Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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Yahshua

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Israel is Dead to God for nigh 2000 years.....................1948 Israel are REBORN. So, there is NO GAP, you are thinking as men think, God says Israel was ALIVE as a Nation unto Him from 597 to 70 AD and thus during this time in two different phases they had 483 years of Judgment against them, but 7 years of that judgment remains, and as soon as the Time of the Gentiles (Rapture of the Church) is fulfilled, then Israel's 70th week Judgment will begin, but until then we are in the Summer Harvest or Church Age. Israel's 70th week only starts after the Rapture. I truly do not get why people can't see God gave the Prophecy in THREE PHASES for a purpose, not ONE PHASE of 490 years.
Sir, respectfully whether one phase or three phases, there is no precedent for the Almighty stopping/pausing time. As you correctly say, He multiplies time and then adds it to the time that remains as it's counting. But when you say "there are 7 years that remain" that wait until the time of Gentiles (i.e. church age) is fulfilled, you're creating such a gap (pause; stop) to the count. Separating the 69th week from the 70th week is man thinking for God, which forces scripture to fit their eschatology, instead of the other way around.

I agree Israel is dead for approx 2000 years and that it was judged in 70AD. With those true, consider this Word of truth that the Messiah taught Peter...


Matthew 18:21-22
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


It's the same number taught to Peter; a count of 490 is given until judgment for sin is just. The Almighty doesn't change, and Messiah is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Israel received a countdown of 490 to accomplish the list of tasks given to Jerusalem and the people to end their sin and bring in everlasting righteousness (Daniel 9). But they killed "the Bringer of everlasting righteousness", and we both acknowledge and agree Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. With the death of Stephen in 34 AD, their countdown came to an end, it wasn't paused but completed. Judgment was just.

As per the Fourth Beast, God states very clearly that the END TIME Beast comes from the people (Romans/Europeans) who sacked Israel/Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Ok yes, agreed.

10 (DIVIDED Europe) arse from the Roman Empire as Iron and Clay doesn't MIX neither do these Nations for eons, they tried to reunite with Charlemeign with Napolean and via Hitler but to n avail, in Dan. 2:43 where it says they tried to "Mingle themselves with the SEED of men, but they didn't Cleave to one another" that means they also tried via Royal Marriage to reunite, but again, to no avail.
Agreed.

They are 10 or the COMPLETE NUMBER of Nations at any given time (be it 5 be it 15 be it 27 or 26) so 10 is used, that is DIVIDED unit they are allowed by God to reunite in the end times.
I must disagree with the portion in red. If the prophecy clearly says the final kingdom (before being smashed into bits) will be mixed but not cleave to one another, they never reunite. Never. They can keep trying but something will always happen to pull them apart. This is what I meant when I said the final mixed kingdom is already present. There is no scripture that says the iron/clay mixture finally works out to form a reborn Roman Empire or that an antichrist unites them. They mingle but never cleave to one another. They can form agreements all they want but scripture says they will never be one people ever again. Unless you can produce a passage?

The fact that you state we are ALREADY living in the Iron and Clay and have been (I know where this goes, so even though the E.U. is that Kingdom, it's not "THAT KINGDOM", until the Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region) lets me know you are one of those "The RCC and Pope are the Fourth Beast guys" sorry, that sir is laughable. I could use much stronger terms, but it's just not biblical, you have been seduced with one of TWO LIES going around which comes from Satan himself, the RCC/Pope lie (he may or may not be evil, but the RCC is not the Fourth Beast, that's asinine and unscriptural to boot) and the whole Joel Richardson untruth about the Anti-Christ being a Muslim man who arises out of a Muslim nation is also a Satanic head-fake.
"It's a lie from satan himself"? To what end? what does it accomplish for satan to target the Papacy? What, to get our eyes off of a man that comes in the future...always in the future...who becomes president of the European Union and then takes over that united body and rules as a dictator?

^Is any of that scriptural?? Or did it comes from a movie plot or a series of books?

This is why the pause between the 69th & 70th weeks is so critical to dispel because it creates a mental block that completely overlooks 2000 years of satan building his kingdom. Recall that he had already fallen like lightning during the Messiah's ministry (as testified by Him). Does it make any sense that satan would be piddling around for 2000 years when we know Revelation said he has little time left after falling?
 

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Sir, respectfully whether one phase or three phases, there is no precedent for the Almighty stopping/pausing time.
God didn't pause time, there was NO ISRAEL, God said so, they were DEAD, can't you understand that brother? Stop looking at things from your perspective, God is not interested in our perspective, he tells us Israel was DEAD to Him from 70 AD until 1948 when he Breathed life back into them. You can't repent as a Nation when you are not a nation. Thus they were blinded IN PART because God blinded them as a Nation and stopped recognizing them as a Nation after Jesus' death, but not as individuals. You don't seem to understand the Prophecy, you are seeing with human eyes, not spiritual eyes. You want God to see as you see it seems, it doesn't work that way brother.

As you correctly say, He multiplies time and then adds it to the time that remains as it's counting. But when you say "there are 7 years that remain" that wait until the time of Gentiles (i.e. church age) is fulfilled, you're creating such a gap (pause; stop) to the count. Separating the 69th week from the 70th week is man thinking for God, which forces scripture to fit their eschatology, instead of the other way around.

I agree Israel is dead for approx 2000 years and that it was judged in 70AD. With those true, consider this Word of truth that the Messiah taught Peter...

Matthew 18:21-22
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
God gave us THREE PROPHESIES not ONE That's why it's 7 x 7, 62 x 7, and 1 x 7. There is no gap, Israel had not been alive for 2000 years per se until 1948, it's just you imagining a gap. Besides, the Prophesy is like I stated, 3 Prophesies not one. Are there only 490 years from 597 to 33 AD? No !! That is over 600 years right there !! If Jesus died with 7 Years or ONE WEEK left, then 70 AD would have been a Gap also by your way of thinking, but not by God's thinking because it's not ONE PROPHESY, there can't be a "Gap" because it's not a 490-year Prophesy, its a 49 Year Prophesy FULFILLED via the Walls Construction, a 434-year Prophesy FULFILLED by Jesus death and a ONE WEEK Prophecy that will be FULFILLED when the Anti-Christ comes to power, makes an Agreement with the MANY and Israel is a part of that MANY, and then the A.C./Beast conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Coastline Region. Your whole concept on this is erroneous my brother.

If your way of thinking was true, (it's not) then the fall of Jerusalem had to have happened by 40 AD (within 7 years of Jesus death), so therein lies your biggest problem, you are not even thinking it through or consistent via your own understandings tbh. You allow a 35-40 year gap (so to speak) but not a 2000-year gap (so to speak), but the truth is it's not a gap it's THREE PROPHESIES !! Not a 490 year prophesy. You just can't seem to grasp that. You have the same fallacy position I see a lot of people having, Jesus fulfilled the Covenant, that is so off base ts not even funny, the Prophecy is NOT about Jesus it's about Israel, Jesus is ONE MARKER out of Three Markers, the other two are THE WALL, and the Agreement (Covenant) with MANY. (European Neighborhood Policy/soon-to-be the Anti-Christ's Agreements framework of his coming agreements with MANY plus Israel).

Matt. 18:21-22 has nothing to do with the 70 weeks prophecy. 10 means COMPLETION, as does 7, but when either is multiplied by the other number it's just SUPER EMPHASISING Completion. In the 70-week prophecy it means the COMPLETION of Judgment, Israel's judgment has not been completed yet, they are yet to Repent as a Nation. This is why God hates false teachers, when they teach such stuff, it's hard to ever get peope to see His real truths. Someone long ago led you down this path I know because I hard this stuff over 30 years ago brother, which is why I can spot it without you telling me your ultimate understandings, LOL. Catch my point? Some MAN told you this stuff !!

Israel was not judged in 70 AD, she was JUDGED via Babylon's Conquering her and when the 70 x 7 Judgment was added she was then set free from captivity. She will be Judged during the 70th week, the 1/3 who will indeed Repent (3-5 million Jews who are ALL 12 Tribes) and the 2/3 who refuse to repent will thus be CUT OFF and die.

It's the same number taught to Peter; a count of 490 is given until judgment for sin is just.
Israel has NEVER repented. I have a blog that covers all 6 points I wrote over 5 years ago that is comprehensive.

I must disagree with the portion in red. If the prophecy clearly says the final kingdom (before being smashed into bits) will be mixed but not cleave to one another, they never reunite.
Wrong bother, the 10 ARISE out of the Fourth Beast as Feet and Toes united but BROKEN, meaning exactly what we see now, not a TRUE Nation, but a bunch of Nations CONJOINED TOGETHER as one. Do you really see France, Germany, and Spain as ONE NATION or many Nations conjoined to form a power that gives their total support to this Beast/Man of Sin? It's different from Rome or Greece in that ONE MAN is given the authority by a collective bunch of divided Nations, thus the Iron & Clay reference. The whole will not Cleave to one another means they remain to be seen as Nations in their own right, unlike all of the other Beasts, but collectively give their power unto this Beast or Little Horn as he is also known.

They can keep trying but something will always happen to pull them apart. This is what I meant when I said the final mixed kingdom is already present. There is no scripture that says the iron/clay mixture finally works out to form a reborn Roman Empire or that an antichrist unites them. They mingle but never cleave to one another. They can form agreements all they want but scripture says they will never be one people ever again. Unless you can produce a passage?
The 10 Horns are on the 7th Head of the Kingdom via the Anti-Christ/Beast himself. The MORTAL WOUND was Rome, the Church overcame the Beast giving the figurative 7 Headed Beast a Mortal Wound, that Wound is Healed when the coming Anti-Christ and Europe Conquer Israel and THE MANY. (Mediterranean Sea Region)

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"It's a lie from satan himself"? To what end? what does it accomplish for satan to target the Papacy? What, to get our eyes off of a man that comes in the future...always in the future...who becomes president of the European Union and then takes over that united body and rules as a dictator?
It DECEIVES the masses and misdirects them of course. Whereas I can show them the 7-year Agreement right now, RIGHT HERE.................... SEE BELOW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ...y underpinned,Brussels and the target country.

You guys are leading people down a cul-de-sac. Joel Richardson is doing the same thing, meanwhile, Satan is laughing as he has his AGREEMENT out in the open, and no one sees it, I see it because I research things, I discovered a man named Jason by researching every Geek King that came to power in Daniel 11 via an Exegesis, thus I understood Antiochus was not only a TYPE Anti-Christ but he had a TYPE False Prophet in Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest of Israel having his Pious High Priest Brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, he then tried to Hellenize the Jews leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. Thus I understood "BOTH TYPES" lived at the same time (I thought to myself, DUH why hadn't I realized that before? LOL) but NOW I knew the end-time False Prophet was going to be a Jewish high priest who betrays his Jewish/Israelite brothers just like Jason did by throwing in with the Anti-Christ. HARD WORK and Prayer lead us to answers from God.

Satan wants you and all others DECEIVED, it's his game, he uses Joel Richardson in like manner on the other end of the spectrum. Meanwhile, he can hide his man from the light by pumping out deception. Of course, it's the same reason England and the USA faked blow-up tanks in the Southeast portion of Britain before D-Day, to deceive the opponent. The same reason they planted lies (False paperwork) on a dead man in the ocean that the Nazis found.

^Is any of that scriptural?? Or did it comes from a movie plot or a series of books?
It's 100 percent Scriptural, and I can lay it out line by line, I was called to end-time Prophecy over 35 years ago. Daniel 8:9 shows 100 PERCENT that the Anti-Christ HAS TO BE BORN in Greece, go see if you can figure it out brother, now THINK, and then THINK of the Four-Way Directional box God gives us in that verse, then THINK which direction this man ATTACKS FROM, and you will have your answer. It can only be ONE ANSWER. Then you have to add in the two other Prophesies besides where he is born. Where he must arise to POWER and what his Bloodline is. ALL THREE must come together to point to ONE MAN, in one place at one time !!

He has to be an Assyrian (Bloodline Isaiah 10) who is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) who arises to power in Europe/Fourth Beast (Dan. chapter 7:7-9)

This is why the pause between the 69th & 70th weeks is so critical to dispel because it creates a mental block that completely overlooks 2000 years of satan building his kingdom. Recall that he had already fallen like lightning during the Messiah's ministry (as testified by Him). Does it make any sense that satan would be piddling around for 2000 years when we know Revelation said he has little time left after falling?
Again there is NO PAUSE, there are Three Prophesies, you just can't quite grasp that brother. No one in the whole world has anything on me on End-Time Prophecy because God chose me to do this and He also chose to reveal these things to me, if you think that's a burden, literally NO ONE understands the 1260, 1290, and 1335. I can't brag, it's not me, I am just a poor pitiful human being, God chooses whom He will reveal His secrets unto, I just feel blessed and I obey. When I was 25, whilst others were partying, I was praying all-nighters in my room alone. If we thirst for truth, God will give it to those who are poor in spirit (can't get enough). Amen.

That's not what Revelation says, but I can explain it later, this is getting wat too long.

God Bless.
 
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It DECEIVES the masses and misdirects them of course. Whereas I can show them the 7-year Agreement right now, RIGHT HERE.................... SEE BELOW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Neighbourhood_Policy#:~:text=The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP,the EU to the Union.&text=This process is normally underpinned,Brussels and the target country.

You guys are leading people down a cul-de-sac. Joel Richardson is doing the same thing, meanwhile, Satan is laughing as he has his AGREEMENT out in the open, and no one sees it, I see it because I research things, I discovered a man named Jason by researching every Geek King that came to power in Daniel 11 via an Exegesis, thus I understood Antiochus was not only a TYPE Anti-Christ but he had a TYPE False Prophet in Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest of Israel having his Pious High Priest Brother Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, he then tried to Hellenize the Jews leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. Thus I understood "BOTH TYPES" lived at the same time (I thought to myself, DUH why hadn't I realized that before? LOL) but NOW I knew the end-time False Prophet was going to be a Jewish high priest who betrays his Jewish/Israelite brothers just like Jason did by throwing in with the Anti-Christ. HARD WORK and Prayer lead us to answers from God.

Satan wants you and all others DECEIVED, it's his game, he uses Joel Richardson in like manner on the other end of the spectrum. Meanwhile, he can hide his man from the light by pumping out deception. Of course, it's the same reason England and the USA faked blow-up tanks in the Southeast portion of Britain before D-Day, to deceive the opponent. The same reason they planted lies (False paperwork) on a dead man in the ocean that the Nazis found.


It's 100 percent Scriptural, and I can lay it out line by line, I was called to end-time Prophecy over 35 years ago. Daniel 8:9 shows 100 PERCENT that the Anti-Christ HAS TO BE BORN in Greece, go see if you can figure it out brother, now THINK, and then THINK of the Four-Way Directional box God gives us in that verse, then THINK which direction this man ATTACKS FROM, and you will have your answer. It can only be ONE ANSWER. Then you have to add in the two other Prophesies besides where he is born. Where he must arise to POWER and what his Bloodline is. ALL THREE must come together to point to ONE MAN, in one place at one time !!

He has to be an Assyrian (Bloodline Isaiah 10) who is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) who arises to power in Europe/Fourth Beast (Dan. chapter 7:7-9)



Again there is NO PAUSE, there are Three Prophesies, you just can't quite grasp that brother. No one in the whole world has anything on me on End-Time Prophecy because God chose me to do this and He also chose to reveal these things to me, if you think that's a burden, literally NO ONE understands the 1260, 1290, and 1335. I can't brag, it's not me, I am just a poor pitiful human being, God chooses whom He will reveal His secrets unto, I just feel blessed and I obey. When I was 25, whilst others were partying, I was praying all-nighters in my room alone. If we thirst for truth, God will give it to those who are poor in spirit (can't get enough). Amen.

That's not what Revelation says, but I can explain it later, this is getting wat too long.

God Bless.
the bad guy will b with in all that defiles is.
 
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1260 days = 42 something 3 1/2 years Elisha 2 bears 42 children Nehemiah 42 360 case the numbers the generation Matthew 14 + 14+ 14 jew calendar is 360 days? maybe the dragon & the lady.and those brought 2 the wilderness same amount of time... there other things 3 1/2 Jesus taught maybe?
 

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1260 days = 42 something 3 1/2 years Elisha 2 bears 42 children Nehemiah 42 360 case the numbers the generation Matthew 14 + 14+ 14 jew calendar is 360 days? maybe the dragon & the lady.and those brought 2 the wilderness same amount of time... there other things 3 1/2 Jesus taught maybe?
To make ts simple, each number is that many days away from the Second Coming which ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS which Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45. Now all y9u have to do is add up what the Three Events Stand for.
 

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The temple could be built just before the Pre-trib Rapture, but in essence, I agree. We already see the AGREEMENT in place, its the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) between the E.U. and THE MANY (which includes Israel) as Dan. 8:25 states he will DESTROY MANT by peace, as Dan. 9:27 shows he makes an AGREEMENT (Covenant)n with MANY and as Dan 11:40-43 shows he Cnqurs MANY COUNTRIES. Thus, when we look at that EPN on Wikipedia, we see the E..U. currently has AGREEMENTS with Israel, Egypt, Joran, Lebanon, Syria, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, and the "AGREEMENTS" ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020, thus they are 7-year deals. When the Rapture happens, this Ati-Chrost figure will move in and FORCE new agreements, the E.U. gives out 15 Billion Euros, thy are getting she nations to get addicted to this "FREE MONEY" which of course has "CONDITIONS", but as per Israel who already play Soccer/Futbal in the Europa League, they so want to be accepted into the European Union that they will never see what hot them. You see, they think that that is to Europe as Hawaii or Idaho are to the United States, they think the E.U. will guarantee their protection, little do they know they are dealing with Satan's chosen Beast.

God Bless.
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Antichrist will not reveal himself until the temple hoves into prospect, he knows that is where he will sit. He will make war on all religion, for he believes he is himself God. But he will have a pact with Israel [soon, incredibly to become a superstate] while they are building that temple which he will break. This is the tribulation period.
 

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Antichrist will not reveal himself until the temple hoves into prospect, he knows that is where he will sit. He will make war on all religion, for he believes he is himself God. But he will have a pact with Israel [soon, incredibly to become a superstate] while they are building that temple which he will break. This is the tribulation period.
A lot of that comes from "Legend passed down by men" (not all of course) instead of the bible because men don't understand the timing of these end-time events, and get thrown off by misunderstandings. Jesus is speaking of an IMAGE in Matt. 24:15-17, not the Anti-Christ per se standing in the temple, John was shown this after Paul died in the book of Revelation, he was shown the False Prophet will place an IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple in Rev. 13. Now, I do think he seemingly builds a Palace somewhere in Jerusalem OR Dan. 11:36-45 was just using prose to show he rules over Isreal at that time, God sometimes speaks in this style.

The Anti-Christ and THE BEAST are the same person indeed, but two different titles so to speak. Hes the Anti-Christ when he's born, but he only becomes THE BEAST (Hes REVEALED for who he is) when he conquers Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. So, he can be the President of the E.U. and not be "REVEALED" as The Beast, the Revealing is his destiny, not the man himself, no one will just come on to the scene at the midway point of the 70th week and be revealed as a conqueror, it doesn't work like that, this man is already into politics, the REVEALING is his nature as the Politician who rules Europe who WILL do Satan's bidding in the End Times. Satan wanted that man to be Hiter, but of course, he was never revealed as The Beast because he was not the Anti-Christ, because Satan was in error about the TIMING !!

He does indeed make war on all religions, he will wipe out Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism, along with all other religions save for Beast Worship. The E.U. as a pact with the whole Mediterranea Sea Region, that pact can be seen on this Wikipedia page, European Neighborhood Policy as we speak here, again, no person just moves in and makes a DEAL that takes years of prepping, the USA and China trade deal took 3 years, Satan has this FRAMEWORK already in place when this man moves in, thus the relationships are already in place, the agreements have been around over 20 years, the Anti-Christ will get elected, move in and place his own "TWIST on these Agreements" and madate that these nations adhere to his deals or he will 1.) Threaten to cut off the financial aid to them 2.) As per Israel, the aid threat will not work, he will threaten to quit trading with them, buying their products, selling products to them.

And then the A.C. will sweeten the deal by telling Israel we will be YOUR PROTECTOR, all you have to do is give up your Nukes, we will be unto you what the USA has been to Hawaii, in a roundabout way. Then he will tell them to TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT (Confirm = the Hebrew word GABAR, meaning he acts INSOLENTLY towards Israel, in other words, the Anti-Christ FORCES this deal on them with a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT type of attitude), and Israel will acquiesce and give up their Nukes, how else do people think Israel gets conquered when they have Nuclear Weapons? Thats what the "AGREEMENT" is designed to do, it's not about "Israel ACCEPTING an Anti-Christ figure", that is just bad eschatology on people who think they understand the end times but don't. John 5:43 was about the Pharisees of Jesus time and the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, they knew Rome was the Fourth Beast because they were after all learned men, thus they PUT FORTH men as the christ, which they thought was a political savior but of course to no avail. Thus John 5:43 is not about End Times Events, it was fulfilled in 67ish to 70 AD.
 

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The first question we must ask is this: "Has everlasting righteousness been established in (a) Jerusalem, (b) Israel, and (c) the whole world?" and the resounding answer is "NO!" That should settle the matter right there.
When Jesus came and died is when everlasting righteousness was established.
 

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God didn't pause time, there was NO ISRAEL, God said so, they were DEAD, can't you understand that brother? Stop looking at things from your perspective, God is not interested in our perspective, he tells us Israel was DEAD to Him from 70 AD until 1948 when he Breathed life back into them. You can't repent as a Nation when you are not a nation. Thus they were blinded IN PART because God blinded them as a Nation and stopped recognizing them as a Nation after Jesus' death, but not as individuals. You don't seem to understand the Prophecy, you are seeing with human eyes, not spiritual eyes. You want God to see as you see it seems, it doesn't work that way brother.



God gave us THREE PROPHESIES not ONE That's why it's 7 x 7, 62 x 7, and 1 x 7. There is no gap, Israel had not been alive for 2000 years per se until 1948, it's just you imagining a gap. Besides, the Prophesy is like I stated, 3 Prophesies not one. Are there only 490 years from 597 to 33 AD? No !! That is over 600 years right there !! If Jesus died with 7 Years or ONE WEEK left, then 70 AD would have been a Gap also by your way of thinking, but not by God's thinking because it's not ONE PROPHESY, there can't be a "Gap" because it's not a 490-year Prophesy, its a 49 Year Prophesy FULFILLED via the Walls Construction, a 434-year Prophesy FULFILLED by Jesus death and a ONE WEEK Prophecy that will be FULFILLED when the Anti-Christ comes to power, makes an Agreement with the MANY and Israel is a part of that MANY, and then the A.C./Beast conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Coastline Region. Your whole concept on this is erroneous my brother.

If your way of thinking was true, (it's not) then the fall of Jerusalem had to have happened by 40 AD (within 7 years of Jesus death), so therein lies your biggest problem, you are not even thinking it through or consistent via your own understandings tbh. You allow a 35-40 year gap (so to speak) but not a 2000-year gap (so to speak), but the truth is it's not a gap it's THREE PROPHESIES !! Not a 490 year prophesy. You just can't seem to grasp that. You have the same fallacy position I see a lot of people having, Jesus fulfilled the Covenant, that is so off base ts not even funny, the Prophecy is NOT about Jesus it's about Israel, Jesus is ONE MARKER out of Three Markers, the other two are THE WALL, and the Agreement (Covenant) with MANY. (European Neighborhood Policy/soon-to-be the Anti-Christ's Agreements framework of his coming agreements with MANY plus Israel).

Matt. 18:21-22 has nothing to do with the 70 weeks prophecy. 10 means COMPLETION, as does 7, but when either is multiplied by the other number it's just SUPER EMPHASISING Completion. In the 70-week prophecy it means the COMPLETION of Judgment, Israel's judgment has not been completed yet, they are yet to Repent as a Nation. This is why God hates false teachers, when they teach such stuff, it's hard to ever get peope to see His real truths. Someone long ago led you down this path I know because I hard this stuff over 30 years ago brother, which is why I can spot it without you telling me your ultimate understandings, LOL. Catch my point? Some MAN told you this stuff !!

Israel was not judged in 70 AD, she was JUDGED via Babylon's Conquering her and when the 70 x 7 Judgment was added she was then set free from captivity. She will be Judged during the 70th week, the 1/3 who will indeed Repent (3-5 million Jews who are ALL 12 Tribes) and the 2/3 who refuse to repent will thus be CUT OFF and die.



Israel has NEVER repented. I have a blog that covers all 6 points I wrote over 5 years ago that is comprehensive.



Wrong bother, the 10 ARISE out of the Fourth Beast as Feet and Toes united but BROKEN, meaning exactly what we see now, not a TRUE Nation, but a bunch of Nations CONJOINED TOGETHER as one. Do you really see France, Germany, and Spain as ONE NATION or many Nations conjoined to form a power that gives their total support to this Beast/Man of Sin? It's different from Rome or Greece in that ONE MAN is given the authority by a collective bunch of divided Nations, thus the Iron & Clay reference. The whole will not Cleave to one another means they remain to be seen as Nations in their own right, unlike all of the other Beasts, but collectively give their power unto this Beast or Little Horn as he is also known.



The 10 Horns are on the 7th Head of the Kingdom via the Anti-Christ/Beast himself. The MORTAL WOUND was Rome, the Church overcame the Beast giving the figurative 7 Headed Beast a Mortal Wound, that Wound is Healed when the coming Anti-Christ and Europe Conquer Israel and THE MANY. (Mediterranean Sea Region)

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man is perfect in his imperfection god does not make design mistakes.
 

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When Jesus came and died is when everlasting righteousness was established.
Really? Then this world should be totally free from sin and evil. Since the exact opposite is the case, you need to properly understand what "everlasting righteousness" really means.
 

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pride vs love..that's the war within
Heb 9:12 He went once for all into the [Holy of] Holies [of heaven], not by virtue of the blood of goats and calves [by which to make reconciliation between God and man], but His own blood, having found and secured a complete redemption (an everlasting release for us).
 
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Heb 9:12 He went once for all into the [Holy of] Holies [of heaven], not by virtue of the blood of goats and calves [by which to make reconciliation between God and man], but His own blood, having found and secured a complete redemption (an everlasting release for us).
I think Jesus said we have to bear r own cross?...

In Luke 9:23, Jesus looks at his disciples and tells them, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it
 

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I think Jesus said we have to bear r own cross?...

In Luke 9:23, Jesus looks at his disciples and tells them, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it
true with what does that have to do with the subject of everlasting righteousness. Jesus is our righteousness for we are only righteous because of him and only because of him. Our righteousness is as rags.
 

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If God is not interested in our perspective, then why are you giving yours? We are all human and prone to mistakes.
Because unlike others not called to Prophecy, I don't GUESS and give MY OPINION, I give the Holy Spirits understanding via seeking his face, the same reason the Pharisees had no clue what Jesus and John the Baptist was speaking about, they were not listening unto the Holy Spirit, they were hearing their TRADITIONS, which is what Jesus told them they were doing.

I understand what is going on via seeking God and enquiring about His TRUTHS, not trying to push MY OWN UNDERSTANDINGS as truth, I learned that never worked after 30 plus years when in prayer one night I asked God why we in these END TIMES (when things are supposed to be revealed), the church on earth still have so many interpretations of what Babylon is, what the 144,000 is, what the Harlot is, etc., etc. and I got this, "Ron, you guys already know ot all" Thus I understood, (about 5 years ago) and since that time I have learned to NEVER RELY on old understandings, but to simply ASK God what any and everything means when it's vague or when there is a "SEEMING CONTRADICTION" and thus God 100 percent of the time reveals these answers unto me now.

For instance, it always bothered me that those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 came out of the Great Tribulation because I knew they were Raptured Pre Trib in reality, but there it was in writing, they came out of the Great Tribulation, so I asked God to show me His understanding/truth, and as I waited on the Lord I suddenly saw it, the 5th Seal says those under the altar MUST WAIT for their brothers to die in like manner as they had, so they are raptured nowhere during the 70th week. AND then in Rev; 20:4 they are shown to NOT BE JUDGED until after Jesus' return, thus I knew 100 percent that those killed during the 70th week can not be seen in Heaven because they LIVE and REIGN on earth with Jesus for 1000 years, after getting Judged in Rev. 20:4, thus those seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 were indeed the Raptured Pre Trib Saints. BUT STILL, why did John describe them as coming out of the Great Tribulation, what gives, I thought to myself. I asked God, I accepted nothing. We must wrestle for these answers.

Then the Holy Spirit was like, why are you guys boxing my language in? There can be more than ONE DESCRIPTION of GREAT TRIBULATION on this earth can't there? Then I understood, in the Gospel of John Jesus said that we would have continual tribulation on this earth. The Church of Smyrna was told they would have tribulation 10 days (which means for the COMPLETE Church Age Period as 10 stands for completeness). So, isn't 2000 years GREATER than 7 years? As in 2000>7, thus God can describe more than one thing as GREAT. The Church Age Tribulation period is VASTLY greater in length than the 70th week period, and the End Times 3.5 year period is the Greatest Ever Troubles man will have ever seen on this earth, no doubt, but God can use GREAT as a Descriptor in both ways, it's us who fail to put 2 + 2 together here. Its quite evident that it can't be anyone from the 70th week we are seeing in Rev. 7:9-17, Jesus says very clearly, THEY MUWST WAIT, until all of their brothers have been killed in like manner as they have, AND we see the 70th-week Martyrs are not Judeged until Rev. 20:4 which is AFTER the Second Coming !! So, those are the Pre-Trib Raptured Church, also seen in Rev. 4:4 and in Rev. 5:9-10, just before we see them in Rev. 7:9-17.

So, by refusing to accept contradictions, and seeking God's answers, I get those answers. God says he will reveal unto those who seek His face, yet we all too often seek other men's understandings as the Pharisees did. Y0ur MISTAKE is in not understanding the difference between a man's perspective, and a revealed perspective unto a man by the Holy Spirt, those are vastly different things.