1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 Vs. Matthew 24:29-31
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Please bring forth the Scripture(s) - we are all waiting....
You mentioned Lot - Lot was delivered from wrath not tribulation.
Noah - delivered from wrath - not tribulation - Noah lived during the tribulation in his lifetime
The danger of believing the pre-trib lie is this = You are on the precipice of calling the Lord Jesus a liar.
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:23
I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 1:9
What makes you think you can "add to and take away " from the word of God - the Holy Scripture.
When you believe a lie you become blinded to the Truth - right in front of you.
You mentioned Lot - Lot was delivered from wrath not tribulation.
Noah - delivered from wrath - not tribulation - Noah lived during the tribulation in his lifetime
The danger of believing the pre-trib lie is this = You are on the precipice of calling the Lord Jesus a liar.
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:23
I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 1:9
What makes you think you can "add to and take away " from the word of God - the Holy Scripture.
When you believe a lie you become blinded to the Truth - right in front of you.
Easy Pie my Friend - Open your Bible and Open your Mind to what the Spirit says and not men.
100% you can earn the $1,000 when you bring forth the Scripture that says the His Church/ His Bride/ His Saints are pre-trib raptured.
Bring forth the Scripture that shows the Saints are Resurrected in the book of Revelation, BEFORE the Beast and his Mark.
Show the Scripture(s) that show His Church Resurrected in the Gospels BEFORE the Antichrist and Tribulation.
Show forth the Scripture(s) that declare His Church/His Bride/His Elect in the Letters of the Apostles.
100% you can earn the $1,000 when you bring forth the Scripture that says the His Church/ His Bride/ His Saints are pre-trib raptured.
Bring forth the Scripture that shows the Saints are Resurrected in the book of Revelation, BEFORE the Beast and his Mark.
Show the Scripture(s) that show His Church Resurrected in the Gospels BEFORE the Antichrist and Tribulation.
Show forth the Scripture(s) that declare His Church/His Bride/His Elect in the Letters of the Apostles.
If it is easy why are you unable to prove it from Sripture?
Pre-Wrath is NOT Pre-Trib
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 1:9
We are delivered from the wrath of God - not tribulation - we go through tribulation as our Lord Jesus said:
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
Open your eyes and heart to the Lord Jesus Christ so that he can deliver you from error and you will rejoice.
Pre-Trib is a idol before the Lord - rooted in religious pride.
Scripture cannot lie
Pre-Wrath is NOT Pre-Trib
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 1:9
We are delivered from the wrath of God - not tribulation - we go through tribulation as our Lord Jesus said:
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
Open your eyes and heart to the Lord Jesus Christ so that he can deliver you from error and you will rejoice.
Pre-Trib is a idol before the Lord - rooted in religious pride.
Scripture cannot lie
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Only someone struggling with concept identification and understanding builds a False Doctrine of [Leaving pre-Wrath] with a Verse that [Clarifies Twice] WE REMAIN till His Coming [Coming always = Second Coming]!
But I get it, it is OPPOSITE VERSE MEANING DAY!
To REMAIN till His Coming [Second Coming] means in opposite terms, Pre-Trib Rapture!
But I get it, it is OPPOSITE VERSE MEANING DAY!
To REMAIN till His Coming [Second Coming] means in opposite terms, Pre-Trib Rapture!
Only someone struggling with concept identification and understanding builds a False Doctrine of [Leaving pre-Wrath] with a Verse that [Clarifies Twice] WE REMAIN till His Coming [Coming always = Second Coming]!
But I get it, it is OPPOSITE VERSE MEANING DAY!
To REMAIN till His Coming [Second Coming] means in opposite terms, Pre-Trib Rapture!
But I get it, it is OPPOSITE VERSE MEANING DAY!
To REMAIN till His Coming [Second Coming] means in opposite terms, Pre-Trib Rapture!
You are saying: His Second Coming is not pre-trib - yes?
Now i am 'waiting on you' - thank you
--[...] the "24 elders" themselves saying (from their position up in Heaven, BEFORE the first Seal is opened when Jesus WILL "STAND to JUDGE")... "hast redeemed US [G2248 - hēmas] to God by thy blood out of [ek] EVERY kindred [/tribe], and tongue, and people, and nation" Rev5:9 (compare also the wording found in Rev1:5-6 re: "US");
--the fact that these are wearing "stephanous/crowns" and are sitting on "thrones" (not to mention the wording "WAS FOUND" used in 5:4) is indication that the Bema of Christ has already taken place at this point ("crowns" are awarded "IN THAT DAY," according to what Paul was given to disclose 2Tim4:8, and this does not mean at the time a believer DIES)
--what Matthew 24:4 (Mk13:5) STARTS OUT with is that which is EQUIVALENT to SEAL #1 (FOLLOWING CHRONOLOGICALLY what it is that I've put in the above two points); i.e. Matthew 24 is covering the Subject of what takes place FOLLOWING our Rapture IN THE AIR
--the fact that these are wearing "stephanous/crowns" and are sitting on "thrones" (not to mention the wording "WAS FOUND" used in 5:4) is indication that the Bema of Christ has already taken place at this point ("crowns" are awarded "IN THAT DAY," according to what Paul was given to disclose 2Tim4:8, and this does not mean at the time a believer DIES)
--what Matthew 24:4 (Mk13:5) STARTS OUT with is that which is EQUIVALENT to SEAL #1 (FOLLOWING CHRONOLOGICALLY what it is that I've put in the above two points); i.e. Matthew 24 is covering the Subject of what takes place FOLLOWING our Rapture IN THE AIR
Mr. Twister, you just will not stop - you are addicted to worshipping an idol 'adding to and taking away' from God's word.
Adding to Scripture what it does not say = "Matthew 24 is covering the Subject of what takes place FOLLOWING our Rapture IN THE AIR"
Since you reject the Word you will be Judged by your words.........
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
No pre-trib rapture in Matthew before chapter 24 or during chapter 24
Adding to Scripture what it does not say = "Matthew 24 is covering the Subject of what takes place FOLLOWING our Rapture IN THE AIR"
Since you reject the Word you will be Judged by your words.........
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30
No pre-trib rapture in Matthew before chapter 24 or during chapter 24
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.
No Rapture until the First Resurrection which will not occur until the 5th Seal is complete just as Scripture says.
The First Resurrection occurs later in Revelation and is shown in chapter 20.
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.
No Rapture until the First Resurrection which will not occur until the 5th Seal is complete just as Scripture says.
The First Resurrection occurs later in Revelation and is shown in chapter 20.
Believe the Truth and the Truth will set you free.
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.
No Rapture until the First Resurrection which will not occur until the 5th Seal is complete just as Scripture says.
The First Resurrection occurs later in Revelation and is shown in chapter 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.
No Rapture until the First Resurrection which will not occur until the 5th Seal is complete just as Scripture says.
The First Resurrection occurs later in Revelation and is shown in chapter 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The Fifth Seal martyrs are those killed in the FIRST half of the "7 years"... More saints are killed during the second half, as well
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@DavidTree , let me ask you... do you believe there will be an earthly Millennial Kingdom that takes place following Jesus' return in Rev19?
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@DavidTree , let me ask you... do you believe there will be an earthly Millennial Kingdom that takes place following Jesus' return in Rev19?
Jesus, in Matthew 24 [thru chpt 25], is not covering the Subject of our Rapture WHATSOEVER.
He is addressing the Q of His disciples in v.3 which was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (and context) which has to do with "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]" when the angels will "REAP"...
...(WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest)...
...and Matt13 does NOT cover the Subject of our Rapture (EITHER!)
This is a matter of CHRONLOGY... which you are not understanding.
But everyone can learn...
He is addressing the Q of His disciples in v.3 which was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (and context) which has to do with "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]" when the angels will "REAP"...
...(WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest)...
...and Matt13 does NOT cover the Subject of our Rapture (EITHER!)
This is a matter of CHRONLOGY... which you are not understanding.
But everyone can learn...
Jesus, in Matthew 24 [thru chpt 25], is not covering the Subject of our Rapture WHATSOEVER.
He is addressing the Q of His disciples in v.3 which was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (and context) which has to do with "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]" when the angels will "REAP"...
...(WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest)...
...and Matt13 does NOT cover the Subject of our Rapture (EITHER!)
This is a matter of CHRONLOGY... which you are not understanding.
But everyone can learn...
He is addressing the Q of His disciples in v.3 which was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (and context) which has to do with "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]" when the angels will "REAP"...
...(WE / "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are NOT the "WHEAT" harvest)...
...and Matt13 does NOT cover the Subject of our Rapture (EITHER!)
This is a matter of CHRONLOGY... which you are not understanding.
But everyone can learn...
Revelation and the Fifth Seal:
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
And they came to Life = the First Resurrection.
Revelation 20
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Repent before it's too late - by your words you will be judged
According this verse that events not start with resurrection this verse alone tell that before second cominng will be distress or great tribulation gathering the elect or rapture happen in verse 31 it is after tribulation on verse 29
Matt 24
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]
Matt 24
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]
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