Atheism is rooted in wicked sinful people suppressing God because of their wickedness

[TDWP22]

The fool has said in their heart, there is no God. This verse was made thousands of years ago. Nothing new about atheism.

I'm just quotin the word of God dude. Nothing blind about that. Nothing blind about encouraging others to accept Jesus.

blah blah yeah whatever..keep talking and typing about a subject you hardly know...the only one who can talk about that atheism is shock of god, and thats because he used to be an atheist...you are the only one benefiting, or do you usefull by doing so?? stop bashing atheist and go show...and your dont sound encouraging, in fact its because of people like you that many lost souls dont want to come to Christ, thanks to those similar to you that i left church for three years

 

[jimmydiggs]

So it ok for you to disparage us but it is not ok for us to call you on it? Seems fair.

If you think it's fair, why are you belly-aching?

I don't understand why atheists come to a Christian website, then act all surprised when the bible get's quoted.

"ZOMG BIBLE VERSES!!! HOW COULD A CHRISTIAN DO THAT?!?!?!"

Maybe your perception of Christianity is Joel Osteen.... I could understand the surprise then..


Also, I don't exactly go to AtheistChat.com (not sure that exists) and expect to find a lot of people talking about how much they love Christ.


Now. I have one last request for you..

 

[1still_waters]

This reasoning is frightening. Let's put your exact logic into a few other perspectives, alright? These actions are all real examples.

The world : Flying airplanes into the Word Trade Center, performing suicide bombings, and beating little girls because they were caught trying to read is hateful, intolerant, mean, and violent!
Extremist Muslim : It was an action of our faith, it was the word of GOD which told us to do so. *quotes Quaran to prove what he's doing is right*

The world : Sentencing all homosexuals to death, and murdering them in mobs is bigoted, violent, hateful, and mean!
Ugandan Christian : It is what GOD has told us to do, it is not bigotry or intolerance, it IS the word of GOD! *quotes Bible to prove what he's doing is right*

The world : Bullying and hating that gay 15 year old boy so intensely that he killed himself in misery, was bigoted, intolerant, and mean!
Town of rednecks : It is the word of GOD. We only told the boy the truth about what a horrible, evil, despicable, abomination of an animal he was, repeatedly, every day. We're just preaching the word of GOD. *quotes Leviticus*

Me : How can you abandon me? I've done nothing wrong to you, when have I tried to hurt you?
My parents : You are wicked and evil, we cannot allow you in our home, we cannot trust you, for you reject god. This is not bigoted, hateful, or intolerant, this is what the word of GOD says!

See why this is scary? What god says is different for everyone, but every single person is SURE that they're right. And they're willing to do terrible things because of it.

Of course I could never feel torn apart inside because of the examples I've listed above, as the Bible says I'm too much of an evil, wicked atheist with no mercy or love. There's no way the deaths of innocents and the abuse of children could sicken me, and bring me to tears, for the Bible has decided that I have no empathy, that I care for no one, that mercy and love aren't in my vocabulary. I don't think you realize how much love most atheists have for all the women oppressed by Islam, all the gays lynched in Uganda, and driven to suicide in the US, we love them, I love them, I want so desperately for them to be free of what they're facing because people think that they are divinely justified/commanded to hurt and hate others... Yet you call us wicked, murderous, and a whole slew of nasty words based on nothing more than scripture.




I don't want to silence you, I support your freedom to express yourself, and say what you say. But I also believe it is my freedom to respond with how I honestly think and feel regarding it. I don't wish to force you or make it so you "can't" say this stuff, but I am hoping to maybe convince you that what you're doing is bigoted and hateful, or instead convince others who may be reading... Once again, I do not wish for your freedom to say these things to be taken away, not AT ALL.

Again, the word of God says what it says.

Not gonna go on the defensive for quoting the word of God.

 

[TDWP22]

btw, dont call me a dude. im not your "dude." you dont know and i dont know you

 

[jimmydiggs]

in fact its because of people like you that many lost souls dont want to come to Christ, thanks to those similar to you that i left church for three years

Ultimately, it is because they hate God.


Reminds me...

Ubergeorge, hypothetical question for you...

If it was proven to you 100% without a doubt that the bible is correct in it's reporting, would you repent? Would you love God with all your heart and mind?

Any other atheist can respond to that too.

 

[jimmydiggs]

btw, dont call me a dude. im not your "dude." you dont know and i dont know you

What about brother?

 

[TDWP22]

Ultimately, it is because they hate God.


Reminds me...

Ubergeorge, hypothetical question for you...

If it was proven to you 100% without a doubt that the bible is correct in it's reporting, would you repent? Would you love God with all your heart and mind?

Any other atheist can respond to that too.

you do know im a christian, thanks for asking...they cant hate what they never knew

 

[jimmydiggs]

you do know im a christian, thanks for asking...they cant hate what they never knew

The question was for the user UberGeorge, hence my stating "UberGeorge, gota question for ya'.."

Honestly, I don't know whether anyone is a Christian or not, that's between them and God... I can however come to an understanding based on their fruit...

Also, bible disagrees with you..


New International Version (©1984)
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Romans 2:14-15

New International Version (NIV)

14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Again, the word of God says what it says.

Not gonna go on the defensive for quoting the word of God.

Why should the Muslims who BURN OFF THE FACES OF LITTLE GIRLS WITH ACID for the crime of trying to read, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing, and just claim that they're quoting god and doing his will! They also suicide bomb entire crowds of innocent people, they stone women on the charge of adultery because the woman is half a man and cannot win in court to prove she was raped?

Why should the Christians who just RUTHLESSLY BEAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO DEATH IN A MOB for the crime of loving someone of the same gender, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing. They can quote Leviticus and say that god commands the death of these people.

You will not justify anything you say, you quote the Bible and claim you have to do nothing else. What makes you right, whereas they are wrong? And give me a better answer than "because I know what god is really saying" because that's their answer too! Everyone believes god is telling them what to do, it is not an excuse to hate others, to make baseless claims that they are wicked, murderous, evil, and have no mercy or love.

 

[TDWP22]

The question was for the user UberGeorge, hence my stating "UberGeorge, gota question for ya'.."

Honestly, I don't know whether anyone is a Christian or not, that's between them and God... I can however come to an understanding based on their fruit...

Also, bible disagrees with you..


New International Version (©1984)
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Romans 2:14-15

New International Version (NIV)

14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Well not really, cuz wickedness blinds men thus not allowing them to know who God is...if no one shows them the truth, they cannot suppress it, get it?? good...you guys have discarded the truth that Jehova, jesus Christ and the Holy spirit IS an all loving and forgiving God and have concentrated on his wrath and eternal punishment

 

[See_KING_Truth]

Why should the Muslims who BURN OFF THE FACES OF LITTLE GIRLS WITH ACID for the crime of trying to read, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing, and just claim that they're quoting god and doing his will! They also suicide bomb entire crowds of innocent people, they stone women on the charge of adultery because the woman is half a man and cannot win in court to prove she was raped?

Why should the Christians who just RUTHLESSLY BEAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO DEATH IN A MOB for the crime of loving someone of the same gender, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing. They can quote Leviticus and say that god commands the death of these people.

You will not justify anything you say, you quote the Bible and claim you have to do nothing else. What makes you right, whereas they are wrong? And give me a better answer than "because I know what god is really saying" because that's their answer too! Everyone believes god is telling them what to do, it is not an excuse to hate others, to make baseless claims that they are wicked, murderous, evil, and have no mercy or love.

Writing about what so called christians are doing in another country has nothing to do with us! I LIVE IN AMERICA, there is accountability for actions here. Just because we both believe in the one true God you are making a connection with us to murderers?

 

[1still_waters]

Why should the Muslims who BURN OFF THE FACES OF LITTLE GIRLS WITH ACID for the crime of trying to read, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing, and just claim that they're quoting god and doing his will! They also suicide bomb entire crowds of innocent people, they stone women on the charge of adultery because the woman is half a man and cannot win in court to prove she was raped?

Why should the Christians who just RUTHLESSLY BEAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO DEATH IN A MOB for the crime of loving someone of the same gender, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing. They can quote Leviticus and say that god commands the death of these people.

You will not justify anything you say, you quote the Bible and claim you have to do nothing else. What makes you right, whereas they are wrong? And give me a better answer than "because I know what god is really saying" because that's their answer too! Everyone believes god is telling them what to do, it is not an excuse to hate others, to make baseless claims that they are wicked, murderous, evil, and have no mercy or love.

Yeah you can throw all the hypothetical situations you want at me. Bottom line. people who reject God, do so out of their wickedness and desire to suppress the truth.

Bottom line, Jesus is ready and willing to save you. It's as near as your heart and your lips.

No amount of hypotheticals is going to deny that truth.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Why should the Muslims who BURN OFF THE FACES OF LITTLE GIRLS WITH ACID for the crime of trying to read, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing, and just claim that they're quoting god and doing his will! They also suicide bomb entire crowds of innocent people, they stone women on the charge of adultery because the woman is half a man and cannot win in court to prove she was raped?

Why should the Christians who just RUTHLESSLY BEAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO DEATH IN A MOB for the crime of loving someone of the same gender, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing. They can quote Leviticus and say that god commands the death of these people.

Is your condemnation of the actions rooted in a moral system that is subjective or objective ontologically?


inb4 dodgeball

 

[Jullianna]

Again, the word of God says what it says.

Not gonna go on the defensive for quoting the word of God.

It's very odd that you are being attacked personally for merely quoting the scriptures as if you had spoken them yourself and are expected to defend them for some reason. Thankfully, you realize that the objections being voiced are not with you personally, but with the scriptures themselves.

My prayer is that whatever truth is being sought will be revealed to those who are earnestly seeking. I pray the same for those who intentionally come to clearly labeled christian forums to mock and condemn in a passive aggressive manner thinly veiled as openmindedness and reason.

The scriptures have always and will always stand. They say what they say and do not need our defenses. Good for you.

 

[TDWP22]

Why should the Muslims who BURN OFF THE FACES OF LITTLE GIRLS WITH ACID for the crime of trying to read, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing, and just claim that they're quoting god and doing his will! They also suicide bomb entire crowds of innocent people, they stone women on the charge of adultery because the woman is half a man and cannot win in court to prove she was raped?

Why should the Christians who just RUTHLESSLY BEAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO DEATH IN A MOB for the crime of loving someone of the same gender, have to defend their actions? Why should they be accountable for their actions? After all, they can do exactly as you're doing. They can quote Leviticus and say that god commands the death of these people.

You will not justify anything you say, you quote the Bible and claim you have to do nothing else. What makes you right, whereas they are wrong? And give me a better answer than "because I know what god is really saying" because that's their answer too! Everyone believes god is telling them what to do, it is not an excuse to hate others, to make baseless claims that they are wicked, murderous, evil, and have no mercy or love.

umm, yeah some of us judge other people even though we shouldn't, but when have beaten a homosexual couple?? and if any of us have, please forgive our actions, we weren't commanded to do so, but to love our neighbor like ourselves, even if they are homosexual

 

[KnightdeKhristos]

Although I understand about what the Bible says about those who don't believe in God, I don't think it is very hospitable as a Christian to blatantly insult people and ask them to repent afterwards. Its very rude and isn't a very effective way to get people to listen to you.

 

[Thomas60]

They're not just hypotheticals, the latter happens in Uganda.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Yeah you can throw all the hypothetical situations you want at me. Bottom line. people who reject God, do so out of their wickedness and desire to suppress the truth.

Bottom line, Jesus is ready and willing to save you. It's as near as your heart and your lips.

No amount of hypotheticals is going to deny that truth.

Hypothetical? Those are very much real occurrences, they happen frighteningly and heartbreakinglly often. You've failed to actually respond to anything I've said, you expect everyone to believe that your religion is the truth but then cannot defend it as such. Until I get some reason other than Bible quotes to believe that I'm wicked, evil, murderous, deceitful, malevolent, I'm afraid I'm done reasoning. I'm passing off your claims the same way I would pass off a Muslim's claims that I must believe in his religion or be wicked and evil.

Writing about what so called christians are doing in another country has nothing to do with us! I LIVE IN AMERICA. Just because we both believe in the one true God you are making a connection with us to murderers?

I was saying that the exact same logic Still Waters is using is ALSO being used to justify horrendous things. I'm not saying you support or commit those actions, I was simply pointing out why the logic is flawed and quite frightening.

 

[UberGeorge]

They are not hypotheticals, she gave you examples right out of the news. You just don't want to own up to being hateful.

 

[1still_waters]

Although I understand about what the Bible says about those who don't believe in God, I don't think it is very hospitable as a Christian to blatantly insult people and ask them to repent afterwards. Its very rude and isn't a very effective way to get people to listen to you.

It's called imploring people to be saved.