The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Here is what all who read this thread understand, brightfame52:
brightfame52 says:
then you were shown from Scripture that Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
brightfame52 says:
then you were shown from Scripture that in order to determine who were those who were quickened in Eph 2:5:
brightfame52 says:
then you were shown from Scripture
brightfame52 asks:
reneweddaybyday response to brightfame52:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
brightfame52 says:
"Everyone Christ died for, was made sin for, was made the Righteousness of God in Him"
then you were shown from Scripture that Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
brightfame52 says:
"... this was not because they repented, or had faith or any performance of theirs, because they were dead ! Read Eph 2:5 again ! The quickening took place while we were dead in sin !"
then you were shown from Scripture that in order to determine who were those who were quickened in Eph 2:5:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened ...
Who is the "you" He has quickened?
We must go back to Ephesians 1 to determine who is the "you".
You do know that all chapter breaks and verses were not part of the original text. Chapters and verse numbers were added later. At the time Paul wrote the letter to the Ephesians it was not broken out into verses/chapters ... you know this, right brightfame52?
Ephesians 1:15-22 is Paul's prayer for the believers who had trusted after they heard the word of truth ... after they heard the gospel of salvation they believed, after they believed they were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
brightfame52 says:
"But Christ's Death, His act of Righteousness brings Life Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Thats the Life of Eph 2:5"
then you were shown from Scripture
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
brightfame52 asks:
"Do you understand the points made ?"
reneweddaybyday response to brightfame52:
brightfame52, You have been shown from Scripture that "the points made" by you do not align with God's Word. Quit manipulating Scripture in order to prop up your "points made".
Align your "points made" with Scripture ... that means study Scripture ... read it ... read the word within the verse, the verse within the context, the context within the whole.
Don't take one verse from Colossians and a verse from Revelation and claim that both verses say the same thing.
A verse from Colossians sits within the context of the whole written to the church at Colosse
A verse from Revelation was written concerning the things which thou [John] hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter - Rev 1:19.
Read all of Colossians. Take the verse from Colossians and understand it within the context of the whole letter.
Read all of Revelation and understand the verse within the context of the whole letter.
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
No i dont just believe its "Christ's Death", that produces Salvation, as you stated.
And Neither does God.
Maybe you should read a bible? Maybe a New Testament?
Here is What God says....>"Without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no remission".
Notice Paul's teaching......'""""Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us""""""
So, Salvation is not just the Body of God being offered as you teach..... its the BLOOD, and the Body, and the DEATH, and the Resurrection.
Its all of this.
See, when someone like me "preaches the CROSS", i am preaching the Blood, Death, and resurrection".
Paul says..>>"Christ came to save SINNERS";...........and to save them He had to fulfill the law, as a sinless life, and offer Himself in place of the SINNER, on the Cross.
The BLOOD Atonement, is found here...... Romans 3:21-28.
You might read it. and notice carefully : verse 25.
And Neither does God.
Maybe you should read a bible? Maybe a New Testament?
Here is What God says....>"Without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no remission".
Notice Paul's teaching......'""""Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us""""""
So, Salvation is not just the Body of God being offered as you teach..... its the BLOOD, and the Body, and the DEATH, and the Resurrection.
Its all of this.
See, when someone like me "preaches the CROSS", i am preaching the Blood, Death, and resurrection".
Paul says..>>"Christ came to save SINNERS";...........and to save them He had to fulfill the law, as a sinless life, and offer Himself in place of the SINNER, on the Cross.
The BLOOD Atonement, is found here...... Romans 3:21-28.
You might read it. and notice carefully : verse 25.
The declared Blessing of Rom 4:25
All those Jesus Christ died for are by His Death made Righteous Rom 5:19, first and foremost before God, and this is their Justification, this is True because Paul states before, in regards to all for whom He died, that He was delivered on account of our sins or Transgressions, this was because they had been charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for [for the sake of] our sins according to the scriptures; 2 Cor 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Note: In order for Christ to have died for sin, the sins had to be charged to Him !
And He was raised again on account of our Justification, because their Justification was an accomplished Fact Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for [on account of]our offences, and was raised again for[on account of] our justification.105
Now if Christ died and rose again for an Individual in 33 ad, and this individual or individuals were not physically born sinners until 1960ad, this sinner or sinners are born already Justified, unless we undo the accomplished fact that the resurrection of Christ verified ! If all for whom Christ died for the sake of, had not been Justified or made Righteous before God, by His obedience unto Death [Phil 2:8], then He could not have or would not have been raised from the dead, and all for whom He did die would still be in their sins ! 1 Cor 15:17. You see the resurrection took place as a consequence of the Justification of all Christ died for, in the same manner, His death occurred as a consequence of the sins of all He died for. The Resurrection proved that God had been fully satisfied and propitiated, and all our sins forgiven, at the Blood of Christ !
All those Jesus Christ died for are by His Death made Righteous Rom 5:19, first and foremost before God, and this is their Justification, this is True because Paul states before, in regards to all for whom He died, that He was delivered on account of our sins or Transgressions, this was because they had been charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for [for the sake of] our sins according to the scriptures; 2 Cor 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Note: In order for Christ to have died for sin, the sins had to be charged to Him !
And He was raised again on account of our Justification, because their Justification was an accomplished Fact Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for [on account of]our offences, and was raised again for[on account of] our justification.105
Now if Christ died and rose again for an Individual in 33 ad, and this individual or individuals were not physically born sinners until 1960ad, this sinner or sinners are born already Justified, unless we undo the accomplished fact that the resurrection of Christ verified ! If all for whom Christ died for the sake of, had not been Justified or made Righteous before God, by His obedience unto Death [Phil 2:8], then He could not have or would not have been raised from the dead, and all for whom He did die would still be in their sins ! 1 Cor 15:17. You see the resurrection took place as a consequence of the Justification of all Christ died for, in the same manner, His death occurred as a consequence of the sins of all He died for. The Resurrection proved that God had been fully satisfied and propitiated, and all our sins forgiven, at the Blood of Christ !
Here is what God teaches...
"without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin".
So, Christ offered His Blood, and His body, and His Death.
Have you ever taken the Sacrament or Holy Communion?
Do you not understand that the CUP represents the BLOOD of Christ, Shed, and the BREAD represents the BODY of Christ given.........All on the Cross?
All of this, is the Sacrifice of God on the Cross for the sin of the World......John 3:16
"without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin".
So, Christ offered His Blood, and His body, and His Death.
Have you ever taken the Sacrament or Holy Communion?
Do you not understand that the CUP represents the BLOOD of Christ, Shed, and the BREAD represents the BODY of Christ given.........All on the Cross?
All of this, is the Sacrifice of God on the Cross for the sin of the World......John 3:16
None shall be Lost whom Christ died for !
Jn 6:37-40
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
The christ of antichrist religions will loose many he intended to save ! The anti christ jesus died to save millions, and yet the gates of hell prevailed against them, and they shall hear these words in the day of Judgment Matt 7:23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Their iniquities as we can read here were held against them in the day of Judgment ! This in spite of the fact that supposedly their iniquities were charged to him Isa 53:6
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The word laid here is the hebrew word paga` and means:
to encounter, meet, reach, entreat, make intercession
a) (Qal)
1) to meet, light upon, join
2) to meet (of kindness)
3) to encounter, fall upon (of hostility)
4) to encounter, entreat (of request)
5) to strike, touch (of boundary)
The idea here is that God caused our iniquities to fall upon Him !
The NASB: All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
God caused our Punishment to meet upon Him for our iniquities !
However the anti christ ministers says many, millions for whom this occurred, shall here yet the dreadful words from Christ mouth Matt 7:23
That means they were lost, they perished. Now the Christ that I know and Preach of, did not Loose any, none for whom He died shall Perish.
He can always boast Jn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jn 18:9
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
Jesus gave one exception, the son of perdition, however none that He died for can go into perdition. Only those whose names that were not written in the book of life from the foundation shall meet with such an end Rev 17:8
8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
You see, all those whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation, shall follow and worship the beast of perdition Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
None for whom Christ died shall go into perdition, or be lost, but every last one of them shall hear these words from their Saviour King Matt 25:34
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
You know why Jesus said the Kingdom was prepared for them from the foundation of the world, before they even had being ? Because that's when their names were written in the book of Life, from the foundation of the world ! They are the antithesis of these Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. or Rev 17:8
8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
What caused them to differ ? God's Eternal Elective Love, that's it. What Christ do you follow today ? The one that millions for whom he died shall shall still go into perdition, be lost, or the One that None for whom He died shall be Lost ? 107
Jn 6:37-40
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
The christ of antichrist religions will loose many he intended to save ! The anti christ jesus died to save millions, and yet the gates of hell prevailed against them, and they shall hear these words in the day of Judgment Matt 7:23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Their iniquities as we can read here were held against them in the day of Judgment ! This in spite of the fact that supposedly their iniquities were charged to him Isa 53:6
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The word laid here is the hebrew word paga` and means:
to encounter, meet, reach, entreat, make intercession
a) (Qal)
1) to meet, light upon, join
2) to meet (of kindness)
3) to encounter, fall upon (of hostility)
4) to encounter, entreat (of request)
5) to strike, touch (of boundary)
The idea here is that God caused our iniquities to fall upon Him !
The NASB: All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
God caused our Punishment to meet upon Him for our iniquities !
However the anti christ ministers says many, millions for whom this occurred, shall here yet the dreadful words from Christ mouth Matt 7:23
That means they were lost, they perished. Now the Christ that I know and Preach of, did not Loose any, none for whom He died shall Perish.
He can always boast Jn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jn 18:9
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
Jesus gave one exception, the son of perdition, however none that He died for can go into perdition. Only those whose names that were not written in the book of life from the foundation shall meet with such an end Rev 17:8
8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
You see, all those whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation, shall follow and worship the beast of perdition Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
None for whom Christ died shall go into perdition, or be lost, but every last one of them shall hear these words from their Saviour King Matt 25:34
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
You know why Jesus said the Kingdom was prepared for them from the foundation of the world, before they even had being ? Because that's when their names were written in the book of Life, from the foundation of the world ! They are the antithesis of these Rev 13:8
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. or Rev 17:8
8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
What caused them to differ ? God's Eternal Elective Love, that's it. What Christ do you follow today ? The one that millions for whom he died shall shall still go into perdition, be lost, or the One that None for whom He died shall be Lost ? 107
Your "point" does not align with Scripture.
Here's an example of how you misinterpret Scripture:
In Post #383, you stated:
In Post #387, I pointed out your error in claiming that the believer is "made free from the guilt of sin":
Romans 6:18 tells us we are free from sin. period.
Sin no longer has a hold over the born again one. We are able to overcome the bondage of sin as we reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:11).
What you are doing with Scripture is called sleight of men, and cunning craftiness
What you are doing, brightfame52, whether you want to admit it or not, is changing God's Word from what God tells us ... that the born again one is no longer under the dominion of sin (Rom 6:14). Sin has no power over the born again believer to enslave him or her. The born again believer is free from sin in order that he or she may serve unto righteousness (Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness - Romans 6:18).
You are changing what God tells the believer ... that sin has no power to enslave him or her ...
Your claim that the believer is "made free from the guilt of sin" deviates from the truth of Scripture. By claiming that the believer is made free from the "guilt of sin", you are saying that the believer remains under the dominion of sin ... so go ahead and sin because the believer is made free from the "guilt of sin". Talk about sleight of man and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14)!!!
Romans 6:
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ ourLord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Here's an example of how you misinterpret Scripture:
In Post #383, you stated:
Then how are those Christ died for free from sin ?
They are made free from the guilt of sin [consciously] by the blood of Christ. You see under the Old Covenant System, those sacrifices were not geared to remove the guilt of sin consciously, for it [guilt] would return and so offerings were made annually, but not so with Faith in Christ's blood, the guilt is purged Heb 9:9
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Those Christ died for will come to the realization by a work of the Holy Spirit, that their guilt for sin has been effectually dealt with by the blood of Christ !
In Post #387, I pointed out your error in claiming that the believer is "made free from the guilt of sin":
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
When Romans 6:18 tells us the born again ones are made free from sin, that is exactly what is meant. Romans 6:18 is not speaking of being "made free from the guilt of sin [consciously]" or "their guilt for sin".
Romans 6:18 tells us we are free from sin. period.
Sin no longer has a hold over the born again one. We are able to overcome the bondage of sin as we reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:11).
What you are doing with Scripture is called sleight of men, and cunning craftiness
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
Read the verse within the context.
Quit running to Hebrews 9 to explain Romans 6. Romans 6 explains Romans 6.
Read the verse within the context.
Quit running to Hebrews 9 to explain Romans 6. Romans 6 explains Romans 6.
What you are doing, brightfame52, whether you want to admit it or not, is changing God's Word from what God tells us ... that the born again one is no longer under the dominion of sin (Rom 6:14). Sin has no power over the born again believer to enslave him or her. The born again believer is free from sin in order that he or she may serve unto righteousness (Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness - Romans 6:18).
You are changing what God tells the believer ... that sin has no power to enslave him or her ...
Your claim that the believer is "made free from the guilt of sin" deviates from the truth of Scripture. By claiming that the believer is made free from the "guilt of sin", you are saying that the believer remains under the dominion of sin ... so go ahead and sin because the believer is made free from the "guilt of sin". Talk about sleight of man and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14)!!!
Romans 6:
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ ourLord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
nope ... learn to properly study Scripture first ... then I will be happy to "rehearse [your] points back to [you]" because the points will be God's points, not your "points".
What is the difference between exegesis and eisegesis?
Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.
The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.
Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.
Second Timothy 2:15 commands us to use exegetical methods: “Present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” An honest student of the Bible will be an exegete, allowing the text to speak for itself. Eisegesis easily lends itself to error, as the would-be interpreter attempts to align the text with his own preconceived notions. Exegesis allows us to agree with the Bible; eisegesis seeks to force the Bible to agree with us.
The process of exegesis involves 1) observation: what does the passage say? 2) interpretation: what does the passage mean? 3) correlation: how does the passage relate to the rest of the Bible? and 4) application: how should this passage affect my life?
Eisegesis, on the other hand, involves 1) imagination: what idea do I want to present? 2) exploration: what Scripture passage seems to fit with my idea? and 3) application: what does my idea mean? Notice that, in eisegesis, there is no examination of the words of the text or their relationship to each other, no cross-referencing with related passages, and no real desire to understand the actual meaning. Scripture serves only as a prop to the interpreter’s idea.
To illustrate, let’s use both approaches in the treatment of one passage:
2 Chronicles 27:1-2
“Jotham was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem sixteen years. . . . He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Uzziah had done, but unlike him he did not enter the temple of the LORD.”
EISEGESIS
First, the interpreter decides on a topic. Today, it’s “The Importance of Church Attendance.” The interpreter reads 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 and sees that King Jotham was a good king, just like his father Uzziah had been, except for one thing: he didn’t go to the temple! This passage seems to fit his idea, so he uses it. The resulting sermon deals with the need for passing on godly values from one generation to the next. Just because King Uzziah went to the temple every week didn’t mean that his son would continue the practice. In the same way, many young people today tragically turn from their parents’ training, and church attendance drops off. The sermon ends with a question: “How many blessings did Jotham fail to receive, simply because he neglected church?”
Certainly, there is nothing wrong with preaching about church attendance or the transmission of values. And a cursory reading of 2 Chronicles 27:1-2 seems to support that passage as an apt illustration. However, the above interpretation is totally wrong. For Jotham not to go to the temple was not wrong; in fact, it was very good, as the proper approach to the passage will show.
EXEGESIS
First, the interpreter reads the passage and, to fully understand the context, he reads the histories of both Uzziah and Jotham (2 Chronicles 26-27; 2 Kings 15:1-6, 32-38). In his observation, he discovers that King Uzziah was a good king who nevertheless disobeyed the Lord when he went to the temple and offered incense on the altar—something only a priest had the right to do (2 Chronicles 26:16-20). Uzziah’s pride and his contamination of the temple resulted in his having “leprosy until the day he died” (2 Chronicles 26:21).
Needing to know why Uzziah spent the rest of his life in isolation, the interpreter studies Leviticus 13:46 and does some research on leprosy. Then he compares the use of illness as a punishment in other passages, such as 2 Kings 5:27; 2 Chronicles 16:12; and 21:12-15.
By this time, the exegete understands something important: when the passage says Jotham “did not enter the temple of the LORD,” it means he did not repeat his father’s mistake. Uzziah had proudly usurped the priest’s office; Jotham was more obedient.
The resulting sermon might deal with the Lord’s discipline of His children, with the blessing of total obedience, or with our need to learn from the mistakes of the past rather than repeat them.
Of course, exegesis takes more time than eisegesis. But if we are to be those unashamed workmen “who correctly handle the word of truth,” then we must take the time to truly understand the text. Exegesis is the only way.
The Lord will not impute sin
Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The word impute means :
to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
a) to take into account, to make an account of
1) metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
For those Christ died for, who had their sins imputed to Him, or Charged to Him, those are the men that are Blessed in Rom 4:8, because God, having imputed their sins to Christ, will not imputed sin unto them !
Thats another accomplishment of the Atonement, Because sins have been already paid for by Christ's Death, those sins can never be charged to those same ones that had their sins charged to Christ. The strength of sin is the Law.
No one Christ died for owes any debt of sin against God's Law. That goes for Believer or Unbeliever who Christ died for, because Christ has already paid their debt to God's Law and Justice. This is a fact whether it is believed or not, even though in due time this fact will be made known to all for whom Christ died. 108
Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The word impute means :
to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
a) to take into account, to make an account of
1) metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
For those Christ died for, who had their sins imputed to Him, or Charged to Him, those are the men that are Blessed in Rom 4:8, because God, having imputed their sins to Christ, will not imputed sin unto them !
Thats another accomplishment of the Atonement, Because sins have been already paid for by Christ's Death, those sins can never be charged to those same ones that had their sins charged to Christ. The strength of sin is the Law.
No one Christ died for owes any debt of sin against God's Law. That goes for Believer or Unbeliever who Christ died for, because Christ has already paid their debt to God's Law and Justice. This is a fact whether it is believed or not, even though in due time this fact will be made known to all for whom Christ died. 108
nope ... you peddle false dogma ... and approximately 3 months ago, at Post #3 of this thread, I showed you the folly of your dogma:
If, as you claim, "the elect" were reconciled to God before they are born, they have no need of reconciliation.
You continue to peddle a false dogma which does not bring the sinner to the Lord Jesus Christ in Whom the sinner is reconciled to God.
Romans 5:10-11 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Prior to being born again, all descendants of Adam were "enemies" in need of the redemption which is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
All descendants of Adam have sinned and come short of the glory of God (vs 23).
However, in vs 22 we read that the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe. Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ...
And in vs 25 we read that it is the Lord Jesus Christ Who God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood. Again, descendants of Adam who believe ...
Under your scenario, "the elect" do not have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ because "[e]ven before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already ... been reconciled to God" . Quit peddling your false dogma. Read your Bible.
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