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there is a clear difference between the law that was introduced after sin and the law that was before sin.
When God made Adam and Eve there was no sin. Was there a moral law that outlined right and wrong, was sin defined. Did Adam and Eve have a choice to be good or evil?
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Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The services that require blood offerings and the many more that were introduced over time came as a result of sin.
Type meet Antitype at the cross but the moral laws are still what define sin.
All the laws that pointed to and were shadows of, the life death and ministry of Jesus to Save us from sin are no longer required. They are nailed to the cross. The vail was ripped in two.
But sin still happens, so we still need to understand the what sin is. The moral law has not changed, God has not changed His standard of right and wrong, good and evil.
It is still a sin to kill, and Lie, and steal, It is still wrong to take Gods name in vain, and to bow down to graven images.
Why do you find reason to exclude the 4th commandment which was given to all mankind?
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
When God made Adam and Eve there was no sin. Was there a moral law that outlined right and wrong, was sin defined. Did Adam and Eve have a choice to be good or evil?
Yes =
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The services that require blood offerings and the many more that were introduced over time came as a result of sin.
Type meet Antitype at the cross but the moral laws are still what define sin.
All the laws that pointed to and were shadows of, the life death and ministry of Jesus to Save us from sin are no longer required. They are nailed to the cross. The vail was ripped in two.
But sin still happens, so we still need to understand the what sin is. The moral law has not changed, God has not changed His standard of right and wrong, good and evil.
It is still a sin to kill, and Lie, and steal, It is still wrong to take Gods name in vain, and to bow down to graven images.
Why do you find reason to exclude the 4th commandment which was given to all mankind?
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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I definitely agree with you about the sabbath, but I disagree with this statement:
"All the laws that pointed to and were shadows of, the life death and ministry of Jesus to Save us from sin are no longer required. They are nailed to the cross."
I have not seen any compelling evidence that the laws outside of the 10 commandments have been abolished.
2 Corinthians 3:7-8
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
There is a NEW Ministration that is BETTER than the Old Way of Condemnation and Death.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Has faith in Christ even come to you if you are still looking to the Law to try and follow it?
How is it that you can put this Better Way aside in favor of placing yourself under the Law and still call yourself 'Christian'?
1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
I was wondering if this was just a Romans 14 situation. It doesn't seem like it to me. It seems like something that Paul was battling through his whole ministry. If you were to read the New Testament...
I don't know whether to feel sad for people who worship Law instead of Christ or angry that they would pretend to know what they are talking about and sway faithful Christians from the Truth. Its a little bit of both. Which is a confusing emotion....
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
There is a NEW Ministration that is BETTER than the Old Way of Condemnation and Death.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Has faith in Christ even come to you if you are still looking to the Law to try and follow it?
How is it that you can put this Better Way aside in favor of placing yourself under the Law and still call yourself 'Christian'?
1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
I was wondering if this was just a Romans 14 situation. It doesn't seem like it to me. It seems like something that Paul was battling through his whole ministry. If you were to read the New Testament...
I don't know whether to feel sad for people who worship Law instead of Christ or angry that they would pretend to know what they are talking about and sway faithful Christians from the Truth. Its a little bit of both. Which is a confusing emotion....
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Haven't met any Christians, yet?Hebrews 7:11-19
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Do you understand what these scriptures are saying?
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Do you understand what these scriptures are saying?
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Your words:
"The curse of the Law is not about Deut 28? Oh my!
Deuteronomy 28:15 (NKJV)
15 "But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:"
Its post #3007 if you're wondering.
"The curse of the Law is not about Deut 28? Oh my!
Deuteronomy 28:15 (NKJV)
15 "But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:"
Its post #3007 if you're wondering.