PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

[BryanPaul]

This is from Public Health England on the gov.uk website:
One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half
A new study by Public Health England (PHE) has shown that one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine reduces household transmission by up to half.

Studies have already demonstrated that being vaccinated against coronavirus (COVID-19) significantly reduces your risk of being infected.
This new research shows that those who do become infected after receiving one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca vaccine were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on to their household contacts than those who were unvaccinated.

This protection is on top of the reduced risk of a vaccinated person developing symptomatic infection in the first place, which is around 60 to 65% – 4 weeks after one dose of either vaccine.
Households are high-risk settings for transmission and provide early evidence on the impact of vaccines in preventing onward transmission.

By linking case and household contact data with vaccination status, the study compared the likelihood of transmission for a vaccinated case with an unvaccinated one. The study included over 57,000 contacts from 24,000 households in which there was a lab-confirmed case that had received a vaccination, compared with nearly 1 million contacts of unvaccinated cases.

 

[rayzor]

This is from Public Health England on the gov.uk website:
One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half
A new study by Public Health England (PHE) has shown that one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine reduces household transmission by up to half.

Studies have already demonstrated that being vaccinated against coronavirus (COVID-19) significantly reduces your risk of being infected.
This new research shows that those who do become infected after receiving one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca vaccine were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on to their household contacts than those who were unvaccinated.

This protection is on top of the reduced risk of a vaccinated person developing symptomatic infection in the first place, which is around 60 to 65% – 4 weeks after one dose of either vaccine.
Households are high-risk settings for transmission and provide early evidence on the impact of vaccines in preventing onward transmission.

By linking case and household contact data with vaccination status, the study compared the likelihood of transmission for a vaccinated case with an unvaccinated one. The study included over 57,000 contacts from 24,000 households in which there was a lab-confirmed case that had received a vaccination, compared with nearly 1 million contacts of unvaccinated cases.

BryanPaul something is very wrong people r not remembering things.

 

[ZNP]

This is from Public Health England on the gov.uk website:
One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half
A new study by Public Health England (PHE) has shown that one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine reduces household transmission by up to half.

Studies have already demonstrated that being vaccinated against coronavirus (COVID-19) significantly reduces your risk of being infected.
This new research shows that those who do become infected after receiving one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca vaccine were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on to their household contacts than those who were unvaccinated.

This protection is on top of the reduced risk of a vaccinated person developing symptomatic infection in the first place, which is around 60 to 65% – 4 weeks after one dose of either vaccine.
Households are high-risk settings for transmission and provide early evidence on the impact of vaccines in preventing onward transmission.

By linking case and household contact data with vaccination status, the study compared the likelihood of transmission for a vaccinated case with an unvaccinated one. The study included over 57,000 contacts from 24,000 households in which there was a lab-confirmed case that had received a vaccination, compared with nearly 1 million contacts of unvaccinated cases.

You have specific antibodies and non specific antibodies. The mRNA in the "vaccine" causes your body to make a specific antibody for the spike protein. If the Covid variant you are exposed to has this spike protein you will have a more robust immune response to it than a non vaccinated person. However, not all variants have that spike protein so what you have done by vaccinating people is to create an environment that favors variants without the spike protein. This is why the immunity wears off. However, your immune system has been permanently altered to produce all these specific antibodies. Not only are they not useful in fighting any other variant but they actually weaken your overall immune response to other variants. If you want an analogy it is the Magino line of France. If Germany had tried to attack on that border they would have faced a ferocious defense, but instead they chose to drive around the wall and France fell.

Another analogy. Suppose the mafia is threatening businesses with extortion so every business hires a big goon to defend their business from extortion. He is fully equipped to fight off two or three thugs. He is expensive, but costs less than the extortion. You are happy. However, the mafia then hires hackers who hack your computer and rob you that way. This goon is useless and knows nothing about cyber attacks. You decide what you really need is top notch computer security system, however, you then discover the contract with the goon is a lifetime contract. You can't get out of it. Now you can't afford that kid from MIT, instead you have to use your nephew who is in high school and "is good with computers".

 

[BryanPaul]

You have specific antibodies and non specific antibodies. The mRNA in the "vaccine" causes your body to make a specific antibody for the spike protein. If the Covid variant you are exposed to has this spike protein you will have a more robust immune response to it than a non vaccinated person. However, not all variants have that spike protein so what you have done by vaccinating people is to create an environment that favors variants without the spike protein. This is why the immunity wears off. However, your immune system has been permanently altered to produce all these specific antibodies. Not only are they not useful in fighting any other variant but they actually weaken your overall immune response to other variants. If you want an analogy it is the Magino line of France. If Germany had tried to attack on that border they would have faced a ferocious defense, but instead they chose to drive around the wall and France fell.

Interesting, so basically there will need to be new vaccines every year, like with the flu vaccine? In the UK all over fifties get the Flu vaccine free every year, overall death rates are about a quarter of what they were before the flu vaccine program began

 

[ZNP]

Interesting, so basically there will need to be new vaccines every year, like with the flu vaccine? In the UK all over fifties get the Flu vaccine free every year, overall death rates are about a quarter of what they were before the flu vaccine program began

Every vaccine you get that is like this mRNA vaccine that creates specific antibodies will weaken your immune system. In warfare you want both power and flexibility. The specific antibodies are more powerful against a single pathogen but are essentially useless against all others. A non specific antibody is equally powerful against all pathogens. The more specific antibodies your body produces the less non specific ones it produces. Not only so but an immune response could flood your body with these useless antibodies causing an autoimmune disease.

This is why in my analogy the company only has limited funds to spend on defense. If you spend all your money on a goon squad you have nothing left over for protecting against a cyber attack.

 

[rayzor]

psychobabble & analysis paralysis u guys r just saying no 1 here.

 

[BryanPaul]

Ah okay, i think i get your main point now; that mRNA weaken the immune system overall. I wonder if that's why they are particularly worried about the flu this year and reduced the age limit for free vaccines. You'd think everyone being more virus aware would reduce the flu like it did under lock-down but apparently they're expecting it to be worst this winter.

 

[rayzor]

What they do 2 us?

 

[PennEd]

How’s that Pfizer shot working out for you, Israel…
Vaccinated Israel records 10,000+ Covid cases in one day



The vaccination campaign is proceeding at full speed with more than 100,000 shots administered on most days. So far, more than 2.15 million Israelis have received their third shot. On Sunday, anyone over the age of 12 who has been vaccinated for at least five months became eligible for the booster shot.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1432782488825470980

 

[BryanPaul]

What they do 2 us?

I don't know if you were talking to me but if you were then the "they" i was obviously referring to in the context of my message was The NHS (national health service) and what they do to us is try to keep us alive and well

 

[DeanM]

The irony of your "source"... welovetrump.com... yet are essentially blaming Trump for killing 35 million people worldwide from the vaccines he pushed (operation warp speed). My goodness though, the vaccines have 35 million people... that's 3x the number of deaths from the Holocaust!

So far your sources have been "Markofthebeast" and "welovetrump" . They sound reputable.

Question. How much juice will you allow put into your body? You will need at least one booster if not an entire new version soon. Then of course you will still need masking and social distancing until the inevitable next mutation/variant. So again how many ineffective shots are you willing to subject yourself to?

 

[Smoke]

Question. How much juice will you allow put into your body? You will need at least one booster if not an entire new version soon. Then of course you will still need masking and social distancing until the inevitable next mutation/variant. So again how many ineffective shots are you willing to subject yourself to?

I follow the advice from my doctor. Unless and until he tells me something way off from something I have done my due diligence in researching, I will continue to follow his medical recommendations.

 

[PennEd]

Harvard Epidemiologist Says the Case for COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished
New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.
Monday, August 30, 2021

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1430660291579105284

 

[SophieT]

I apologize if I wasn't clear. I'll do my best to be as succinct as possible.

I do not believe the "report" from your "source". I never said I support or reject the FDA. I only criticized your "sources" because they are outrageously biased and do not backup their equally outrageous claims.

Gun to my head, the FDA has slightly more credibility than "MarkoftheBeast" and "WeLoveTrump".

well this might be a little long to read and you may have missed it the first time I posted it, but the FDA has no credibility whatsoever for rushing their so called approval. so read it or not, but you can't say no one told you

FDA ‘Tricking Us Into Giving Up Our Right to Refuse’
Now, while the two products are not necessarily identical, the FDA in its infinite wisdom has decreed that the two can be used interchangeably, but their legal statuses, however, are not interchangeable. As explained by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Meryl Nass in a recent article:11

“There is a huge real-world difference between products approved under EUA compared with those the FDA has fully licensed. EUA products are experimental under U.S. law. Both the Nuremberg Code and federal regulations provide that no one can force a human being to participate in this experiment.
Under 21 U.S. Code Sec.360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III), ‘authorization for medical products for use in emergencies,’ it is unlawful to deny someone a job or an education because they refuse to be an experimental subject. Instead, potential recipients have an absolute right to refuse EUA vaccines. U.S. laws, however, permit employers and schools to require students and workers to take licensed vaccines.
EUA-approved COVID vaccines have an extraordinary liability shield under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. Vaccine manufacturers, distributors, providers and government planners are immune from liability.
The only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct. No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.
The government has created an extremely stingy compensation program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, to redress injuries from all EUA products …
At least for the moment, the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine has no liability shield. Vials of the branded product, which say “Comirnaty” on the label, are subject to the same product liability laws as other U.S. products …
Just as with Ford’s exploding Pinto, or Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup, people injured by the Comirnaty vaccine could potentially sue for damages. And because adults injured by the vaccine will be able to show that the manufacturer knew of the problems with the product, jury awards could be astronomical.
Pfizer is therefore unlikely to allow any American to take a Comirnaty vaccine until it can somehow arrange immunity for this product.
Given this background, the FDA’s acknowledgement in its approval letter that there are insufficient stocks of the licensed Comirnaty, but an abundant supply of the EUA Pfizer BioNTech jab, exposes the “approval” as a cynical scheme to encourage businesses and schools to impose illegal jab mandates.
The FDA’s clear motivation is to enable Pfizer to quickly unload inventories of a vaccine that science and the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System have exposed as unreasonably dangerous, and that the Delta variant has rendered obsolete.
Americans, told that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is now licensed, will understandably assume COVID vaccine mandates are lawful. But only EUA-authorized vaccines, for which no one has any real liability, will be available during the next few weeks when many school mandate deadlines occur.
The FDA appears to be purposefully tricking American citizens into giving up their right to refuse an experimental product … Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says ‘Comirnaty,’ it’s a licensed product.
If it says ‘Pfizer-BioNTech,’ it’s an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse. If it comes from Moderna or Johnson & Johnson (marketed as Janssen), you have the right to refuse.
The FDA is playing bait and switch with the American public — but we don’t have to play along. If it doesn’t say Comirnaty, you have not been offered an approved vaccine.”

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[SophieT]

Approval by Captured Agency Hardly Affirms Safety
While the notion of full approval might sway some fence-sitters, especially if they don’t understand that the licensed product is not what you get if you get a Pfizer shot right now, it’s unlikely to influence those who have kept an eye on the skyrocketing number of adverse event reports logged into the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).

As of August 13, 2021, VAERS had logged 595,620 adverse events following COVID injection, including 54,142 hospitalizations and 13,608 deaths.12 While these numbers are completely unheard of — with reported deaths from COVID-19 shots exceeding the reported death rate of more than 70 vaccines combined over the past 30 years — they may still be just the tip of the iceberg.

Previous investigations have shown VAERS reports account for a mere 1%13,14 to 10%15 of all vaccine-related injuries, which means the death toll from these jabs may be in the six-digits already.

The notion that a “vaccine” that has killed more people in nine months than all other vaccines combined in three decades is considered safe really stretches the bounds of credulity. It’s simply not believable, and to many simply reaffirms the suspicion that the FDA is a captured agency working for the benefit of Big Pharma rather than safeguarding the public from dangerous drugs.

As noted by a commenter on BMJ associate editor Peter Doshi’s article “Does the FDA Think These Data Justify the First Full Approval of a COVID-19 Vaccine?” republished by The Defender:16

“The Fraud and Death Administration has really outdone itself this time. Owned by pharma, serving pharma, to the extreme detriment to humanity. They deserve to be shuttered permanently, they are an organization of criminals.”

 

[Smoke]

well this might be a little long to read and you may have missed it the first time I posted it, but the FDA has no credibility whatsoever for rushing their so called approval. so read it or not, but you can't say no one told you

FDA ‘Tricking Us Into Giving Up Our Right to Refuse’
Now, while the two products are not necessarily identical, the FDA in its infinite wisdom has decreed that the two can be used interchangeably, but their legal statuses, however, are not interchangeable. As explained by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Meryl Nass in a recent article:11

“There is a huge real-world difference between products approved under EUA compared with those the FDA has fully licensed. EUA products are experimental under U.S. law. Both the Nuremberg Code and federal regulations provide that no one can force a human being to participate in this experiment.
Under 21 U.S. Code Sec.360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III), ‘authorization for medical products for use in emergencies,’ it is unlawful to deny someone a job or an education because they refuse to be an experimental subject. Instead, potential recipients have an absolute right to refuse EUA vaccines. U.S. laws, however, permit employers and schools to require students and workers to take licensed vaccines.
EUA-approved COVID vaccines have an extraordinary liability shield under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. Vaccine manufacturers, distributors, providers and government planners are immune from liability.
The only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct. No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.
The government has created an extremely stingy compensation program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, to redress injuries from all EUA products …
At least for the moment, the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine has no liability shield. Vials of the branded product, which say “Comirnaty” on the label, are subject to the same product liability laws as other U.S. products …
Just as with Ford’s exploding Pinto, or Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup, people injured by the Comirnaty vaccine could potentially sue for damages. And because adults injured by the vaccine will be able to show that the manufacturer knew of the problems with the product, jury awards could be astronomical.
Pfizer is therefore unlikely to allow any American to take a Comirnaty vaccine until it can somehow arrange immunity for this product.
Given this background, the FDA’s acknowledgement in its approval letter that there are insufficient stocks of the licensed Comirnaty, but an abundant supply of the EUA Pfizer BioNTech jab, exposes the “approval” as a cynical scheme to encourage businesses and schools to impose illegal jab mandates.
The FDA’s clear motivation is to enable Pfizer to quickly unload inventories of a vaccine that science and the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System have exposed as unreasonably dangerous, and that the Delta variant has rendered obsolete.
Americans, told that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is now licensed, will understandably assume COVID vaccine mandates are lawful. But only EUA-authorized vaccines, for which no one has any real liability, will be available during the next few weeks when many school mandate deadlines occur.
The FDA appears to be purposefully tricking American citizens into giving up their right to refuse an experimental product … Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says ‘Comirnaty,’ it’s a licensed product.
If it says ‘Pfizer-BioNTech,’ it’s an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse. If it comes from Moderna or Johnson & Johnson (marketed as Janssen), you have the right to refuse.
The FDA is playing bait and switch with the American public — but we don’t have to play along. If it doesn’t say Comirnaty, you have not been offered an approved vaccine.”

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I don't trust the FDA either. I'm not sure why he even brought up the FDA when I was speaking specifically about his "sources".

 

[DeanM]

I don't trust the FDA either. I'm not sure why he even brought up the FDA when I was speaking specifically about his "sources".

You dont trust the FDA? Yet you say you trust your doctor. Where does your doctor get his info? You know if you want to get shot up with barely tested or untested drugs go for it but cheerleading for it while distrusting the very agency pushing it is questionable at best.

 

[SophieT]

I don't trust the FDA either. I'm not sure why he even brought up the FDA when I was speaking specifically about his "sources".

well ok then. a very good article though

 

[Billyd]

The events of the last three days have made me even more resolute in my support of the covid19 vaccinations. Sunday evening my wife had a fever of 104 and could barely move. We took her to the hospital ER where they ran a battery of blood, respiratory, and urinary track tests. They also ran a covid19 test. She had a massive UTI, strep, and covid19. The hospital was full, all but the trauma rooms in the ER were full, and there were people in ER passage way. She need to be hydrated and to have IV antibiotics. The ER doctor admitted her, but kept her in the ER treatment room until they could place her in a room. Our doctor arrived early Monday morning after all the test results were in. He examined her and told us that all her problems were the result of the UTI. Her lungs were clear, and she didn't have strep. She did have a positive covid19 test, but she had no covid19 symptoms. He sent her home with antibiotics and quarantine. After Friday, if she tests negative on two consecutive days, quarantine is over.

Doctor told her that, if she had not been vaccinated, she would be in the critical care unit.

He told us that over 90% of the covid19 patients in the hospital were not vaccinated, and all of the critical care patients were not vaccinated.

For you HCL advocates. My wife has been on it for at least five years.

 

[Amanuensis]

quoting a post that is on page 78 of a 185 page thread,
a post that is 7 months old....
You must have A LOT of free time to be able to find that.....
but then again, one can not help but ponder maybe you are Mr. Scribe