The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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This thread isnt about that.
sure it is as this thread is full of your eisegesis (as well as proper exegesis which rebuts your improper eisegesis which you continue to ignore in favor of your dogmatic eisegesis).


 

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It took away our sins, if He died for you !

Another accomplishment of the Death of Christ for all whom He died, He has taken away their sins, forever !

John the Baptist had it right when he stated this fact Jn 1:29

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The world here cannot mean every single person in the world without exception, because Jesus makes it clear that some shall die in their sins John 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

If they had sins they could die in, then Christ did not take them away as the lamb of God, simple as that !

But world here identifies the scope of which those whose sins have been taken away are word wide, bot jew and gentile !

And Christ bare them away, removed them as far as the east is from the west as David said Ps 103:12

12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

The word removed is the hebrew word rachaq:

to be or become far, be or become distant, be removed, go far away

a) (Qal) to be far, be distant

b) (Piel) to send far away, extend

c) (Hiphil)

1) to make or exhibit distance, be gone far

2) to remove, put far away

2) (Niphal) loose



The Ideal is like that of the scapegoat on the Day of Atonement, observe Lev 16:21-22

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

But as you can see, the type here pertained to only ethnic jews of Israel who were Nationally a Chosen People, but John makes it clear that the Antitype, Christ, He took away the sins of people all over the world, the gentiles also !

Now other scriptures that prove that those Christ died for, it was for the purpose of taking away their sins 1 Jn 3:5

5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

1 Jn 4:10

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. or to take away our sins by appeasing Divine Law and Justice on our Behalf !

Daniel prophesying of this Great work accomplished by Christ for His People states it Like this Dan 9:24

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel here is really saying the same thing as John in Jn 1:29.

So none for whom Christ died has one sin to be punished for, not even unbelief, which is a one of the many sins Christ made an end of ! 109
 
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Jn 1:29

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The world here cannot mean every single person in the world without exception, because Jesus makes it clear that some shall die in their sins John 8:24

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Read John 8:24 with emphasis on the words which you prefer to ignore:

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.


Those who do not believe are the "some shall die in their sins".





 

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The Accomplishments of Christ ! Redeem from all iniquity

What did the Death of Christ actually accomplish for all whom He died for ? You know there is no Preaching Christ and Him crucified 1 Cor 1:23;2:2 as a object of Faith if what He accomplished and effected are not publicized, as well as whom He accomplished it for. Now did the Death of Christ redeem from all iniquity those He gave Himself for ? Lets read Titus 2:14-15

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

And notice the beginning of vs15 Paul said " Speak these things" or Preach them. Paul was telling Titus to Preach these Truths of the Gospel, what Christ has done. Peter wrote of the same things about Christ redemptive effects 1 Pet 1:18-19

18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

However the False Gospel, preached by false witnesses, tell us that Christ's Death does not redeem all for whom He died, but that it [His Death] merely makes all men without exception redeemable ! 110
 

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Read John 8:24 with emphasis on the words which you prefer to ignore:

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.


Those who do not believe are the "some shall die in their sins".
So post 443, what was the point made ? Read it carefully
 
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So post 443, what was the point made ? Read it carefully
What does God's Word say, brightfame52?


It is more needful to understand God's Word than "post 443, what was the point made ?".

READ YOUR BIBLE!!! ... the whole Bible, not just snippets or verses you pluck out of context in order to prop up your eisegesis ...



 

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What does God's Word say, brightfame52?

It is more needful to understand God's Word than "post 443, what was the point made ?".

READ YOUR BIBLE!!! ... the whole Bible, not just snippets or verses you pluck out of context in order to prop up your eisegesis ...
So what was the point i made ?
 

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Redeem from all iniquity continued

To teach that Christ's Death only made redemption from all iniquity, for those He died, merely possible for everyone without exception, is against Christ, for its against, opposed to the real Truth of what Christ actually accomplished and effected for all for whom He died. He actually did redeem them from all iniquity. The word from see Titus 2:14 is the greek word apo and means:

of separation

a) of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ...

b) of separation of a part from the whole

1) where of a whole some part is taken

c) of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed


His Death separates them He died for from iniquity of which the rest of the world lies in see 1 Jn 5:19

He destroys their union with the world, flesh and the devil !

He as Peter proclaims redeems them from a vain conversation, or manner of life 1 Pet 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from [ek away from] your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

He redeems them from unbelief or being unbelievers, unto Faith in God 1 Pet 1:21 " that your faith and hope might be in God"

His resurrection, from His redemptive death, for all whom He died and redeemed, was for the purpose of causing them to have Faith and Hope in God, which confirms what he wrote earlier in the letter 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection from the dead caused them to be born again to a Living Hope, the same Hope of 1 Pet 1:21. This Lively Hope is also Faith, translated so in Heb 10:23

23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised )

As you can see, this Hope or Faith is a redemptive benefit, coming out of the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead, those who deny this, preach a false Gospel, and deny Redemption by His Blood .
 

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the point was nothing more than man's wisdom steeped in your dogmatic eisegesis.
Do you understand that Christ death redeemed them He died for from all iniquity ? I elaborated on that with scripture in post #446
 
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The thread is about the atonement and what it accomplished. So you call that a rabbit trail ?? That figures lol
You Thread tries to establish your hyper calvinistic idea that the elect are saved, as if this is God causing this, and not God allowing everyone free will the opportunity to Believe on Christ.
So, your freewill denying Thread, is not a rabbit trail, its just a cult teaching, same as usual for you.
 
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To teach that Christ's Death only made redemption from all iniquity, for those He died, merely possible for everyone without exception, is against Christ
John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


 
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Do you understand that Christ death redeemed them He died for from all iniquity ?
I understand you rip verses out of context to prop up your dogma. You conveniently did not include Titus 2:11 in your continuous eisegesis:

Titus 2:

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!



 

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You Thread tries to establish your hyper calvinistic idea that the elect are saved, as if this is God causing this, and not God allowing everyone free will the opportunity to Believe on Christ.
So, your freewill denying Thread, is not a rabbit trail, its just a cult teaching, same as usual for you.
Im showing you Gods Truth
 

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I understand you rip verses out of context to prop up your dogma. You conveniently did not include Titus 2:11 in your continuous eisegesis:

Titus 2:

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Obviously you dont get it, thats not good
 

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He accomplished Reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

He accomplished Reconciliation , that is, His Death ALONE has reconciled to God ALL for whom He died, that is precisely what the verse tells us. This reconciliation is Two Fold, it is objective, by which all the elect of God, of all time, by Christ's Death ALONE, have been reconciled to God, not that they were made reconcilable, but actually reconciled, a finished transaction, a done deal !

Can a person be reconciled to God by the Death of His Son and be a Unbeliever and at enmity with God by Nature ? Yes, of course. Paul in Rom 5:10 is stating to Believers, that WHEN or WHILE we were Enemies of God, even THEN, we had been Reconciled to God by the Death of His Son. You see when a sinner who Christ died for , and His Death had satisfied God's Law and Justice on their behalf, those sinners, who are born dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5, who are born as OTHERS , by Nature Children of Wrath Eph 2:3, Who are born by nature Ungodly in their manner of life Rom 5:6 , All such differ from from all others who are born in the same condition, these have already objectively been reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, and to all of them is the PROMISE GIVEN, that they shall be SAVED [ Subjective Reconciliation or Conversion which includes being given both Faith and Repentance] BY HIS LIFE !

To deny this subjective reconciliation to any for whom Christ died, is a denial of the Gospel, the Word of Reconciliation; And since it is obvious from other portions of scripture that everyone in the world without exception shall not be saved by His Life, then reason would tell us that the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is limited to only those that are actually Saved by His Life Rom 5:10. So the conclusion is this, If anyone in that world of 2 Cor 5:19 is not saved by Christ's Life as promised in Rom 5:10b, then the scripture has been proven to be false, and Paul and the other Apostles are found to be False Witnesses ! However, I am absolutely SURE that the Scripture is True and that the Christ I witness of did actually accomplish and effected reconciliation to God for all whom He died, and not one shall be Lost.