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This is pure nonsense, and wreaks of extreme Hyper grace theology.
Im born again. "One with GOD, in Christ".
When you understand what that is, what that means, and what that causes and continues.....then you'll agree with me, but not until.
That's on you.
 

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Im born again. "One with GOD, in Christ".
When you understand what that is, what that means, and what that causes and continues.....then you'll agree with me, but not until.
That's on you.

And you have just highlighted the grave errors that the above quote (#20)points out. Your extreme hyper grace view is unbiblical Kidron.


and Just to press the point that you are being unbiblical:

then connect THE DOTS and understand why 1st John can't be talking to a Child of God.

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Teachers of hyper-grace sometimes counter and say that 1 John was written to unbelievers, but John clearly addresses this letter (book) to some believers he knew. They were his "little children." He wrote, "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1).
https://www.compellingtruth.org/hyper-grace.html
 
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And you have just highlighted the grave errors that the above quote (#20)points out. Your extreme hyper grace view is unbiblical Kidron.
You dont understand the Cross of Christ or the blood atonement.

You dont understand this verse.......>"the body is dead, because of sin, but the Spirit is alive because of RIGHTEOUSNESS".

You read that "the born again, can't sin, and you want to spit and throw a tantrum, and try to deny the Grace of God, using some deceived heretics commentary that teaches "why you are always a sinner, and never believe you can stop sinning"., which is what you are saying in contradiction to the status of a Real Son of God..

So, you can preach that deception, and enjoy it as you do......, but you cant stop being this..... Galatians 1:8, for as long as you teach what you teach.
And to stop being Galatians 1:8 , you have to resolve the larger spiritual issue you have.....
 

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I have been reading your poss for a while now, and although you have may things right the extreme errors you mix with it makes for dangerous teaching.

What you are teaching on here is unbiblical. You are teaching extreme Hyper grace!
 
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Somebody might say,the bible Is so hard to understand,How can both of these scriptures be true?

1John 1:8
King James Version
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

1John 3:9
King James Version

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
 
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Your Thread is the path to falling from Grace and entering the mind blindness that is Legalsim.

Paul teaches this.....>"there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ", and you are teaching the opposite....which is......to live in a state of feeling condemned so that you can then try to repent as a type of failed discipleship.

Reader, the Born again are "made righteous" and have become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Here is how you are to think.......>"i am the righteousness of God in Christ"........
See that THOUGHT? See that MIND ???
That is the TRUTH.......as that is who you now have become, as a "new Creation, in Christ".
You are not to live in some feelings of repentance, as if you are a bad person, .....but you are to iive in THE VICTORY that God has given you, as this......"The gift of Righteousness".

Here is you, here is what you have become if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking you are saved.

1. Saint
2. Son of God, Daughter of Christ
3. Blood Bought
4. Heir of God
5 Joint heir with Christ
6.. Temple of the Holy Spirit
7. One with God
8. Friend of God
9. Redeemed
10, BORN AGAIN


So, all of that is NOT some type of "living in repentance"......but rather its to exist as God has recreated you to be, and that is never a "saved sinner" or any type of condemnation self evaluation.
I agree with BOTH points being made here = repentance on one side and grace on both sides.

Personally, i see 'continual repentance' as this: Repent meaning change your thinking so it aligns and agrees with the Mind of Christ which is God's Word.
Under this definition of Repent, i am always seeking to walk in continual repentance for the PURPOSE of having the Mind of Christ when my mind/actions/words are falling short of that Upward and High Calling.
also i FIRMLY AGREE in GRACE: Christ died Once for Sins = PERIOD = It is FINISHED - AMEN
FAITH in the WORD empowered through the Holy Spirit FREES us from religion and any type of self deprivation type of repentance.
 
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What you are teaching on here is unbiblical. You are teaching extreme Hyper grace!
There is no such thing as hyper grace or license to sin.

There is however a cult of Cross denying heretics who teach that the Grace of God, is a license to sin, and that the Blood of Christ that eternally forgive all sin, is "hyper Grace".

IF you see one of these carnal heretics on a forum, then call them out, and of course, never let them into your church.
 

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Somebody might say,the bible Is so hard to understand,How can both of these scriptures be true?

1John 1:8
King James Version
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

1John 3:9
King James Version

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
Perhaps by recognizing that there are sins that do not lead to death? That is to say, once one is sealed by the Holy Spirit of God, they cannot commit the unforgivable sin, while other sins are still possible. This is another point of contention among believers, some who say it is possible to walk away, whereas Jesus said He would lose none whom the Father gives Him, plus we are also told that those who leave never belonged in the first place. Some even claim that all sins (of the latter category) are the same, whereas Jesus told Pilate that the one who handed Him over was guilty of a greater sin.


John 10:27-28

1 John 2:19
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Personally, i see 'continual repentance' as this: Repent meaning change your thinking so it aligns and agrees with the Mind of Christ which is God's Word.
You are sort of suggesting the idea of walking in the spirit.
And that is to come to the knowledge of who you are become, "in Christ", according to God's perspective, and that becomes your real faith, AS the renewed mind.

There are 2 minds, that can be found in a believer.
A wrong mind, which is the "natural mind" or the Carnal mind that is "in the flesh", and the renewed mind, that is to walk in the spirit.

All things with God are Truth, Revelation, Power, and Spirit.
All things with man are none of this.
So, to have the right mind, is to exist in that place of God's perspective of who you are become, as a New Creation, .. and to maintain this real faith, all the time as your renewed mind.
 

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You are sort of suggesting the idea of walking in the spirit.
And that is to come to the knowledge of who you are become, "in Christ", according to God's perspective, and that becomes your real faith, AS the renewed mind.

There are 2 minds, that can be found in a believer.
A wrong mind, which is the "natural mind" or the Carnal mind that is "in the flesh", and the renewed mind, that is to walk in the spirit.

All things with God are Truth, Revelation, Power, and Spirit.
All things with man are none of this.
So, to have the right mind, is to exist in that place of God's perspective of who you are become, as a New Creation, .. and to maintain this real faith, all the time as your renewed mind.

And what doe's one do if they sin?
 
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You are sort of suggesting the idea of walking in the spirit.
And that is to come to the knowledge of who you are become, "in Christ", according to God's perspective, and that becomes your real faith, AS the renewed mind.

There are 2 minds, that can be found in a believer.
A wrong mind, which is the "natural mind" or the Carnal mind that is "in the flesh", and the renewed mind, that is to walk in the spirit.

All things with God are Truth, Revelation, Power, and Spirit.
All things with man are none of this.
So, to have the right mind, is to exist in that place of God's perspective of who you are become, as a New Creation, .. and to maintain this real faith, all the time as your renewed mind.
You must add to that, this: The renewed mind is dependent on and submitted to the Word, that was God from the Beginning = Sola Scriptura = "These words that I speak to you are Spirit and they are LIFE." John 6:63
 
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Perhaps by recognizing that there are sins that do not lead to death? :)
"Christ became sin"..
So, thats all of them, except for the sin of Christ rejection.

See, its this word..."HAVE".......

As that word means that your sin is on you, that you have it.........and that means that Christ who "became sin", does not have your sin, as if He has them, then you dont have them.


Reader....

Somebody has your sin.
You do, or Christ does.
If Christ has them, you go to heaven.
If you have them.....then Jesus said.....>"you must be born again", and then He has them.

Welcome to : SALVATION. ITS THE Eternal CURE........ for all your sin.
 
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Perhaps by recognizing that there are sins that do not lead to death? That is to say, once one is sealed by the Holy Spirit of God, they cannot commit the unforgivable sin, while other sins are still possible. This is another point of contention among believers, some who say it is possible to walk away, whereas Jesus said He would lose none whom the Father gives Him, plus we are also told that those who leave never belonged in the first place. Some even claim that all sins (of the latter category) are the same, whereas Jesus told Pilate that the one who handed Him over was guilty of a greater sin.


John 10:27-28

1 John 2:19
:)
Peace my Sister, something to ponder - I AGREE with your assessment: "I will lose none that the Father gives Me."
My thoughts on this is: " No one is able to pluck them out of My Hand."
two words: lose ( the Lord is All Powerful and never loses sight of anyone of us who are His)
pluck ( the Lord is All Powerful and neither things on earth nor things (satan/angels) in heaven) are able to overcome the Lord/His Church/His People down to 'the very least of these' - which could be me.

My concern is that there seems to be some scriptural support that we retain free will in our walk with the Lord - but i always hope i am wrong on this and keep my mind on His Promises as stated above - PEACE
 
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You must add to that, this: The renewed mind is dependent on and submitted to the Word, that was God from the Beginning = Sola Scriptura = "These words that I speak to you are Spirit and they are LIFE." John 6:63
Sure.

You wrote...>"submitted to the Word"......and that WORD is Christ Himself....so, to be in submission to Christ, keeps you from this issue....>"Apart from me, you can do nothing"..... Jesus said.

So, to be "apart", is a FAITH issue, or a wrong belief issue, that keeps you out of this......."Christ always gives me the Victory".
 
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And what doe's one do if they sin?

Romans 6:7...

"He that is DEAD, is freed from SIN"...

So If you are born again, then your old man, the carnal nature, the sin nature, is "crucified with Christ".= "reckon this OLD MAN dead to sin, but alive to Christ".

So, real Christianity is this........Ephesians 4:24.....>"""And that YOU put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness""

See that "new man"? That is the renewed mind that understands that this is the real you, and not the "dead man" that is "crucified with Christ".

So, when you are thinking about sinning, and worrying about confessing, then you are WEARING, .. you have put back on the "OLD MAN", IN YOUR FAITH.....that is the WRONG MIND......that is the "Mind of the FLESH" or the "natural mind"., and that mind is "enmity against God and cannot understand the Grace of God or the things of God as they are Spiritually Discerned" by the renewed mind, only.
SO, THAT IS a broken faith, or, its to have never yet understood that you are the new man, and you are to exist as "putting on the New man".
Thats REAL FAITH and that real faith allows GOD to empower you to live a perfected discipleship.
 

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Hi Kidron,

It may just be me, a bit thick here I asked you


"what doe's one do if they sin?"

and you answered:

"He that is DEAD, is freed from SIN"...

Are you saying that Christians do not sin?

Anyhow its been good chatting with you. Time for me to go. Have a good evening Kidron.
 

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So, when you are thinking about sinning, and worrying about confessing, then you are WEARING, .. you have put back on the "OLD MAN", IN YOUR FAITH.....that is the WRONG MIND......that is the "Mind of the FLESH" or the "natural mind"., and that mind is "enmity against God
Please show a passage that says the mind that seeks to confess sin to God is a natural (fleshy) mind that is at enmity with God.
 

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Peace my Sister, something to ponder - I AGREE with your assessment: "I will lose none that the Father gives Me."
My thoughts on this is: " No one is able to pluck them out of My Hand."
two words: lose ( the Lord is All Powerful and never loses sight of anyone of us who are His)
pluck ( the Lord is All Powerful and neither things on earth nor things (satan/angels) in heaven) are able to overcome the Lord/His Church/His People down to 'the very least of these' - which could be me.

My concern is that there seems to be some scriptural support that we retain free will in our walk with the Lord - but i always hope i am wrong on this and keep my mind on His Promises as stated above - PEACE
Thank you, David :)


Romans 8:38-39 + Psalm 91-11
:)
 
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Romans 6:7...

"He that is DEAD, is freed from SIN"...

So If you are born again, then your old man, the carnal nature, the sin nature, is "crucified with Christ".= "reckon this OLD MAN dead to sin, but alive to Christ".

So, real Christianity is this........Ephesians 4:24.....>"""And that YOU put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness""

See that "new man"? That is the renewed mind that understands that this is the real you, and not the "dead man" that is "crucified with Christ".

So, when you are thinking about sinning, and worrying about confessing, then you are WEARING, .. you have put back on the "OLD MAN", IN YOUR FAITH.....that is the WRONG MIND......that is the "Mind of the FLESH" or the "natural mind"., and that mind is "enmity against God and cannot understand the Grace of God or the things of God as they are Spiritually Discerned" by the renewed mind, only.
SO, THAT IS a broken faith, or, its to have never yet understood that you are the new man, and you are to exist as "putting on the New man".
Thats REAL FAITH and that real faith allows GOD to empower you to live a perfected discipleship.
i see this 'OR' found in Romans

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.
question: What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

answer: Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
 

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i see this 'OR' found in Romans

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.
question: What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

answer: Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Paul always had the proper perspective about the law of sin, the Almighty's law, his flesh, and himself.