Vaccination?

[JohnDB]

whats amazing is that for every scientist that says one thing, there is another highly reputable scientist that says the opposite.

What you are witnessing I believe is part of the division which is tearing the united states apart now. Twp sides who will attach anything the other side says.

They do not want to come together and find real solution.

This virus is man made. there is PROOF of this

Any country who does not try to fight this and protect their people should be ashamed. Trump is the one who pushed and started this vaccine stuff. Amazing how once Biden stole the election his supporters are all of a sudden against it.

Epidemiology and immunology are fields requiring a PHD team of scientists to pull off a real study. Tens of thousands of patients for the first one and then a second team with again tens of thousands of patients to pull off the same study and have the same results before being accepted. It's not a quick process nor an inexpensive one either. Where a lot of money and people are working on Covid...the junk science is everywhere.

I've seen People who claim to be experts but are nothing but general practitioner doctors in a rural town. All the while making grandiose claims.

Read the link I posted...it explains it well. These studies are mostly crap.

Dr Fauci did lie before...and everyone groaned when he did it...we knew it was a lie when he said it...so did he. We understood the reasons why but it wasn't to cause harm...he just wanted motivation for people to get vaccinated because he believed it would return the world to some form of normality. But he gave room to all the naysayers to now take potshots at the truth with crap.

CDC and WHO both have two glaring sides to them. (Thanks to politics) one side is about true science and the other is all about politics.

Look...there are new strains coming all the time...over 20,000 possible strains. Not all of them will proliferate. Not all will be stopped by the current vaccines or antibodies. These viruses are very dangerous...more than the common cold ever thought about.

Look at a source...look to see how long it's been around...phone numbers to hospitals should work. St Luke's hospital in Boise Idaho exists... been there myself. Vanderbilt University hospital exists...it was instrumental in isolating the Avian virus years ago....met the man who did it while I was working there as an electrician.

These are the people that we know about...look up the names on these studies and then google their names...see what comes up.

Google hospitals and magazine titles...they will tell you exactly who they are.

Unfortunately people are lying for a quick buck. They don't care about you...

Others are convinced without true discernment as to what the truth is by these charlatans...

My wife has worked in epidemiology for years before she switched to other departments...this was a huge help to me with figuring out whose lying and who actually cares about publishing the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Epidemiology and immunology are fields requiring a PHD team of scientists to pull off a real study. Tens of thousands of patients for the first one and then a second team with again tens of thousands of patients to pull off the same study and have the same results before being accepted. It's not a quick process nor an inexpensive one either. Where a lot of money and people are working on Covid...the junk science is everywhere.

I've seen People who claim to be experts but are nothing but general practitioner doctors in a rural town. All the while making grandiose claims.

Read the link I posted...it explains it well. These studies are mostly crap.

Dr Fauci did lie before...and everyone groaned when he did it...we knew it was a lie when he said it...so did he. We understood the reasons why but it wasn't to cause harm...he just wanted motivation for people to get vaccinated because he believed it would return the world to some form of normality. But he gave room to all the naysayers to now take potshots at the truth with crap.

CDC and WHO both have two glaring sides to them. (Thanks to politics) one side is about true science and the other is all about politics.

Look...there are new strains coming all the time...over 20,000 possible strains. Not all of them will proliferate. Not all will be stopped by the current vaccines or antibodies. These viruses are very dangerous...more than the common cold ever thought about.

Look at a source...look to see how long it's been around...phone numbers to hospitals should work. St Luke's hospital in Boise Idaho exists... been there myself. Vanderbilt University hospital exists...it was instrumental in isolating the Avian virus years ago....met the man who did it while I was working there as an electrician.

These are the people that we know about...look up the names on these studies and then google their names...see what comes up.

Google hospitals and magazine titles...they will tell you exactly who they are.

Unfortunately people are lying for a quick buck. They don't care about you...

Others are convinced without true discernment as to what the truth is by these charlatans...

My wife has worked in epidemiology for years before she switched to other departments...this was a huge help to me with figuring out whose lying and who actually cares about publishing the truth.

I do bit even listen to fucci. He is just a pawn

CDC is a government function. I trust them no more any anyone else they can be bought

 

[rayzor]

wait,,,were you born in 2019? How could your mother be pregnant with you and pass protection to you if Covid's only been around less than two years?

Don't b such a Nicodemus = nicoalaitans,,god can do things like that!

 

[JohnDB]

I do bit even listen to fucci. He is just a pawn

CDC is a government function. I trust them no more any anyone else they can be bought

I personally know scientists that have done work for them and eventually accepted positions with them as well as the WHO. ..

Their public speakers and leadership...ok. Political creatures. What they say in front of a microphone is politically bent...but they have publications that are correct and based solely on science.

The fast tracked vaccines are just an example of what kinds of amazing things they got going on today because of research.
The scientist these days can give you an injection in your arm and change your eye color...it's not safe yet....but they are working on it.
They have tests now that can determine if you will get colon cancer 10 years in the future...and a cure for it long before you ever get to that point.

When I was a kid lukemia was a death sentence...now they give you a prescription and send you back to work. No big deal.

Things are changing...things have improved vastly...but like the bible says "Test the Spirits"....
Meaning find out who is saying what and for what reason.

 

[iamsoandso]

Don't b such a Nicodemus = nicoalaitans,,god can do things like that!

Yes he can the human body is an remarkable creation God made...did I mention that the way God created us included that if an novel illness broke out then the children of them would have protection passed to them? You see all we need to do is look back at how Gods been dealing with things like this all along.

 

[rayzor]

Yes he can the human body is an remarkable creation God made...did I mention that the way God created us included that if an novel illness broke out then the children of them would have protection passed to them? You see all we need to do is look back at how Gods been dealing with things like this all along.

[Remember lots wife] If we r to look back make sure it's 4 the right reason.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I personally know scientists that have done work for them and eventually accepted positions with them as well as the WHO. ..

Their public speakers and leadership...ok. Political creatures. What they say in front of a microphone is politically bent...but they have publications that are correct and based solely on science.

The fast tracked vaccines are just an example of what kinds of amazing things they got going on today because of research.
The scientist these days can give you an injection in your arm and change your eye color...it's not safe yet....but they are working on it.
They have tests now that can determine if you will get colon cancer 10 years in the future...and a cure for it long before you ever get to that point.

When I was a kid lukemia was a death sentence...now they give you a prescription and send you back to work. No big deal.

Things are changing...things have improved vastly...but like the bible says "Test the Spirits"....
Meaning find out who is saying what and for what reason.

Like I said bro. Its all a political argument,

One side is against what the other side is for. So they seek things which prove them right.

The other side does the same thing. And seek for things to prove they are right.

Instead of trying to help people. They just want to cause division.

At started with trump vs Hillary, continued with trump vs Biden. And now is has moved into the covid argument.

I personally do not trust anythign I read from either side. I believe no one can be trusted in this day and age.

Which is sad we have come this low

 

[iamsoandso]

[Remember lots wife] If we r to look back make sure it's 4 the right reason.

Exactly,,,looking back at just the common cold the Europeans in the 1600's had protection they had inherited from their parents the American Indians did not,,,,but now they do because their parents caught it in the past and passed it down to them in their genes why would C-19 be any different? The problem though still exist for us today in that we have to survive novel-coronavirus if not that family tree ends.

 

[JTB]

True Criminal Investigators have already weighed into what they believe happened. And ultimately, one of the employees of the Wuhan Lab either maliciously or accidentally unleashed this Lab Generated and Created Bio-Virus that has unveiled to all as a Bio-Weapon.

But what the Lab was actually supposed to be doing, was to take a Normal Virus, give it the ability to create into the Worst Case Version, study that plus make Vaccinations for it [ALL for the Purpose in case a Normal virus did Naturally Evolve into a Monster Version and we wanted to know what we would be facing from a World Wide View].

Yeah, we now know what these Lab Generated Viruses are capable of doing. Literally Millions of People have died from one single contact of the Covid-19.

Trouble is, too many people take the words "what they believe happened", and transmogrify that 'belief' into 'fact'

 

[JTB]

I don't feel separated from God at all. closer if anything

it's not the end and it's not all about how bad Christians are or how bad you think they are

you do seem to have a very either or type of way of looking at things and that in itself creates the idea that you are right...to your own way of thinking.

you also seem to do this in every thread you post in. unless you are a prophet, (nah) you don't have the spiritual insight to be doing that

Really, you see either/or in my words? Either/or means something like, you either cling to the left, or you cling to the right. I've very clearly several times specifically stated we must abandon BOTH. That we must find the truth in the middle. Vis-a-vis covid, I've said this is both a government conspiracy, designed to control people, AND this is nonetheless a dangerous pathogen that we need to do whatever we can to save each other from. I've said we should wear the mask, while admitting it's not a perfect solution. That even tho an untrustworthy source is telling us to do the right thing, we must still do the right thing.

If you find either/or in any of those, that's your conflation.

As for the prophet title (remembering they are not honored in their home towns), well, let's just say I've been called worse

 

[iamsoandso]

Boy I sure hope nobody ever comes up with the old death knell proof that this stuff was created in a lab and killed millions of people worldwide. If so you see and Fauci and company did this(loosed a biological weapon on the planet) then instead of endless days of debating mask and vaccines we really should have been talking about where to move or how to build a bomb shelter right? How convenient it is though for the rich politicians to say things like this when they could get on their jets and fly to Peru when we cant.

 

[JTB]

They ask why,how did the Afghanistan/Taliban do so well and recover the country so fast,,,,,Shemagh ,,,,

they wear face coverings because of their religion...

Too bad they don't work outside of surgical suites

 

[iamsoandso]

Too bad they don't work outside of surgical suites

Yep I'd hate to be a kid with C-19 and try to understand why the doctors and nurses all come in all dressed up like spacemen,,,makes you wonder what the doctors are so scared of catching right?

 

[JTB]

Yep,,the medical folks seem to be arguing back and forth a whole lot about coronavirus,,,it seems as if C-19 has them stumped,,,hmm

And non-medical people seem to want the experts to look upon something new and have all the answers, 100% without fail, right then and there.

It's gonna be 5-10 years down the road before we REALLY know what it is and how to kill it. Until then, we have to go with the information we have at hand, and accept that the information is going to change as we further study and experience it.

 

[JTB]

Yep I'd hate to be a kid with C-19 and try to understand why the doctors and nurses all come in all dressed up like spacemen,,,makes you wonder what the doctors are so scared of catching right?

That was actually a poke at CS1 if he's still lurking lol

 

[JTB]

wait,,,were you born in 2019? How could your mother be pregnant with you and pass protection to you if Covid's only been around less than two years?

He's saying Jesus should have jumped from the temple roof

 

[JohnDB]

Like I said bro. Its all a political argument,

One side is against what the other side is for. So they seek things which prove them right.

The other side does the same thing. And seek for things to prove they are right.

Instead of trying to help people. They just want to cause division.

At started with trump vs Hillary, continued with trump vs Biden. And now is has moved into the covid argument.

I personally do not trust anythign I read from either side. I believe no one can be trusted in this day and age.

Which is sad we have come this low

Well I am personally A-political...

Both sides are usually lying...

That's why I post links to the true scientists and blogs...not junk science. (Huge difference between the two)

I don't care about politics...in fact I hate politics. Politics is what killed Christ and those who engage in such things usually use slander which is a sin. So since slander is such an integral part of politics I don't participate...

Also at core of the two parties I disagree with their positions. They have this "either/or" mentality when in truth it's an "If/then" answer.

So why take part in another lie.

Like I said before..."Test the Spirits" .

Wise as serpents but gentle as doves.

 

[iamsoandso]

And non-medical people seem to want the experts to look upon something new and have all the answers, 100% without fail, right then and there.

It's gonna be 5-10 years down the road before we REALLY know what it is and how to kill it. Until then, we have to go with the information we have at hand, and accept that the information is going to change as we further study and experience it.

Yep I would think about a year or so from now when people have caught C-19,,,their antibodies dwindled,,they caught it again,it dwindled,,then they catch it a few more times and they will be talking about the damage it did each time they caught it. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 anyway mask and vaccines are the big topic today who cares about what happens if we just catch it right?(just kidding)

 

[SophieT]

Really, you see either/or in my words? Either/or means something like, you either cling to the left, or you cling to the right. I've very clearly several times specifically stated we must abandon BOTH. That we must find the truth in the middle. Vis-a-vis covid, I've said this is both a government conspiracy, designed to control people, AND this is nonetheless a dangerous pathogen that we need to do whatever we can to save each other from. I've said we should wear the mask, while admitting it's not a perfect solution. That even tho an untrustworthy source is telling us to do the right thing, we must still do the right thing.

If you find either/or in any of those, that's your conflation.

As for the prophet title (remembering they are not honored in their home towns), well, let's just say I've been called worse

I didn't call you a prophet but you can yourself whatever you wish.

you seem to think everyone should be instructed by you

alot of people join the forum and think just like that. it's a forum. not a personal pulpit

 

[JohnDB]

Boy I sure hope nobody ever comes up with the old death knell proof that this stuff was created in a lab and killed millions of people worldwide. If so you see and Fauci and company did this(loosed a biological weapon on the planet) then instead of endless days of debating mask and vaccines we really should have been talking about where to move or how to build a bomb shelter right? How convenient it is though for the rich politicians to say things like this when they could get on their jets and fly to Peru when we cant.

It wasn't created in a lab.

It was isolated in a lab. (Huge difference)

A Texas based university contracted with the lab in Wuhan because of NIH funding of research.

The Wuhan lab was the lowest bidder for the contract because of the corners that they cut. As a result of lousy housekeeping and controls (cage droppings were put in dumpster instead of incinerated) the virus escaped and multiplied.

The virus wasn't manipulated or changed....they didn't need to because there are billions of corona viruses out there to choose from.