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You have not answered my questions about the quotes of scripture I posted about the law requiring perfection. Nor have you explained to me how you can fulfill or obey the law.

This is not about something someone said to you where you asked for scripture. I just responded and asked you for the third option . Since you asked for sc rapture about the two.

Now either answer my questions. Or prove your nothing but a hypocrite. And I can turn you over to God as an impostor.

You tried to hide from my question dude. Your not allowed too. We do not play those game here. Don’t demand someone answer your questions when you will not even answer other peoples questions.
I don't know what scripture your talking about that you posted.... but if you've been reading my posts you'll know that if it comes from Paul, it will not be prioritized over writings from the disciples. I don't know what scripture says that mankind is supposed to "fulfill" the law... maybe it exists, but you would have to provide the scripture for that as well. As far as obeying the law, it depends on which law you are referring to. The sabbath, you don't work..... Certain foods, you don't consume... I don't get what your point is here.

You can believe what you want about me... and "turn me over to god as an imposter", but I don't answer to man and have no fear of that.
 
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Why is the Law a curse?
Its because, by the Law is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN.
The Law is a JUDGE....>It Judges you to be a SINNER.

See that "curse"?

Wake up, MalikB
Stop teaching deceit.

The law of Moses was not a curse.

The Pharisee’s made a religion out of the law that evolved into the religion of Judaism.


The law provided for the atonement of sin through the animal sacrifices that foreshadowed what Christ would do for mankind on the cross.


If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
Romans 7:16


Trying to keep the works of law of Moses to earn salvation is what became a curse.





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@MalikB

Try the next chapter for example. Romans 3:20 mean anything to you?
But keep reading. Ch. 6-8 is where it really starts to get into good news.
Did you know the first 'command' in that whole book - the first time Paul tells the reader who believes to 'do' something, is in ch. 6?
'consider yourself dead'

You may notice he ((nor Christ either)) never commanded anyone to keep sabbath
Interesting huh


This is milk, bruh
Read the first paragraph of ch. 7, slowly

Romans 3:20 is saying the same thing as the first half of Romans 2:13.... Knowing/hearing the law shows us where we stand. Because we are all sinners (breakers of law), by knowing the law the specific sins we are committing are brought to light. So like Romans 2:13 says... We don't get justification by HEARING the law, we get it by DOING the law.

Christ kept the Sabbath. Christ commanded his disciples to follow him. Therefore, Christ commanded his disciples to keep the Sabbath.

Like others, you have fallen into the same trap of Paul's writings:


2 Peter 3:16-17

16 He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.17 And so, dear friends, since you already know these things, continuously be on your guard not to be carried away by the deception of lawless people. Otherwise, you may fall from your secure position.
 
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The law of Moses was not a curse.

The Pharisee’s made a religion out of the law that evolved into the religion of Judaism.


The law provided for the atonement of sin through the animal sacrifices that foreshadowed what Christ would do for mankind on the cross.


If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
Romans 7:16


Trying to keep the works of law of Moses to earn salvation is what became a curse.





JLB
I agree with everything you said except the last line. Sinning (breaking law) is where the curses come into play.... These curses exist whether you are trying to keep law or if you "refuse to believe the truth and practice wickedness" (Romans 6:8). If you have not yet been introduced to the law, and have it written on your heart, you will end up recognizing the truth and blessings of the law when you hear it and therefore want to follow it.
 
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I agree with everything you said except the last line. Sinning (breaking law) is where the curses come into play.... These curses exist whether you are trying to keep law or if you "refuse to believe the truth and practice wickedness" (Romans 6:8). If you have not yet been introduced to the law, and have it written on your heart, you will end up recognizing the truth and blessings of the law when you hear it and therefore want to follow it.
The law of Moses has been abolished.
 

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God blessed and sanctified the seventh day which is Saturday. Jesus kept Saturday Holy and said He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Please show me who or where God has unsanctified or taken the blessing away from that day.

No other day can claim this sanctified blessing. If you think it doesn't matter look up sanctified and why did God say Remember it?

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for mankind. Made at creation before any race (Jews), before sin.

Is it still for all mankind to remember today?

No one really answered this and i went to sleep....zzzz. so i posted it again.....
 

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The law of Moses has been abolished.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

what are these laws?

Gods Laws ??

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

At the cross Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for the recorded of our sins (past present and future) to be abolished by faith.
The curse of the law that convicts us of sin was taken away by the blood of Jesus.
The laws that were given that pointed forward to the cross which were shadows of redemption. (blood of the lamb, temple offerings), these were no longer needed because the actual, or the real sacrifice had come. So many of the laws given to Israel were now made void.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


The new covenant is better because Jesus is the offering and Jesus is the high priest and Jesus is standing for us before God in the heavenly Temple.

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

We have the better covenant, which is not animal sacrifices but Jesus.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 
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I don't know what scripture your talking about that you posted.... but if you've been reading my posts you'll know that if it comes from Paul, it will not be prioritized over writings from the disciples. I don't know what scripture says that mankind is supposed to "fulfill" the law... maybe it exists, but you would have to provide the scripture for that as well. As far as obeying the law, it depends on which law you are referring to. The sabbath, you don't work..... Certain foods, you don't consume... I don't get what your point is here.

You can believe what you want about me... and "turn me over to god as an imposter", but I don't answer to man and have no fear of that.
You don’t know anything

this is twice now you have rejected the writings of james, of Moses and jesus who told you the requirement of the law, and i love how you once again claim you Do not know what scripture I am talking about, funny how you stop responding to me when I post them, then when I ask later, play dumb as if you don’t know what I am talking about

i don’t prioritize anyone scripture either, they are all inspired by God so they all must be equal

when Moses says you must obey every word, or be cursed, I trust him to mean what he says

when James says if you keep the whole law, yet stumble in one point your guilty of all he means it

all paul did was reiterate what they both said, paul did not make it up. or say anything new, reject their words all you want, you have now done it numerous times, it’s on you my friend, I will pray for you
 

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Are you saying the 10 commandments have been abolished?
the New testament does not repeat the Sabbath command , all other nine are.

contrary to what you judeaizers try to push , there are 2 covenants.

new covenant, not a renewed covenant...
 
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all support a combination of following law and having love through the Messiah (the physical and the spiritual) being required of us.
Paul teaches......."""You (the born again) are become DEAD TO THE LAW, >>BY<<.....= the body of Christ.""""

So, according to you, MalkB..... this has not happened to you yet, which is why you keep obsessing on the LAW.

Jesus says...>"you must be born again", and you need to get that resolved, so that you then become...>"DEAD to the LAW, by the Body of Christ'"""
 
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14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Malikb,

What i notice about heretics over the years, is that they are always found lost in some symbolic verse, not understanding that its symbolic,..... because the bible is CLOSED TO THEM....... as they """"wrest the scriptures to their own destruction"""".
 
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"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of THE LAW"

"The POWER OF SIN"...is the LAW."""

"The LETTER (the law) KILLETH< but the Spirit giveth Life".

Again the law was not a curse. Those who failed to keep the law were under a curse, as it is written … Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”


Christ redeemed those who were under the law, from the curse of the law.


Gentiles were not under the law.


Probably best you don’t try engage in this thread since you clearly have no idea what your taking about, much like the other thread.





JPT
 
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Again the law was not a curse. Those who failed to keep the law were under a curse,
You didnt keep the Law, so you are under the curse of the Law.
Jesus died to "redeem you from the curse of the Law", and from its "power" to cause you to keep sinning.

You might consider being thankful that He did this for you, if you are born again.
If you're not, then keep talking about the LAW in 100 more posts.
 
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Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

what are these laws?

Gods Laws ??


The law of Christ. Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant.



JPT