Atheism is rooted in wicked sinful people suppressing God because of their wickedness

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Graybeard

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your not helping...keep bashing them, see if they will come to christ
for your information....don't you think they have given tons of help?......just read back and look at other threads as well, they do not want it!...they reject the Truth by their own choice, all they are attempting to do now is sow distention among Christians, doing the work of their father the devil....can you not see that!!
bash them?....I'll bash anything that has evil intentions. open your eyes and see what they are trying to do!
 
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TDWP22

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for your information....don't you think they have given tons of help?......just read back and look at other threads as well, they do not want it!...they reject the Truth by their own choice, all they are attempting to do now is sow distention among Christians, doing the work of their father the devil....can you not see that!!
bash them?....I'll bash anything that has evil intentions. open your eyes and see what they are trying to do!
you do know bashing you neighbor is a sin...soo yeahh, im not really going to argue with another one of you
 
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Graybeard

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you do know bashing you neighbor is a sin...soo yeahh, im not really going to argue with another one of you
So this "neighbor" is a wolf in sheep's clothing, this "neighbor" scorns the Lord of Lords and mockery is their motto, this "neighbor" is of the devil and you attempt to lay a guilt trip on me? sorry bru!
 
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kayem77

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I don't see this is going anywhere good.The Bible is the truth even you like it or not, but if you really want to understand the Bible, eventually you will. Please stop closing your eyes to the truth. I once had doubts, maybe the same as yours, because I really didn't know the word of God, and nobody explained it to me. Since you guys want some answers, I'll give you some reasonable answers, if you think about it for a while and are humble enough to open your mind and heart a little, you will understand.

I have a friend ( with whom I will always be thankful) who took the time to talk to me about these things, and even though at the start I still felt doubtful inside , with the time I started to feel The truth . Sorry to say you can't believe if you don't feel anything, faith is blind. Once I thought the same as you, and what people use to say these days: The point of life is to be a good person( although moral is SO relative), help others , and reach my dreams. Doesn't sound bad right? But now I realize, that life is pointless. Think and reason about this: How did MORAL, for starters, came to exist? I inform you that our vision of what is good and bad in this world is taken anywhere else but The Bible and Christianity propagation. Our world is so influenced by christian values that you didn't even notice where they come from. Think about a world without God and without the Bible, and you will see people killing people in the streets, stealing, raping innocent women and children, lying, etc without repentance. AND I MEAN A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER HAD GOD.

God is the source of Good, he gave the world The Law, he is the onee that said, don't kill each other, don't lie, don't steal to your brother, be loyal to your spouse,love each other etc. YES, HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT and no I dont have a "valid" paper to prove it sorry, but please don't confuse my God, our God, with all the other so called gods and religions around the world. Those are false prophets that use religion for personal benefit.
Think about all the countries where karma is the belief, not charity. There you do something in your past life to deserve that you are suffering now. So people see homeless, handicapped, paralytics, and other disfortunate ones suffering and they WON'T help. Why? because their belief taught them not to intervine with the natural cycle of life. Let the punished ones suffer from their bad behavior on past life. On the other side, A Good Christian see this as obviously wrong, he/she says, I have to help!

Because people are a creation from God and He called us to love and help one another, despite of the race,color,economic situation,etc. And this is another thing to consideration : We value Life and Human Dignity. It's written in the Bible, we are all a creation from God. And we are different than animals, we are not educated and evolved animals, we have a soul and reason. God gave them to us. If we were animals we would be applying the Darwinian Law, the survival of the fittest. I want to be rich, but there is some people hindering my goals.I go and kill him, because I can; after all, Im stronger . But no, I have very good reasons to not do it.
You may say, yeah that's somethng that has always been around the world. Wrong. In countries like this, it is, and that's because Christianity has spread all around the world and values from the Bible were taken and used in laws and social rules. Go to an isolated place where Christianity and the Media is not there. They are right now dinning human beings. This "moral" has not come to them, since the book with the source of moral is not known there. We consider human life as something with dignity and big value, so here we are, dinning chicken instead of humans. If you don't believe me, answer, why aren't you eating a human right now? its just flesh, they are not going to tell you anything, they are dead! So what's wrong with eating humans? Well....It's "morally" wrong right?

And another onee. The Government. Why do we have a government and a law? Because of the influence of christianity; christianity is based on the law. The Bible is full of laws. Law brings justice to the ones that are easily abused by the ones with more power and money. We believe in law, that's why you and me hate to see when injustice is happening in the world in countries like Lybia, Egypt, Afghanistan,etc. They are just applying the Darwinian way of living: the survival of the fittest. They can abuse of their power BECAUSE THEY CAN. But to us, God tell us not to do it, and we obey, and we have a government with those principles. I'm not saying our government is christian, or that the world is christian, because it's certainly not, but christianity has had a lot of influence in it.

So, whatever you think, Christianity is the best that could happen to this world. That there are some people killing each other because "god told them" believe me, that's not true, and that's NOT our God. God is not a religion, and He can't be changed for personal benefit. He is justice, and people don't like justice since we are wrong a lot of time, so they twist the meaning of justice so it can fit to their ways.

Hope you open your eyes one day, I understand your reasons of not believing, but stop closing your heart, since God is waiting for you. And He can't certainly wait forever.
 
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Ramon

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I don't see this is going anywhere good.The Bible is the truth even you like it or not, but if you really want to understand the Bible, eventually you will. Please stop closing your eyes to the truth. I once had doubts, maybe the same as yours, because I really didn't know the word of God, and nobody explained it to me. Since you guys want some answers, I'll give you some reasonable answers, if you think about it for a while and are humble enough to open your mind and heart a little, you will understand.

I have a friend ( with whom I will always be thankful) who took the time to talk to me about these things, and even though at the start I still felt doubtful inside , with the time I started to feel The truth . Sorry to say you can't believe if you don't feel anything, faith is blind. Once I thought the same as you, and what people use to say these days: The point of life is to be a good person( although moral is SO relative), help others , and reach my dreams. Doesn't sound bad right? But now I realize, that life is pointless. Think and reason about this: How did MORAL, for starters, came to exist? I inform you that our vision of what is good and bad in this world is taken anywhere else but The Bible and Christianity propagation. Our world is so influenced by christian values that you didn't even notice where they come from. Think about a world without God and without the Bible, and you will see people killing people in the streets, stealing, raping innocent women and children, lying, etc without repentance. AND I MEAN A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER HAD GOD.

God is the source of Good, he gave the world The Law, he is the onee that said, don't kill each other, don't lie, don't steal to your brother, be loyal to your spouse,love each other etc. YES, HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT and no I dont have a "valid" paper to prove it sorry, but please don't confuse my God, our God, with all the other so called gods and religions around the world. Those are false prophets that use religion for personal benefit.
Think about all the countries where karma is the belief, not charity. There you do something in your past life to deserve that you are suffering now. So people see homeless, handicapped, paralytics, and other disfortunate ones suffering and they WON'T help. Why? because their belief taught them not to intervine with the natural cycle of life. Let the punished ones suffer from their bad behavior on past life. On the other side, A Good Christian see this as obviously wrong, he/she says, I have to help!

Because people are a creation from God and He called us to love and help one another, despite of the race,color,economic situation,etc. And this is another thing to consideration : We value Life and Human Dignity. It's written in the Bible, we are all a creation from God. And we are different than animals, we are not educated and evolved animals, we have a soul and reason. God gave them to us. If we were animals we would be applying the Darwinian Law, the survival of the fittest. I want to be rich, but there is some people hindering my goals.I go and kill him, because I can; after all, Im stronger . But no, I have very good reasons to not do it.
You may say, yeah that's somethng that has always been around the world. Wrong. In countries like this, it is, and that's because Christianity has spread all around the world and values from the Bible were taken and used in laws and social rules. Go to an isolated place where Christianity and the Media is not there. They are right now dinning human beings. This "moral" has not come to them, since the book with the source of moral is not known there. We consider human life as something with dignity and big value, so here we are, dinning chicken instead of humans. If you don't believe me, answer, why aren't you eating a human right now? its just flesh, they are not going to tell you anything, they are dead! So what's wrong with eating humans? Well....It's "morally" wrong right?

And another onee. The Government. Why do we have a government and a law? Because of the influence of christianity; christianity is based on the law. The Bible is full of laws. Law brings justice to the ones that are easily abused by the ones with more power and money. We believe in law, that's why you and me hate to see when injustice is happening in the world in countries like Lybia, Egypt, Afghanistan,etc. They are just applying the Darwinian way of living: the survival of the fittest. They can abuse of their power BECAUSE THEY CAN. But to us, God tell us not to do it, and we obey, and we have a government with those principles. I'm not saying our government is christian, or that the world is christian, because it's certainly not, but christianity has had a lot of influence in it.

So, whatever you think, Christianity is the best that could happen to this world. That there are some people killing each other because "god told them" believe me, that's not true, and that's NOT our God. God is not a religion, and He can't be changed for personal benefit. He is justice, and people don't like justice since we are wrong a lot of time, so they twist the meaning of justice so it can fit to their ways.

Hope you open your eyes one day, I understand your reasons of not believing, but stop closing your heart, since God is waiting for you. And He can't certainly wait forever.
I love this friend. May Jesus bless you. :)
 
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TDWP22

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So this "neighbor" is a wolf in sheep's clothing, this "neighbor" scorns the Lord of Lords and mockery is their motto, this "neighbor" is of the devil and you attempt to lay a guilt trip on me? sorry bru!
neighbor is still your neighbor no matter what...hate the sin not the sinner...so yeah insulting, no matter how evil they are, its a sin

ever heard of the pastor who defeated the KKK? look it up on youtube
 
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neighbor is still your neighbor no matter what...hate the sin not the sinner...so yeah insulting, no matter how evil they are, its a sin

ever heard of the pastor who defeated the KKK? look it up on youtube
You know, I could understand some of the hate if we were evil, however... Hatred of atheists is no more well founded than the KKK's hatred of African-Americans. That is to say, not at all justified, because neither atheists nor African-Americans are evil. How do you go about claiming a person who sees violence as absolutely unacceptable and harming others as detestable? I don't see how you can. Bigotry and hatred based on no more than religious belief is a dangerous, absolutely horrifying path, as I've pointed out earlier in this thread... I need sleep, it's 2:30, why am I still here. See you all tomorrow, maybe.
 
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1still_waters

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You know, I could understand some of the hate if we were evil, however... Hatred of atheists is no more well founded than the KKK's hatred of African-Americans. That is to say, not at all justified, because neither atheists nor African-Americans are evil. How do you go about claiming a person who sees violence as absolutely unacceptable and harming others as detestable? I don't see how you can. Bigotry and hatred based on no more than religious belief is a dangerous, absolutely horrifying path, as I've pointed out earlier in this thread... I need sleep, it's 2:30, why am I still here. See you all tomorrow, maybe.
Again we will not cower as these false claims are tossed at us as we uphold the word of God. You want to stop preaching of Gods word by labeling it as hate. That's not gonna fly on this site.
 
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Jullianna

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neighbor is still your neighbor no matter what...hate the sin not the sinner...so yeah insulting, no matter how evil they are, its a sin

ever heard of the pastor who defeated the KKK? look it up on youtube
Please re-read your own words:
"i wasnt talking to you, dont butt into a conversation you arent called into...this is between me and waters...i ll let you know if i need your help, thanks"

Matthew 7:5 first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
 
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Jullianna

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Again we will not cower as these false claims are tossed at us as we uphold the word of God. You want to stop preaching of Gods word by labeling it as hate. That's not gonna fly on this site.
satan is the father of lies and continues to twist truth as he has from the beginning by using those whose eyes are still scaled over by the reasoning of their own minds and the pridefulness of their own understanding. I have prayed that the Holy Spirit will soften their hearts and open their eyes to the Truth and grace of our Lord.

We are to share Christ with them, as was done. But we were also told to shake the dust from our sandals and move on when they have heard the truth and make an informed decision to reject Him.

Thank you and this site for standing for the Truth. Many who are young in the faith come to these threads and the venom against our faith contained here could cause them to stumble.
 
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Jullianna

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I don't see this is going anywhere good.The Bible is the truth even you like it or not, but if you really want to understand the Bible, eventually you will. Please stop closing your eyes to the truth. I once had doubts, maybe the same as yours, because I really didn't know the word of God, and nobody explained it to me. Since you guys want some answers, I'll give you some reasonable answers, if you think about it for a while and are humble enough to open your mind and heart a little, you will understand.

I have a friend ( with whom I will always be thankful) who took the time to talk to me about these things, and even though at the start I still felt doubtful inside , with the time I started to feel The truth . Sorry to say you can't believe if you don't feel anything, faith is blind. Once I thought the same as you, and what people use to say these days: The point of life is to be a good person( although moral is SO relative), help others , and reach my dreams. Doesn't sound bad right? But now I realize, that life is pointless. Think and reason about this: How did MORAL, for starters, came to exist? I inform you that our vision of what is good and bad in this world is taken anywhere else but The Bible and Christianity propagation. Our world is so influenced by christian values that you didn't even notice where they come from. Think about a world without God and without the Bible, and you will see people killing people in the streets, stealing, raping innocent women and children, lying, etc without repentance. AND I MEAN A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER HAD GOD.

God is the source of Good, he gave the world The Law, he is the onee that said, don't kill each other, don't lie, don't steal to your brother, be loyal to your spouse,love each other etc. YES, HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT and no I dont have a "valid" paper to prove it sorry, but please don't confuse my God, our God, with all the other so called gods and religions around the world. Those are false prophets that use religion for personal benefit.
Think about all the countries where karma is the belief, not charity. There you do something in your past life to deserve that you are suffering now. So people see homeless, handicapped, paralytics, and other disfortunate ones suffering and they WON'T help. Why? because their belief taught them not to intervine with the natural cycle of life. Let the punished ones suffer from their bad behavior on past life. On the other side, A Good Christian see this as obviously wrong, he/she says, I have to help!

Because people are a creation from God and He called us to love and help one another, despite of the race,color,economic situation,etc. And this is another thing to consideration : We value Life and Human Dignity. It's written in the Bible, we are all a creation from God. And we are different than animals, we are not educated and evolved animals, we have a soul and reason. God gave them to us. If we were animals we would be applying the Darwinian Law, the survival of the fittest. I want to be rich, but there is some people hindering my goals.I go and kill him, because I can; after all, Im stronger . But no, I have very good reasons to not do it.
You may say, yeah that's somethng that has always been around the world. Wrong. In countries like this, it is, and that's because Christianity has spread all around the world and values from the Bible were taken and used in laws and social rules. Go to an isolated place where Christianity and the Media is not there. They are right now dinning human beings. This "moral" has not come to them, since the book with the source of moral is not known there. We consider human life as something with dignity and big value, so here we are, dinning chicken instead of humans. If you don't believe me, answer, why aren't you eating a human right now? its just flesh, they are not going to tell you anything, they are dead! So what's wrong with eating humans? Well....It's "morally" wrong right?

And another onee. The Government. Why do we have a government and a law? Because of the influence of christianity; christianity is based on the law. The Bible is full of laws. Law brings justice to the ones that are easily abused by the ones with more power and money. We believe in law, that's why you and me hate to see when injustice is happening in the world in countries like Lybia, Egypt, Afghanistan,etc. They are just applying the Darwinian way of living: the survival of the fittest. They can abuse of their power BECAUSE THEY CAN. But to us, God tell us not to do it, and we obey, and we have a government with those principles. I'm not saying our government is christian, or that the world is christian, because it's certainly not, but christianity has had a lot of influence in it.

So, whatever you think, Christianity is the best that could happen to this world. That there are some people killing each other because "god told them" believe me, that's not true, and that's NOT our God. God is not a religion, and He can't be changed for personal benefit. He is justice, and people don't like justice since we are wrong a lot of time, so they twist the meaning of justice so it can fit to their ways.

Hope you open your eyes one day, I understand your reasons of not believing, but stop closing your heart, since God is waiting for you. And He can't certainly wait forever.
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You are always such a blessing, kayem. The love in your words is palpable.
 
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AnandaHya

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ok stillie I only got to the second page, but I thought I'd post something.

there are more than one type of atheist. just as there is more than one type of person who calls themselves Christians.

1. we have the one quoted in Romans who are pagans and worship idols and flesh, and other wickedness such as raping children for their satanistic rituals (yes there are newspaper articles about the break up of such cults)

2. we have people who are agnostic who believe in God but are lukewarm (we have Bible verses about people who are lukewarm too)

3. We have people who have a form of godliness but deny the power therein. I think most of the people who have posted feel they are moral people and have a sense of self righteousness. therefore Stillie this Bible verses fit them better.

2 Timothy 3:2-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.


To the Atheist: telling people the truth isn't being a bigot or hateful. I do not think most of you ( atheist) are intentionally wicked but rather delusional and trapped in chains of darkness and ignorance. Because you say you can see, you remain blind and your sin remains with you.

you don't have to be guilty of All listed below just one. can any of you say that you are not guilty of one of the listed sins?

Christians have Jesus and the Holy Spirit to help redeem and help them over come. Atheist have themselves and eventually they will learn that that is not enough to overcome the temptations of the world.

I will be praying that God touches your lives and soften your hearts to be able to receive the wonderful gift God is offering to you.


1. do you love yourself more then others?
2. do you love money?
3. boasters, proud, blasphemers? (that one you can see just reading the words posted already)
4. disobedient to parents?
5., unthankful, unholy? (do you thank God for the air you breath, the sun in the sky, your body, your ability to get online and debate with Christians?)
6. unloving, unforgiving (why do you resist Christianity? is it because someone who claimed to be Christian hurt you and you have not forgiven them or God for "allowing" it to happen? )
7. , slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good? (why do you call us hateful why do you feel like the words are spoken against you? where is your self control? why do you post if you do not believe it? why do you despise the word of God?)
8 traitors?
9. headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God?
10. having a form of godliness but denying its power (that verse is for those who think they are righteous but still deny that it is God who wrote the laws of morality in the hearts of all His creation.)

YouTube - ‪Voice Of Truth - Casting Crowns‬‏

Anyway I don't expect the atheist to really listen but post more for my Christian brethren out there. Remember God said to love them but that does not mean to allow them to lead others down their twisted path of denying God's grace and love and being unthankful boastful children.
 
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Fidelis

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Arguing about each other's religion is basically very stupid, needless, but probably also never ending. If you have had some experiences with God in your life, you can know that God excists. But you can never explain an atheist that God excist, but that is very understandable.

Christians see the wickedness of atheism. Nothing that suddenly expanded, it does sound strange. But I can also understand that atheists can see the wickedness of christians. Adoring a God who you have never seen, which has always been (that's equally strange as nothing suddenly expanding).

So it's just better to respect each other. Calling someone with other ideas 'wicked' only result into conflicts, not into harmony.
 
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you atheists are doing Satan's work well I must admit...he must be very proud of you guys, if you only would come to realize what his reward to you is going to be......you brood of vipers!
Witnessing: you're doing it wrong.




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AnandaHya

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You know, I could understand some of the hate if we were evil, however... Hatred of atheists is no more well founded than the KKK's hatred of African-Americans. That is to say, not at all justified, because neither atheists nor African-Americans are evil. How do you go about claiming a person who sees violence as absolutely unacceptable and harming others as detestable? I don't see how you can. Bigotry and hatred based on no more than religious belief is a dangerous, absolutely horrifying path, as I've pointed out earlier in this thread... I need sleep, it's 2:30, why am I still here. See you all tomorrow, maybe.
LaylieCalmMind, WHy do you think Christians hate you?

I for one do not hate you. The examples you give are heart breaking and I know more so because its true and other actrocities have been done in the name of religion. but you see that is not what God intends for people to do or be.

God has placed in EVERY Heart His laws. that is why you see some moral people who are not Christain. that is why your heart tells you to love others and do good and be a moral person. That is God's laws speaking in you. He speaks in the hearts and minds of all of His creation.

I do not think the world is wicked and evil intentionally. I think humans have sinful tendencies. You can see it in children when they refuse to share with others. You can observe it in nature this selfishness and me me me mentality. It is something that people have to learn to out grow. Some people never out grow it. that is what is wicked and evil. not learning to overcome our innate sinful natures. Refusing to think of others and have compassion and love for them.

I can see in your words you have compassion for the world and your heart weeps for them. Mine does as well. The difference is that I still have faith that God will wipe away their tears and give them comfort and love. If He shows me and others how, then most who truly hear His voice will drop whatever they are doing and offer aid, because that is the type of heart God has placed in us. We no longer think of our needs first but that of those around us. We are so filled with the love of God that we just want to share it with the world. We weep with those who weep and we rejoice with those who rejoice, because that is what we see our Heavenly Father doing.Being a Christian is not a lifestyle but a relationship in which we walk with our Lord and Savior. It is having the Holy Spirit guide us every day to help any an all around us. It is not easy and we fall and make mistakes by doing and saying things we do not, but God corrects us and places in us a repentant and humble heart. We confess and God forgives us for our mistakes. I'm talking about saying something that makes people cry or lose faith. most of the wickedness of the world don't come to my mind unless I read it in the news and it breaks my heart when I hear of it. I don't understand why people would even want to hurt others in that manner and I know they are not listening to God's voice no matter how much they lie to themselves and others that they are. Perhaps they can quote from the Bible or another Holy Book but that is just words.

God is not a word or a book. He is a living breathing loving Father who touches and guides the lives of His children.

All we as Christians want is for you to acknowledge God and be reborned into His kingdom. We do not come to condemn you but to show you that sin entraps you and enslaves you and that Jesus has come to set you free if you but believe and accept the free gift of salvation and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

You can continue in the Law (of Karma or Moses for they are very similar) but if the Law could save then Jesus would not have had to die on the Cross. that is the Gospel message the Law can not save. in times past God allowed other religions but now that Jesus has shown the path that is no longer allowed.

Reread Acts about Paul's speech to Athens about the nature of the "unknown God" It tells you that now the Gospel must be preached and heard for salvation of the world. To break the bonds of darkness and lies that surround so many other religions and systems of beliefs, because the Law can not save or free you.

May God have grace and mercy upon you all. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
 
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18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
So. . .you think this verse is applicable universally to anyone in the world who is not a Christian? Paul's juxtaposition of "righteousness" and "wickedness" is here obviously from God's perspective - not man's. And he isn't talking about atheists, unless you feel as though ancient Rome was somehow rife with them at this point.

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Oh snap, that makes it seem as though we can learn about God by studying creation - you know, the creation that has billions of years of history built into it.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Gotta say that this sounds an awful lot like Paul is describing believers who convert to other religions than atheists.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Since atheists don't worship anything, I don't see how the specifics of this verse indicate it being directed at atheism.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Do atheists have a higher rate of homosexuality than Christians?

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
The thing is, sill waters, that statistically atheists are LESS likely to commit murder and, in my experience, are no more prone to all those other actions than are Christians. It's important to remember that Paul is writing to churches in Rome during a time in which many of these things were tolerated and even celebrated in certain circles and that he is not writing to you sitting in your living room in your 21st century western culture.

Want to actually witness to nonbelievers? Then show them Christ's love instead of trying to beat them over the head with your interpretations of the bible.




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Arguing about each other's religion is basically very stupid, needless, but probably also never ending. If you have had some experiences with God in your life, you can know that God excists. But you can never explain an atheist that God excist, but that is very understandable.

Christians see the wickedness of atheism. Nothing that suddenly expanded, it does sound strange. But I can also understand that atheists can see the wickedness of christians. Adoring a God who you have never seen, which has always been (that's equally strange as nothing suddenly expanding).

So it's just better to respect each other. Calling someone with other ideas 'wicked' only result into conflicts, not into harmony.
light has no fellowship with darkness. harmony is not the goal.

knowledge, repentance, and remission of sins and reconcilation with God is.

I will stand for my God.
 
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I also find it ironic that you failed to mention the very next chapter,

Rom. 2:1

"Therefore, anyone of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things."​

I don't know about you guys but I've had my times of faithlessness, I've stolen, I've lied, I've gossiped, I've envied, I've been greedy, and I've disobeyed my parents. I'm guilty of lots of things on that list and honestly so are pretty much all of you. So let's not all get up on our high horses just yet.




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I also find it ironic that you failed to mention the very next chapter,

Rom. 2:1

"Therefore, anyone of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things."​

I don't know about you guys but I've had my times of faithlessness, I've stolen, I've lied, I've gossiped, I've envied, I've been greedy, and I've disobeyed my parents. I'm guilty of lots of things on that list and honestly so are pretty much all of you. So let's not all get up on our high horses just yet.




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are you guilty of denying the existence and majesty and Love of God?

no one is on a high horse, that is a false image people like to place on Christians who try and live morally right lives or who speak out against sin and wickedness in the world.

no if you want to see an image of what a Christian should be you should imagine people on their hands and knees washing the feet of others, cleaning the sores of leprosy, hugging an orphan child, wiping the tears from a grieving widow.

no the point is not to say "we are better than you" but to say" we are all sinners in need of God"

I'm sorry if I offend any one with my words. my intent was to show those who think they are righteous that they are not, all fall short of the glory of God that is why Jesus was needed as savior.

with out confession and repentance of sin, why would anyone come to the cross and ask for God to heal and save them?

If they could do it alone, why would they need God?
 
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I also find it ironic that you failed to mention the very next chapter,

Rom. 2:1

"Therefore, anyone of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things."​

I don't know about you guys but I've had my times of faithlessness, I've stolen, I've lied, I've gossiped, I've envied, I've been greedy, and I've disobeyed my parents. I'm guilty of lots of things on that list and honestly so are pretty much all of you. So let's not all get up on our high horses just yet.




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Quoting the bible and offering Jesus isn't judging.