]

set yourself on fire and call it revival. I'll watch

I like your sense of humour.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I am fully aware of the direct reference to tongues

are you daft to think it means all hell can break loose otherwise?

Such a personal and ungracious attack Sophie.