Anti vaxxers a problem as big as COVID

[Handyman62]

The answer is blowing in the wind.

Those provaxer blowhards sure create a lot of wind. And it ain't the good kind.

 

[EnglishChick]

I'm thinking of certain things I never hear Christians talk about. What does it do to the Christian's ability to reach the world if they get offended at them for not taking a vaccine. All their potential influence....GONE. Jesus did say there are times we do things lest we offend them Matt 17:24 in other words you shouldn't really have to take a vaccine if you're talking about Constitutional rights of countries....but might the Lord be looking at something bigger and more important? Our chief job here is to increase the Kingdom of God in the hearts of men and if not taking a vaccine hinders that then what are we to think.

I know if some of you walked out where you live and shouted out you're not vaccinated.....guess what....forget about your influencing them towards God. You would have now set up a huge barrier for them to accept you. Of course one might say well Jesus ALWAYS stood for what his rights were but that's just not true when you read Matt 17:24 He did yield at least this time and for the reason not to offend so as to have maximin influence with the gospel. Maybe we need to be weighing what's more important? Constitutional rights you have or think you have in your country or maybe setting certain ones aside for the accomplishment of something greater and more important, getting people saved for the New Kingdom.

I'm not trying to encourage people to get vaccinated or not to.....but at least consider there could be another way of thinking about it.

I really think that unless you're in a job which requires whether to say you been vaxxed or not it's something personal. I don't ask people in my life if they had it or not. Not my business, as am not employing them in a healthcare role .

There is no need to tell anyone or not in most cases!

 

[EnglishChick]

I just think judging any other person in an issue of no eternal consequence is futile. I admit I used to judge anti vaxxers, now God has shown me He didn't call me to focus on this issue and judge others. The Church needs to stand together in unity not be divided. It's like arguing about eating clean meats or not , or whether to worship publicly on Saturday or sunday. Whilst we judge others who walk out their faith differently to us in matters on non essential doctrine , we are being worldy minded not heavenly minded.

And I realise, to my shame, I'm as guilty as the rest of them!

 

[ZNP]

I thought the term "Biden crime family" was just a joke but yesterday Biden said that if some Governors won't toe the line he will use his power "to get them out of the way".

 

[Rockson]

There is no need to tell anyone or not in most cases!

Haha...Yeah I agree. Thing is though when you say I don't share that they say back to you well that means you're not with a smile. If you were vaxed you would say so.

 

[EnglishChick]

Haha...Yeah I agree. Thing is though when you say I don't share that they say back to you well that means you're not with a smile. If you were vaxed you would say so.

Shrug it off. Who cares what they think? it's your body. You do you.

 

[EnglishChick]

I don't like the idea of judging anyone as a problem . I'm probably too sensitive though. I feel things v deeply and it makes me wince inside when I hear people tearing each other apart over something which is a personal health choice.

 

[gb9]

I don't like the idea of judging anyone as a problem . I'm probably too sensitive though. I feel things v deeply and it makes me wince inside when I hear people tearing each other apart over something which is a personal health choice.

the problem is - many do not want it to be a personal choice. they want it mandated.

this is what people are fighting about.

 

[Rockson]

I feel things v deeply and it makes me wince inside when I hear people tearing each other apart over something which is a personal health choice.

But they feel your personal choice is effecting their safety and well being and want government to do something about it.

That can't be said about personal choices of a lot of different things.

eg. One chooses to take chemo or not. Only effects the one choosing.

 

[Rockson]

Shrug it off. Who cares what they think? it's your body. You do you.

Sure one can shrug it off. Point is though by not telling people when they ask they do interpret that as a No you're not vaccinated.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Anti vaxxers and those griping about infringements on their freedoms should read this article. I'm no fan of the ABC (Australia's public broadcaster) but these are the stories of real people, not left wing loonies, just people who have to deal with COVID as well as the usual health problems people suffer. Australia has an excellent health system. We are blessed. If we struggle to cope, what about those countries that have poor health systems. Conspiracy theorists need to get over themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-05/australian-healthcare-workers-brace-for-more-covid/100431892

"Anti vaxxers a problem as big as COVID"

Comparing a group of human beings to a pathogen. A statement Joseph Geobbels could have been proud of.
What's the next step? Offer the loathsome "anti-vaxxers" a one-way ticket to a nice little holiday camp?

I don't belive the vaccines are the MOTB.
What we've been witnessing is an object lesson in how people can be manipulated into supporting a beast-like empire
by turning on the group/s who resist the edicts of that beast.
It's not enough that Nebuchadnezzar's statue recieves worship. All those who refuse to bow down must be criminalised.

Christians should be a problem for Satanically-inspired global government.
Practise doing it now or you may possibly regret it later.

 

[ZNP]

Anti vaxxers and those griping about infringements on their freedoms should read this article. I'm no fan of the ABC (Australia's public broadcaster) but these are the stories of real people, not left wing loonies, just people who have to deal with COVID as well as the usual health problems people suffer. Australia has an excellent health system. We are blessed. If we struggle to cope, what about those countries that have poor health systems. Conspiracy theorists need to get over themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-05/australian-healthcare-workers-brace-for-more-covid/100431892

This post has the implied idea that people who are not vaccinated are putting others at risk, particularly those who are vaccinated. There are several false assumptions here.

1. "If everyone gets vaccinated then the pandemic will be over" -- This is false. The vaccine is leaky. Even if you are vaccinated you will get Covid and when the majority of people have Covid it will favor variants for which the vaccine doesn't protect you. The truth is that if only 5% of the world were to get vaccinated the vaccine would work much better and last much longer.

2. "The vaccine will strengthen your immune response" -- Only true for the briefest of time. Initially, when the vaccine was given it did strengthen the immune response to the existing strains. However, it also created an environment that favored strains that it did not protect against. Today those strains are everywhere and they are not because of the unvaccinated, they are here because of the vaccinated. The vaccine doesn't protect you at all from those and if anything weakens your immune response to these new variants.

3. "Immunity from the vaccine is better than immunity from recovering from Covid" -- Not true, it has been proven with peer reviewed studies that immunity for those who recovered from Covid is 20x greater than those who are vaccinated. It is true we have yet to determine how durable this is (how long it will last) but we have shown that the vaccine is not durable at all and since this is similar to SARS we know that people who recovered from SARS were showing immunity to Covid 10 years later.

None of these studies can be considered "conspiracy theorists", it is consistent with fundamental truths we have taught about viruses and vaccines for over twenty years.

 

[Gideon300]

Slow your roll. I lost a dear friend last week. He was vaccinated, as was his wife. Another friend got Covid and has gotten it again and is struggling for his life. A friend of my fathers got vaxxed, had no health issues and died the same week. Another friend from church wasn't vaxxed and just passed away. So stop slapping everyone into the same basket. It really gets on my nerves. I've had vaccines all my life, I'm not anti vax, I just don't believe this vax is effective as they say it is. And that is not a conspiracy theory. There are people out there that can't or shouldn't take the vax. Pregnant women are afraid to take it. If the blasted gov't would come out and be TRUTHFUL about the facts, people would make a quicker decision. People do have freedoms, whether you like it or you don't. There are people who don't trust the gov't and I don't blame them. But I'm sick of people painting everyone with the same brush. You don't know why some people haven't gotten vaxxed and there are a lot of different reasons why some are not yet vaxxed. Here they made it 100% a political issue. Now they want to turn around and force the vax. The same people who say " my body, my choice" and gov't shouldn't be involved in medical decisions are now turning around and forcing vaccination. You can't have it both ways.

The effectiveness of the main vaccines is publicly stated. Side effects are also stated. My concern is with the people who tell me I'm going to hell because I've had the jab, who twist statistics to "prove" that the vaccine is some kind of murderous plot to reduce the world population and other fairy tales that have zero basis in fact. I considered the vaccination issue for months. One reason is that I reacted badly to a flu shot. I may as well have had the flu. I thought if I had a similar reaction, it could kill me - I'm in the high risk age group. I prayed, looked at the information available and made a decision. The side effects were minimal, less than I expected. Some people suffer more, others have no side effects.

I'm 70. This COVID conspiracy stuff is the most ludicrous I've come across since Elvis died. That gets on my nerves.

 

[Icedaisey]

DENVER (KRDO) — New data from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment shows a small percentage of Coloradans fully vaccinated for COVID-19 continue to test positive, be hospitalized, or die from the coronavirus.
Source: May 14, 2020 Small percentage of Coloradans vaccinated for COVID-19 test positive for virus

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The effectiveness of the main vaccines is publicly stated. Side effects are also stated. My concern is with the people who tell me I'm going to hell because I've had the jab, who twist statistics to "prove" that the vaccine is some kind of murderous plot to reduce the world population and other fairy tales that have zero basis in fact. I considered the vaccination issue for months. One reason is that I reacted badly to a flu shot. I may as well have had the flu. I thought if I had a similar reaction, it could kill me - I'm in the high risk age group. I prayed, looked at the information available and made a decision. The side effects were minimal, less than I expected. Some people suffer more, others have no side effects.

I'm 70. This COVID conspiracy stuff is the most ludicrous I've come across since Elvis died. That gets on my nerves.

Got it. People against the vaccines are even worse than the pathogen you fear will kill you.
You are entitled to your fears while they are not.

 

[DeanM]

But they feel your personal choice is effecting their safety and well being and want government to do something about it.

That can't be said about personal choices of a lot of different things.

eg. One chooses to take chemo or not. Only effects the one choosing.

Thats if you believe the covid propaganda and that this untested cocktail actually helps and isnt damaging.

 

[EnglishChick]

This post has the implied idea that people who are not vaccinated are putting others at risk, particularly those who are vaccinated. There are several false assumptions here.

1. "If everyone gets vaccinated then the pandemic will be over" -- This is false. The vaccine is leaky. Even if you are vaccinated you will get Covid and when the majority of people have Covid it will favor variants for which the vaccine doesn't protect you. The truth is that if only 5% of the world were to get vaccinated the vaccine would work much better and last much longer.

2. "The vaccine will strengthen your immune response" -- Only true for the briefest of time. Initially, when the vaccine was given it did strengthen the immune response to the existing strains. However, it also created an environment that favored strains that it did not protect against. Today those strains are everywhere and they are not because of the unvaccinated, they are here because of the vaccinated. The vaccine doesn't protect you at all from those and if anything weakens your immune response to these new variants.

3. "Immunity from the vaccine is better than immunity from recovering from Covid" -- Not true, it has been proven with peer reviewed studies that immunity for those who recovered from Covid is 20x greater than those who are vaccinated. It is true we have yet to determine how durable this is (how long it will last) but we have shown that the vaccine is not durable at all and since this is similar to SARS we know that people who recovered from SARS were showing immunity to Covid 10 years later.

None of these studies can be considered "conspiracy theorists", it is consistent with fundamental truths we have taught about viruses and vaccines for over twenty years.

Covid won't disappear just because people get vaxxed, am sure. But it could allow people to return to normal life. Which is what is needed. Lockdowns lead to economic loss, mental and physical health breakdowns, increase.risk of domestic violence etc

Then there is the importance of being able to move freely in terms of ministering the gospel to or another . My missionary friends and sibling are looking forward to being able to continue the work Jesus has for them to do.


Having said that. Those who refuse a vaccine due to concerns about its safety or concerned about government trampling over their human rights or because fetal cells were used in its testing have the right to refuse it. I think it's a completely personal decision for an individual to make.

I have friends who are vaxxed, friends who are not, or who are against it for the above reasons. It doesn't stop me fellowhsipping with them. My church holds no opinion on it either way and am so thankful for that. The apostle Paul focused on preaching the crucified Christ , and his words are for us today too.

 

[EnglishChick]

Got it. People against the vaccines are even worse than the pathogen you fear will kill you.
You are entitled to your fears while they are not.

to be honest I don't believe God wants us fearing either covid or shots. Prayerfully decide whether or not to have the vaxx, sure. Fear? No. We don't fear because we are His and have been made perfect in love.

 

[Rockson]

Thats if you believe the covid propaganda and that this untested cocktail actually helps and isnt damaging.

But that's where we are right in most people's beliefs? It does explain why they want government to do something about restricting the vaccine hesitant. And I don't like where this potentially could go. It may take a culture half a century to forgive themselves for the actions they took as the years might show the actions they took were unnecessary.

 

[ZNP]

Covid won't disappear just because people get vaxxed, am sure. But it could allow people to return to normal life. Which is what is needed. Lockdowns lead to economic loss, mental and physical health breakdowns, increase.risk of domestic violence etc

Then there is the importance of being able to move freely in terms of ministering the gospel to or another . My missionary friends and sibling are looking forward to being able to continue the work Jesus has for them to do.


Having said that. Those who refuse a vaccine due to concerns about its safety or concerned about government trampling over their human rights or because fetal cells were used in its testing have the right to refuse it. I think it's a completely personal decision for an individual to make.

I have friends who are vaxxed, friends who are not, or who are against it for the above reasons. It doesn't stop me fellowhsipping with them. My church holds no opinion on it either way and am so thankful for that. The apostle Paul focused on preaching the crucified Christ , and his words are for us today too.

Social distancing works at reducing the viral load that you get infected with, that in turn reduces how many people get really sick. We can reduce it from 5% to 1% by simply using social distancing techniques. The two most effective are: don't go into public if you have a fever or if you have symptoms.

Masks are not effective and should not be mandatory.

The vaccine will be most effective if it is limited to only those who are at the greatest risk if they get covid. If we had done those two things we could have gone back to work already.

99.5% of people survive Covid, if you eliminate the 5% of the population that is at the greatest risk by giving them the vaccine the number drops to about 99.8%. We now have 3 effective treatments, and oxygen will be sufficient for 80% of those in intensive care.

However, if you give everyone the vaccine then this is not true. You will get new variants spreading rapidly because the vaccine is very specific in what it protects you against. You will need a second shot, a third shot, and so on. However, we have no idea what the long term effect is of going into your mRNA and changing it that much. It is very possible that your immune system will become significantly weaker to the Flu and other viral infections.

On the other hand everyone who had Covid and recovered is now immune. Instead of ignoring that if you counted those you would realize we are already close to 70%.