This is what I've been trying to convey in the past year.

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1. The promise of faith has nothing to do with the land promise

The promise of the land is to Abraham and his descendants (seed). In the mosaic covenant and now in the New covenant, the gentiles have been grafted into "Israel" Christ being the true Israel.

2 the promise was made before the law

I agree.

3 the promise was called an eternal promise forever. If that promise is done away with as replacement theologians insist then forever is not forever. For those of us who preach eternal life is eternal and will never end we have a problem if Gods eternal promise to Israel is done away

Yes the promise is to Abraham and his descendants, the new testament tells us who those true children are (post #39). And a land that lasts for just 1000 years in the future, is not eternal. But thankfully scripture tell us the fulfillment of those eternal promises to Abraham are all fulfilled in Christ. Gal 3:16 and Revelataion 21:1-2.

4 lev 26 gave Israel punishment for disobedience the last punishment was fulfilled in AD70 when Rome scattered Israel completely from her land

Yes as with your point no 1., Abrahams eternal promise was long before the mosaic covenant. The Mosaic covenant was conditional, Abraham was unconditional!

5 that same promise of punishment promised that if the nation repent of her sins and her fathers sins God would remember the promise he would remember the land

Yes and all descendants, the true seed (again see post #39) will inherent an eternal land:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

 

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The promise of the land is to Abraham and his descendants (seed). In the mosaic covenant and now in the New covenant, the gentiles have been grafted into "Israel" Christ being the true Israel.

Then why are we not living in the promised land? I am sorry bro but your first pet is right. The second is in error. There were many saved gentiles in the OT that is part of the church. The land promise was not to them

Yes the promise is to Abraham and his descendants, the new testament tells us who those true children are (post #39). And a land that lasts for just 1000 years in the future, is not eternal. But thankfully scripture tell us the fulfillment of those eternal promises to Abraham are all fulfilled in Christ. Gal 3:16 and Revelataion 21:1-2.



Yes as with your point no 1., Abrahams eternal promise was long before the mosaic covenant. The Mosaic covenant was conditional, Abraham was unconditional!



Yes and all descendants, the true seed (again see post #39) will inherent an eternal land:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

No brother. The NT testament tells us that salvation is to all people. According to the Abraham of covenant that is true. We n you fall all the nations be blessed. That’s you and me
the land promise was never given to us. New Jerusalem was not promised according to the Abrahamic Covenant in Abraham Isaac and Jacob. If that was true all physical descendants of them would be saved.
Which is what they thought. And why they rejected Christ

 

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The promise of the land is to Abraham and his descendants (seed). In the mosaic covenant and now in the New covenant, the gentiles have been grafted into "Israel" Christ being the true Israel.

Then why are we not living in the promised land? I am sorry bro but your first pet is right. The second is in error. There were many saved gentiles in the OT that is part of the church. The land promise was not to them

Your last sentence doesn't make much sense. When we consider that the promises made to Abraham were for his descendants. The Mosaic covenant was conditional, and is now gone, fulfilled in Christ.

So who are the heirs to the promise:

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.

Paul put it succinctly here:

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:11-13.


So it is very clear there are not two programsin God's redemptive plan. Now Gentiles are grafted in and what does Paul say, we are now not excluded from Israel (remember christ is the true Israelite), and we areno longer foreigners and not exclude from the covenant of promise... the Abrahamic covenant (all of it).

No brother. The NT testament tells us that salvation is to all people. According to the Abraham of covenant that is true. We n you fall all the nations be blessed. That’s you and me

yep, that is Jew and gentile.. all people biblical terms is jew and gentile! So all people in fact are just these two groups. Jew and gentile make up all the nations of the world. Abrahams true descendants are who- again scripture tells us 'it is the children of promise'

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.

the land promise was never given to us.

Who do you mean by us.. scripture is very clear by faith you are a child (descendant) of Abraham:

6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. Gal. 3:6-9.


And scripture tells us that we are now grafted in (Romans 11:13-21) and children of the promise no longer excluded Romans 9:6-8

Then why are we not living in the promised land?

Just to comment on your first sentence. We will, just in the future..Where Jew and gentile in Christ (Abraham's children Galatians 3:7) will live in, as promised. An everlasting covenant. God's people, in God's place, under God's rule, perfectly for eternity. (Remember the nation of Israel and its land is a picture a type and shadow of the future glory of the new heavens and earth.. a better Eden).



Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

 

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Your last sentence doesn't make much sense. When we consider that the promises made to Abraham were for his descendants.

It makes perfect sense.

Because the land promise was not given to all his descendents only one

The Mosaic covenant was conditional, and is now gone, fulfilled in Christ.

Why do you keep bringing up the mosaic covenant?

Gen 15: 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

where is mosaic law in this promise?

Gen 17: Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Where is mosaic law in this passage?

Gen 26, to Isaac
2 Then the Lord appeared to him and said: “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I shall tell you. 3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Same covenant, Again where is the law in this promise?

Here we have Jacob

4 And give you the blessing of Abraham, To you and your descendants with you, That you may inherit the land In[b] which you are a stranger, Which God gave to Abraham.” So who are the heirs to the promise:

Again, Where is the law of moses in this promise?

in fact, in all I have just posted. Where is ANY family outside of Abraham Isaac and Jacob given this promise?

13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed

Again where is the law of moses in this promise?

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.

Paul put it succinctly here:

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:11-13.


So it is very clear there are not two programsin God's redemptive plan. Now Gentiles are grafted in and what does Paul say, we are now not excluded from Israel (remember christ is the true Israelite), and we areno longer foreigners and not exclude from the covenant of promise... the Abrahamic covenant (all of it).

Evrerything you posted above is about the REDEMPTIVE aspect of the promise to abraham. Why are you discussing this?

God did not promise abrahamic his seed would ALL be saved.

He said he GAVE THEM A PLOT OF LAND. That has nothing to do with their salvation

Paul said in rome 11. Gods promises are irrevocable. That These people of Israel are hated concerning the gospel. But beloved concerning the promises. He also told us gentile to not be puffed up. That God is not done with Israel.


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yep, that is Jew and gentile.. all people biblical terms is jew and gentile! So all people in fact are just these two groups. Jew and gentile make up all the nations of the world. Abrahams true descendants are who- again scripture tells us 'it is the children of promise'

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.


Your talking about the redemptive promise

I am not.

Thats why replacement theology fails. It is trying to take the physical promise and convert it to the spiritual promise.

It does not fit bro.

The law of moses ONLY tells us what Israel had to do to be blessed by what God promised. And to be punished and not be blessed By gods promise on earth.

 

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where is mosaic law in this promise?

Where is mosaic law in this passage?

Where is mosaic law in this passage?

Its you who brought the "conditional" mosaic covenant into the fray.

t was not told if they sin they will be destroyed and scattered all over the earth it was not told even after they are scattered. If the repent. God will remember his promise to the fathers he will remember the land gods promises as Paul said are irrevocable. They still stand

4 lev 26 gave Israel punishment for disobedience the last punishment was fulfilled in AD70 when Rome scattered Israel completely from her land
5 that same promise of punishment promised that if the nation repent of her sins and her fathers sins God would remember the promise he would remember the land

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in fact, in all I have just posted. Where is ANY family outside of Abraham Isaac and Jacob given this promise?

The Abrahamic covenant is to Abraham and his descendants:


"and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”"

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. - Gal 3:16

And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. - Matt 3:9

For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. -

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.


So the all those of faith are children of the promise to Abraham, the nation of Israel came about under the mosaic covenant.

in fact, in all I have just posted. Where is ANY family outside of Abraham Isaac and Jacob given this promise?

That promise is in effect today. It has nothing to do with the church. Or new Jerusalem. Israel was not promised new Jerusalem it did nit exist yet and the church was not promised the land

By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. - Hebrew 11:8ff



And all of Abraham's seed can look forward to the eternal promise Gen 17:8:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

 

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Its you who brought the "conditional" mosaic covenant into the fray.

I brought up Lev 26, Which is still in effect today. You have failed to prove otherwise

The Abrahamic covenant is to Abraham and his descendants:


"and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”"

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. - Gal 3:16

And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. - Matt 3:9

For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. -

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.


So the all those of faith are children of the promise to Abraham, the nation of Israel came about under the mosaic covenant.






By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. - Hebrew 11:8ff



And all of Abraham's seed can look forward to the eternal promise Gen 17:8:

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

ONLY TO THE ONE SEED.

Why was it not promised to Esau? What about Ishmael? Abraham had many sone from many wives, Why was it not given to them?

Why was it ONLY given to Abraham though ONE SON (Isaac)

Isaac through one son Jacob

Jacob to his 12 sons?

And why did all the OT prophets say even AFTER they are scattered because of their sin, God will REMEMBER his promise to them AFTER THEY REPENT of their sins and their fathers sins, according to Lev 26.

And why did paul call them our enemy concerning the gospel. But believed concerning the promise

You have faith to answer ANY of these question. You keep going to the salvic portion of the abrahamic covenant (in you (your seed) shall all the nations be blessed.

whihc has absolutely NOTHING to do with the land that was promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons as an eternal promise

once again

If God does not keep his promise to THEM by showing mercy to THEM

Nothing guarantees he will keep his promise to us.

Its dangerous to claim God is done with the people to whom he made a specific promise too.

 

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ONLY TO THE ONE SEED.

Why was it not promised to Esau? What about Ishmael? Abraham had many sone from many wives, Why was it not given to them?

Why was it ONLY given to Abraham though ONE SON (Isaac)

Isaac through one son Jacob

Jacob to his 12 sons?

Scripture answers the very question you pose:-


For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. -

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.

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If God does not keep his promise to THEM by showing mercy to THEM

Nothing guarantees he will keep his promise to us.

Its dangerous to claim God is done with the people to whom he made a specific promise too.

God has kept his promises.. God has shown mercy to all men, jew and gentile. One people in Christ.


And we will look forward as did Abraham:

By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. - Hebrew 11:8ff



Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

 

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Scripture answers the very question you pose:-


For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. -

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. - Romans 9:6-8

even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,
and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God. - Romans 9:24-28.

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For salvation YOUR CORRECT

according to the promise that was given ONLY to one seed

YOUR NOT CORRECT

Its like your trying to mix sanctification with justification trying to excuse a works based Gospel

Again

The land was NOT GIVEN TO ALL THE SEED. Only to the one. if it was given to ALL. Then Esau, Ishmael, and all of abrahams kids would have inherited it. They did not. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM.

I am sorry bother. But your off context. Your trying to make an eternal spiritual promise given to ALL who are of the faith of abraham

with th PHYSICAL eternal promise given only to one seed of Abraham, and also to Isaac and Jacob. Salvation had NOTHING to do with this promise. Because not all people in thei line of abrahams seed is saved. Yet the promise belongs to them/ Thats WHY paul calls them in Romans 11 elect according to the promise. Enemies because of the gospel. Because in this day, THEY REJECTED THE GOSPEL.

 

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God has kept his promises.. God has shown mercy to all men, jew and gentile. One people in Christ.


And we will look forward as did Abraham:

By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. - Hebrew 11:8ff



Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. - Revelation 21:1-2.

Lol

Sorry Bro.

Your right, he does keep all his promises

He will keep his promise to Israel too. When he brings them back from every nation. Punishes the nations who even today are treating them badly. Restor s them to their land. And christ himself becomes their king in Jerusalem according to his promise to David. Just like the OT prophets say he will.

The new heaven and the new earth is not part of the promise of Canaan which abraham never got to enjoy, and with which his descendents had to be slaves for 400 years because the sins of the amortize is not yet complete.

Yes. They looked forward to a BETTER PROMISE. (Eternity with God is BETTER then living on a plot of land here on earth)

yet the promise remains the same.

 

[phil36]

Lol

Sorry Bro.

Your right, he does keep all his promises

He will keep his promise to Israel too. When he brings them back from every nation. Punishes the nations who even today are treating them badly. Restor s them to their land. And christ himself becomes their king in Jerusalem according to his promise to David. Just like the OT prophets say he will.

The new heaven and the new earth is not part of the promise of Canaan which abraham never got to enjoy, and with which his descendents had to be slaves for 400 years because the sins of the amortize is not yet complete.

Yes. They looked forward to a BETTER PROMISE. (Eternity with God is BETTER then living on a plot of land here on earth)

yet the promise remains the same.

Lol this debate will go on till the end of time.. Good debating with you EG.

But I'm dying here with man flu (so I'm told) ... so time for bed. Enjoy the rest of your night

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol this debate will go on till the end of time.. Good debating with you EG.

But I'm dying here with man flu (so I'm told) ... so time for bed. Enjoy the rest of your night

Feel better, and I hope that is all it is

 

[phil36]

Feel better, and I hope that is all it is

Thanks yeah, I've had two tests, so its just a bad cold

 

[Blik]

Just as it appears..Israel replaced by the church.
This theology is out of the pit of hell its self. In fact God finds such teachings very offensive.

If you declare Israel is replaced by the church, then you must have decided that is what scripture tells us. Scripture doesn't tell me this, where could we locate it in scripture?

I have read that God created Israel from a gentile in order to show himself to all humans.

 

[pottersclay]

If you declare Israel is replaced by the church, then you must have decided that is what scripture tells us. Scripture doesn't tell me this, where could we locate it in scripture?

I have read that God created Israel from a gentile in order to show himself to all humans.

No I think you misread. The church will never replace Israel. Israel is not the church.

 

[Blade]

The Lord has opened my eyes to theses appointed times and I prayerfully ask for your attention towards this video.
This is the very heart and nature of God and how he is moving toward his soon return.
In my battle against replacement theology preaching,( which is on going )he has blessed me with theses insights in his word.
I'm not about a cult of a movement but want to bring out what the Lord has shown me and placed upon my heart to share.

I believe it is very important for every christian to understand the appointed times as it keeps the scriptures in order and reveals false teachings.
I pray that you are not led astray but draw closer to God and his ways and may you once again be set on fire for the Lord and stand in awe of his word and ways.

Thanks.. I can see where some might get stuck. Its something you have to study and search.. its on there in the word. Whats "all there" yeah I don't have that right to tell you.. some seem to believe its their right you see understand believe as they do...which goes against the word of God Feasts.. man don't let anyone tell you "you must keep them" vs "you don't have to keep theme". Adding more burdens.

Some believe after the Church is taken...after the sweet holy Spirit it taken out of the way.. it would seem as if time changed. Before Christ Satan was out in the open. Church here he can not for we all have authority over him yet after He/it is taken out of the way the lawless one/man of sin comes out in the open doing lying wonders. Some believe Israel still has to answer to God for that missing week "7 years". Oh but then this starts to sound like "dispensationalism".. so duh its all wrong lol. Praise God. So many "personally beliefs" take over so it can then be hard to see truth. NOT SAYING dispensationalism is true or wrong

Oh but if you think you or me KNOW how this is all going to play out.. we don't. We love to think we do.. Jews knew all about the Messiah yet face to face could not see Him and were much better today huh

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You seem to be more interested in making false accusations than dealing with what is actually in the Bible. Accusing Christians of divination and fortune telling is slander -- plain and simple. If that is what you enjoy fine. You will give account.

When Christians study the Word and discern God's plans as revealed by Him, that is neither divination nor fortune telling. The Bible reveals that God has a future plan for redeemed and restored Israel. And that will not go into effect until the Church has been completed. That is exactly what Paul stated in Romans 11:25-27: For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion [Jerusalem] the Deliverer [Christ], and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob [Israel]: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

What does this passage teach us?

1. The partial judicial blindness of Israel to the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is their true Messiah is a mystery. One should have expected every Jew to believe on Him, but such was not the case.

2. Gentiles Christians are not to be high-minded and wise in their own conceits when speaking of unsaved Jews during the Church Age, because God does have a future plan for Israel.

3. Blindness in part means that there will be Jews saved during the Church Age and will be a part of the Church. These are the Messianic Jews we hear and read about. The Church began with saved Jews in Jerusalem, but eventually there were more Gentiles added to the Church than Jews.

4. "Until the fulness of the Gentiles" is a reference to the fact that God has a specific number of Gentiles in mind before the Church is completed. When the full measure of Gentiles "be come in" or are gathered into the Church, that will be the end of the Church Age and will culminate in the Resurrection/Rapture. After that the Marriage of the Lamb will occur, followed by Christ coming to earth "with power and great glory", and accompanied by all His saints and angels.

5. However Christ will return to earth at least seven years later, and AFTER His Second Coming He will gather all Jews worldwide to Israel. He will send forth His angels as noted in Matthew 24.

6. Following that one-third of all the Jews will be saved (as noted in the OT). But since we see that "all Israel" is saved, it can only mean that Jews from each and every one of the 12 tribes will be saved. That would encompass "all Israel" but not every living Jew at that time.

7. Christ will come to the Mount of Olives (which will split at that time) and deal with His enemies at the battle of Armageddon. The Antichrist and the False Prophet, along with all the enemies of Christ, will be destroyed at that time. Then Jesus will turn His attention to the Jews.

8. Christ will therefore be the Deliverer of Israel and the Jews, following which there will be genuine mourning and repentance among believing Jews. They will finally recognize Christ as Yeshua ha Mashiach (the one whom they pierced), and He will "take away their sins". All those redeemed at this time will receive the Holy Spirit and be born again.

9. After this Christ will establish His millennial Kingdom, which will include a redeemed and restored Israel on earth, with all 12 tribes settled in the land of greater Israel (from the Nile to the Euphrates). For details see the prophecy of Ezekiel.

10. "For this is my covenant unto them" means that what was promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ("the fathers") through the Abrahamic Covenant will definitely be fulfilled. Which also means that Replacement Theology has no validity.

Here is an example of how to correctly interpret prophesy:

Daniel 8:11
It magnified itself, even to the Prince of the host; it removed His daily sacrifice and overthrew the place of His sanctuary.

the Prince of the host
Luke 2:7,9,13-14
7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.
9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!

and the place of His sanctuary
Luke 2:41-50
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom. 43 And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, 44 but supposing him to be in the group they went a day's journey, but then they began to search for him among their relatives and acquaintances, 45 and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 And when his parents saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.” 49 And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?” 50 And they did not understand the saying that he spoke to them.

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If you are unable to interpret correctly prophesy that has already been fulfilled (i.e Daniel 8:11), then how can you possibly interpret correctly unfulfilled prophesy? Answer: You Cannot!