"Godly sorrow worketh repentance."

[phil36]

"Godly sorrow worketh repentance."
2 Corinthians 7:10

Genuine, spiritual mourning for sin is the work of the Spirit of God. Repentance is too choice a flower to grow in nature's garden. Pearls grow naturally in oysters, but penitence never shows itself in sinners except divine grace works it in them. If thou hast one particle of real hatred for sin, God must have given it thee, for human nature's thorns never produced a single fig. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh."

True repentance has a distinct reference to the Saviour. When we repent of sin, we must have one eye upon sin and another upon the cross, or it will be better still if we fix both our eyes upon Christ and see our transgressions only, in the light of his love.

True sorrow for sin is eminently practical. No man may say he hates sin, if he lives in it. Repentance makes us see the evil of sin, not merely as a theory, but experimentally--as a burnt child dreads fire. We shall be as much afraid of it, as a man who has lately been stopped and robbed is afraid of the thief upon the highway; and we shall shun it--shun it in everything--not in great things only, but in little things, as men shun little vipers as well as great snakes. True mourning for sin will make us very jealous over our tongue, lest it should say a wrong word; we shall be very watchful over our daily actions, lest in anything we offend, and each night we shall close the day with painful confessions of shortcoming, and each morning awaken with anxious prayers, that this day God would hold us up that we may not sin against him.

Sincere repentance is continual. Believers repent until their dying day. This dropping well is not intermittent. Every other sorrow yields to time, but this dear sorrow grows with our growth, and it is so sweet a bitter, that we thank God we are permitted to enjoy and to suffer it until we enter our eternal rest.

C.H. Spurgeon (Morning and Evening)

 

[Omegatime]

I have a different outlook than Spurgeon did. Why should we repent again of sins. Did not Christ die one for all our sins? Are we not covered under grace? Are we to make the lord go back to the cross each time we sin?


For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 1 Peter 3:18

so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28

 

[Pilgrimshope]

"Godly sorrow worketh repentance."
2 Corinthians 7:10

Genuine, spiritual mourning for sin is the work of the Spirit of God. Repentance is too choice a flower to grow in nature's garden. Pearls grow naturally in oysters, but penitence never shows itself in sinners except divine grace works it in them. If thou hast one particle of real hatred for sin, God must have given it thee, for human nature's thorns never produced a single fig. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh."

True repentance has a distinct reference to the Saviour. When we repent of sin, we must have one eye upon sin and another upon the cross, or it will be better still if we fix both our eyes upon Christ and see our transgressions only, in the light of his love.

True sorrow for sin is eminently practical. No man may say he hates sin, if he lives in it. Repentance makes us see the evil of sin, not merely as a theory, but experimentally--as a burnt child dreads fire. We shall be as much afraid of it, as a man who has lately been stopped and robbed is afraid of the thief upon the highway; and we shall shun it--shun it in everything--not in great things only, but in little things, as men shun little vipers as well as great snakes. True mourning for sin will make us very jealous over our tongue, lest it should say a wrong word; we shall be very watchful over our daily actions, lest in anything we offend, and each night we shall close the day with painful confessions of shortcoming, and each morning awaken with anxious prayers, that this day God would hold us up that we may not sin against him.

Sincere repentance is continual. Believers repent until their dying day. This dropping well is not intermittent. Every other sorrow yields to time, but this dear sorrow grows with our growth, and it is so sweet a bitter, that we thank God we are permitted to enjoy and to suffer it until we enter our eternal rest.

C.H. Spurgeon (Morning and Evening)

repentance the word seems offensive to sinners because it is saying “ you aren’t good enough , you need to change”

but it’s a beautiful concept if we hear Jesus and his understanding and how he views repentance

“And he said, A certain man had two sons: And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living. And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:11-24‬ ‭

the understanding there is incredible and changes how we understand repentance

the Fatger never forced the sons to choose either way one remained and the other , demanded his inheritance , chose to leave his fathers house , wasted and blew his inheritance and found himself desolate and alone .

this brought him sorrow as we see there he had a moment of realization and knew he had made the wrong choice and knew it was no Knew fault but his own that he was in that position

he wasn’t overcome with worldly sorrow but it caused him to repent and come to himself again , if he had been successful and continued making money and living as he was he would never have come to that place of repentance and decided in his heart to return home where his Father was

I think that we see that it was when he hit that moment of low and sorrow and realization without excuses or blame for others who wronged us , he took responsibility and realized his own sins and that causes the sorrowful repentance that lead him toward home

but we see the Loving father he was already waiting and earth Cho king anticipating his son who had done all that wrong to be moving toward home to come to that place where he was feeding the slop tonthe pigs and wanting to eat it himself he realized his sinfulness and unclean ness

he saw sin for what it really is a thief and liar , a deceiver and killer of man seeking to steal the inheritance and waste it away and watch us eat slop with the swine ot delights Satan when we live in that frame of mind thinking it’s just poor me everyone’s done me wrong “not my fault I’m gonna head to the club this weekend and get smashed you comin ?! “

repentance is a frame of mind and that moment and season of godly sorrow is what brings us to that place that shows us we’re eating pig food and lying in thier excrement

We find a broken heart and broken and contrite spirit in godly sorrow and that’s what he’s waiting for so he can come running to meet us as we’re feeling ghilty explaining our sins to him , he is overwhelmed with joy just to see us come home to know we finally remembered the truth and where our home really is and most of all we remember who truly and dearly and desperately loves us and waits longing to see us turn towards home in his lovong arms and care

but if we choose to remain a farmers hand and take to that life without repentance we can never experience that moment of embrace because he’s never going to come drag us by the hair fighting against us he needs us to get to this point

David’s psalm 51 shows us the same event as the prodigal a wayward son whod sinned greatly against God his law and Uriah his good and loved man , but was crushed by it and found godly sorrow and repentance and forgiveness

the key is to reach this plateau as the wayward son did realizing and acknowledging his own sins and forgetting about everyone else’s role in his choices he took responsibility like David did

“Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what brings all men to repentance is this godly sorrow you posted of here and it’s effect in our heart of hearts

“The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A man who acknowledges his sin in Gods presence is going to feel sorrow for tbier sins against him when they don’t shift the blame and it hurts to fail and realize it was actually us that did it all but man , the Fathers love is able to heal every hurt and shame we knew from our own deeds and choices of we’ve been the prodigal and understand that part he is never going to cast us away , but we’re always free to leave of we love the other places

 

[Kidron]

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Sincere repentance is continual. Believers repent until their dying day.

Your Thread is the path to falling from Grace and entering the mind blindness that is Legalsim.

Paul teaches this.....>"there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ", and you are teaching the opposite....which is......to live in a state of feeling condemned so that you can then try to repent as a type of failed discipleship.

Reader, the Born again are "made righteous" and have become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Here is how you are to think.......>"i am the righteousness of God in Christ"........
See that THOUGHT? See that MIND ???
That is the TRUTH.......as that is who you now have become, as a "new Creation, in Christ".
You are not to live in some feelings of repentance, as if you are a bad person, .....but you are to iive in THE VICTORY that God has given you, as this......"The gift of Righteousness".

Here is you, here is what you have become if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are saved.

1. Saint
2. Son of God, Daughter of Christ
3. Blood Bought
4. Heir of God
5 Joint heir with Christ
6.. Temple of the Holy Spirit
7. One with God
8. Friend of God
9. Redeemed
10, BORN AGAIN


So, all of that is NOT some type of "living in repentance"......but rather its to exist as God has recreated you to be, and that is never a "saved sinner" or any type of condemnation self evaluation.

 

[Wansvic]

Your Thread is the path to falling from Grace and entering the mind blindness that is Legalsim.

Paul teaches this.....>"there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ", and you are teaching the opposite....which is......to live in a state of feeling condemned so that you can then try to repent as a type of failed discipleship.

Reader, the Born again are "made righteous" and have become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Here is how you are to think.......>"i am the righteousness of God in Christ"........
See that THOUGHT? See that MIND ???
That is the TRUTH.......as that is who you now have become, as a "new Creation, in Christ".
You are not to live in some feelings of repentance, as if you are a bad person, .....but you are to iive in THE VICTORY that God has given you, as this......"The gift of Righteousness".

Here is you, here is what you have become if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are saved.

1. Saint
2. Son of God, Daughter of Christ
3. Blood Bought
4. Heir of God
5 Joint heir with Christ
6.. Temple of the Holy Spirit
7. One with God
8. Friend of God
9. Redeemed
10, BORN AGAIN


So, all of that is NOT some type of "living in repentance"......but rather its to exist as God has recreated you to be, and that is never a "saved sinner" or any type of condemnation self evaluation.

1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:1-4
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I have a different outlook than Spurgeon did. Why should we repent again of sins. Did not Christ die one for all our sins? Are we not covered under grace? Are we to make the lord go back to the cross each time we sin?


For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 1 Peter 3:18

so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28

I thought C.H. Spurgeon meant when he said continually repent was to continually renew the mind/continually getting better at resembling the new creation you have become after the first repentance when GOD created us New.

I don't believe we have to repent more than once.I think many Interpret that scripture far to much than one repentance.

1 John 1:9
King James Version

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Kidron]

1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,

wansvic,

let me explain a really basic principle to you, regarding understanding bible verses.

1st, you have to be born again, and not just water baptized, or the bible is CLOSED to you.

2nd, you have to realize that the Apostles were first and foremost PREACHERS. And that means that you often find them preaching to the LOST.
And you have to understand this, as you begin your journey into "how to understand the NT", or.....you will read a verse that is talking to a JEW, a GREEK, or an UNBELIEVER, and you will think it is talking to you.

Notice.......1st John 3:9......says that the born again, "can't sin".

""""""Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God""""

= "can't sin"

Then you read a verse that happens before this verse, and it says...>"if we say we have no sin".

So, it can't be both, reader.

Use a touch of logic and ask yourself.....>"does an Apostle HAVE SIN".........."have".
Not quite.

So, if Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again, and 1st John 3:9 says that the born again can't sin, then connect THE DOTS and understand why 1st John can't be talking to a Child of God.

 

[Gardenias]

Your Thread is the path to falling from Grace and entering the mind blindness that is Legalsim.

Paul teaches this.....>"there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ", and you are teaching the opposite....which is......to live in a state of feeling condemned so that you can then try to repent as a type of failed discipleship.

Reader, the Born again are "made righteous" and have become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Here is how you are to think.......>"i am the righteousness of God in Christ"........
See that THOUGHT? See that MIND ???
That is the TRUTH.......as that is who you now have become, as a "new Creation, in Christ".
You are not to live in some feelings of repentance, as if you are a bad person, .....but you are to iive in THE VICTORY that God has given you, as this......"The gift of Righteousness".

Here is you, here is what you have become if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are saved.

1. Saint
2. Son of God, Daughter of Christ
3. Blood Bought
4. Heir of God
5 Joint heir with Christ
6.. Temple of the Holy Spirit
7. One with God
8. Friend of God
9. Redeemed
10, BORN AGAIN


So, all of that is NOT some type of "living in repentance"......but rather its to exist as God has recreated you to be, and that is never a "saved sinner" or any type of condemnation self evaluation.

If God can repent ( be sorrowful) why shouldn't we?
Are you above God?

Do you ever....
Hurt someone's feelings?
Let slip a curse word?
Yell at other drivers?
Fail to show kindness when you can?
Get impatient bc you're feeling under?
Fail to do your best?
Ignore the problems around you?
Have a lack of love when needed?

Being born again and a child of God doesn't take away the flesh!

 

[phil36]

Notice.......1st John 3:9......says that the born again, "can't sin".

Then you read a verse that happens before this verse, and it says...>"if we say we have no sin".

So, it can't be both, reader.

Use a touch of logic and ask yourself.....>"does an Apostle HAVE SIN".........."have".
Not quite.

So, if Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again, and 1st John 3:9 says that the born again can't sin, then connect THE DOTS and understand why 1st John can't be talking to a Child of God.

Terrible exegesis.

 

[Kidron]

If God can repent ( be sorrowful) why shouldn't we?
Are you above God?

Do you ever....
Hurt someone's feelings?
Let slip a curse word?
Yell at other drivers?
Fail to show kindness when you can?
Get impatient bc you're feeling under?
Fail to do your best?
Ignore the problems around you?
Have a lack of love when needed?

Being born again and a child of God doesn't take away the flesh!

If we were perfect, then God didn't need to die as Christ on the Cross to save us.

So, noone is suggesting that we should not resolve an issue if we cause it, and forgive one that hurt us.
That is not the same as living in repentance as if God has not made us equal to His righteousness.
We are required to understand who we have become as a "New Creation" in Christ, as the renewed mind.

 

[Kidron]

Terrible exegesis.

Not if you understand "The gift of righteousness', and "Made Righteous", and "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".

However, if you are trying to work your way into heaven, thinking that water saved you, then i can see where this religious but lost person would not believe that the born again are this......>"As Jesus IS.......so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".

Do you see sin there?
Take a good look.

 

[phil36]

Not if you understand "The gift of righteousness', and "Made Righteous", and "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".

However, if you are trying to work your way into heaven, thinking that water saved you, then i can see where this religious but lost person would not believe that the born again are this......>"As Jesus IS.......so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".

Do you see sin there?
Take a good look.

I understand the what the Christians position in Christ is. Were does water come into it? And works righteousness? I never mentioned either.

Do you sin?

 

[Kidron]

Do you sin?

Why would i do that, when God gives me this.....>"Christ always Gives me the Victory".

1 Corinthians 15:57

Listen,
that verse is TRUE.!

Salvation is not the power to keep sinning.......its the victory over "the world, the flesh, and the devil"

 

[phil36]

Why would i do that, when God gives me this.....>"Christ always Gives me the Victory".

So yo never sin, you are saying you are sinless?

 

[Kidron]

So yo never sin, you are sinless?

Im this...

"the righteousness of God in Christ"......"made Righteous"..........Im "In Christ". Im "one with God".......Im the "temple of the Holy Spirit", .

Im "seated in heavenly places in Christ".


You were taught that you are supposed to sin and confess by some heretic that told you that 1st John 1:9 is what you are....when in fact, its NOT what you are, its what you were, before you were born again...if you are actually born again, and not just water baptized and told by some cult that "the water washed away your sin".

 

[phil36]

Im this...

"the righteousness of God in Christ"......"made Righteous"..........Im "In Christ". Im "one with God".......Im the "temple of the Holy Spirit", .

Im "seated in heavenly places in Christ".


You were taught that you are supposed to sin and confess by some heretic that told you that 1st John 1:9 is what you are....when in fact, its NOT what you are, its what you were, before you were born again...if you are actually born again, and not just water baptized and told by some cult that "the water washed away your sin".

So do you sin, are you saying you are sinless?

 

[Kidron]

So do you sin, are you saying you are sinless?

Im this.....>"the righteousness of God, in Christ". "made righteous".

Do you see this word......"RIGHTEOUSNESS"..........Do you understand it?

Now look at this part......"OF GOD">... See that? That is where the righteousness came from.... that God gave me that becomes who i am, as a "new Creation, in Christ".

And How am i KEPT that way?...........Its because im. 'IN CHRIST".

 

[phil36]

Im this.....>"the righteousness of God, in Christ". "made righteous".

Do you see this word......"RIGHTEOUSNESS"..........Do you understand it?

Now look at this part......"OF GOD">... See that? That is where the righteousness came from.... that God gave me that becomes who i am, as a "new Creation, in Christ".

And How am i KEPT that way?...........Its because im. 'IN CHRIST".

I understand righteousness, I also understand Holiness, but thats not the question the question is as follows.


do you sin, are you saying you are sinless?

 

[Kidron]

I understand righteousness, I also understand Holiness, but thats not the question the question is as follows.


do you sin, are you saying you are sinless?

If you understood "the gift of righteousness and what it means to be made righteous"< then when you read "the born again can't sin", ......in 1 John 3:9, you would not be asking me a redundant question that does not apply to the born again.
Your question applies to those who are not "made righteous" and who are not "in Christ".
Your question is only appropriate for those who are not born again.

 

[phil36]

If you understood "the gift of righteousness and what it means to be made righteous"< then when you read "the born again can't sin", ......in 1 John 3:9, you would not be asking me a redundant question that does not apply to the born again.
Your question applies to those who are not "made righteous" and who are not "in Christ".

This is pure nonsense, and wreaks of extreme Hyper grace theology.

Your reluctance to give a straight answer is very telling.

Does this sound like what you are trying to teach?

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God and flirt with antinomianism.

https://www.gotquestions.org/hyper-grace.html