What do you think about works?
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He said he did not come to ABOLISH he came to fulfill
He fulfilled the law by
1. Not breaking even the slightest command. And comming under the curse
2. Taking the curse on our behalf. Because he who knew no sin became sin for us
3. As the sacrificial lamb on the day of atonement,t His blood was spilt. making atonement for us. That we a=who are guilty of the law. May be made the righteousness of Christ in him
once again, You just prove you do not understand the law
He fulfilled the law by
1. Not breaking even the slightest command. And comming under the curse
2. Taking the curse on our behalf. Because he who knew no sin became sin for us
3. As the sacrificial lamb on the day of atonement,t His blood was spilt. making atonement for us. That we a=who are guilty of the law. May be made the righteousness of Christ in him
once again, You just prove you do not understand the law
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This issue here in this thread is
Some reject the fact that true faith will produce true works.
They want to preach if you stop doing works you stop being a child of God. And even if you were adopted by him and made his son, You can be cast out and still go to hell if you do not work.
Its called legalism.
Some reject the fact that true faith will produce true works.
They want to preach if you stop doing works you stop being a child of God. And even if you were adopted by him and made his son, You can be cast out and still go to hell if you do not work.
Its called legalism.
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Blik, post: 4652400, member: 249025"]So to you I am incensed and you are alarmed. Oh My. Now you are attempting to keep the law? Then keep the "you" out of your posts and only speak of scripture.
I certainly didn't mean to pull your tail, I wish you could forget whatever it was and back off. I love discussions of scripture and to hear what you have to say about scripture, but the discussion with you becomes blaming "blik". I don't think that is discussing scripture.
you seem to have a short attention span. you are not able to actually reply to what is in a post, but garble it and spit out nonsense
let's take a closer look at what I said and how you responded to the words. my words in green and yours in quotes
especially the golden calf episode. ARE YOU KIDDING? read the OT prophets...
like I said...over and over and over and over and over zzzzzzzzzzzz
who is Jesus to you? is He the lawgiver or is He the spotless Lamb of God who died for our sins? you appear to be very confused on this issue and entrenched in that confusion so that you make up what others are saying
yet, you become incensed when others deny what you keep saying is the abandonment of all morality.
it is alarming that you appear to believe you can add to what Jesus accomplished on the cross on our behalf. it seems you wish to interject when Jesus says 'IT IS FINISHED'
you continually interrupt and say 'wait a minute Jesus...that sounds too easy....how about my attempts to keep the law?'
your respond with
it seems you wish to create the impression that I am saying what YOU actually are saying. if you do not like the way people respond when you make things up, then try not making things up. you do not use scripture because if you did you would not continually create threads about law keeping for those who are believers.
very classy. I know I don't have a tail...do you?
do you? then why do you twist what the scriptures state? the discussion when you create this type of thread, will always come back to you because your opinions do not equal scripture
I certainly didn't mean to pull your tail, I wish you could forget whatever it was and back off. I love discussions of scripture and to hear what you have to say about scripture, but the discussion with you becomes blaming "blik". I don't think that is discussing scripture.
you seem to have a short attention span. you are not able to actually reply to what is in a post, but garble it and spit out nonsense
let's take a closer look at what I said and how you responded to the words. my words in green and yours in quotes
especially the golden calf episode. ARE YOU KIDDING? read the OT prophets...
like I said...over and over and over and over and over zzzzzzzzzzzz
who is Jesus to you? is He the lawgiver or is He the spotless Lamb of God who died for our sins? you appear to be very confused on this issue and entrenched in that confusion so that you make up what others are saying
yet, you become incensed when others deny what you keep saying is the abandonment of all morality.
it is alarming that you appear to believe you can add to what Jesus accomplished on the cross on our behalf. it seems you wish to interject when Jesus says 'IT IS FINISHED'
you continually interrupt and say 'wait a minute Jesus...that sounds too easy....how about my attempts to keep the law?'
your respond with
it seems you wish to create the impression that I am saying what YOU actually are saying. if you do not like the way people respond when you make things up, then try not making things up. you do not use scripture because if you did you would not continually create threads about law keeping for those who are believers.
very classy. I know I don't have a tail...do you?
do you? then why do you twist what the scriptures state? the discussion when you create this type of thread, will always come back to you because your opinions do not equal scripture
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what Jesus did was compress the first 3 commandments to Love only GOD and the last 6 to Love your fellow man, they are held fast by the 4th, Sabbath keeping, which is the seal of GOD for his elect, the law's of GOD are to be integrated into our live's, so that we live the law rather than force it upon ourselves, the Law's are a buffer and a barrier, to safe guard an educate us from sinful transgression's, which they didn't have in the day's of Noah.
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It's scripture. Not hypocrisy. My,Our, hearts are open.
When we encounter those bent on altering the truth of God in Christ, we're to labor toward correction.
Which has been done and for some time.
However, when the issue isn't a matter of lacking right understanding, but examples a dedicated effort to communicate false doctrine and corrupt truth, we owe it to the truth to recognize that. And oppose its efforts in defense of the kingdom.
Furthermore and lastly, I took the time to review your post history. You may want to remember that exists when thinking to stand against the Saints in defense of one whose Exegetical profile is similar to your own.
When we encounter those bent on altering the truth of God in Christ, we're to labor toward correction.
Which has been done and for some time.
However, when the issue isn't a matter of lacking right understanding, but examples a dedicated effort to communicate false doctrine and corrupt truth, we owe it to the truth to recognize that. And oppose its efforts in defense of the kingdom.
Furthermore and lastly, I took the time to review your post history. You may want to remember that exists when thinking to stand against the Saints in defense of one whose Exegetical profile is similar to your own.
It is true that works do not produce salvation, but to be saved we must accept Christ in our hearts, we must have faith in all Christ is and tells us. Without this faith we cannot have salvation. If we have no faith in how Christ tells us to live our lives here on earth, our faith is not complete enough to be counted as faith.
our work's don't only involve going to church, reading the Bible, prayer or doing good to other's, the hardest work's are the work's on the self, which I might add, is where the Law's come to fruition in us,... we must continually protect ourselves from the covet's of the world, endure ridicule & resentment, usually from family and friend's, we must endeavour to remain selfless while assisting others, seeking no rewards or recognition.... yes, if your faith wavers and fades, you risk being cast out, for the work's that follow our walk with Christ are the work's that make us children of GOD , thankfully our father in heaven has made allowances, by Grace, for the moments we fall.
I read posts stating how God took back all God gave in the old covenant, but no one saying that it was our holy God who wrote that covenant. It was holy as all things of God is holy. God says it is obsolete, and obsolete does not mean that God decided it wasn't of Him, it wasn't holy. God cancelled what of it was of no use any longer, the new covenant of giving the law in our hearts replaced the law in stone. The law is holy, we still have the law, it is given to us in a different way. It means that a new covenant is better, God says so. It says that the new covenant makes things of the old useless to us. It does not condemn God for doing something ungodly.
because we are not Christ [T r u t h] it can be difficult to hear the truth [about many matters.... in various ways]. the more like T r u t h we become or truly have wanted to very much in the past or present...... the more God is able to reveal to us. "as a man thinketh, so he is"
"but grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ".
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stop playing the victim
you are no victim
you are rather an instigator of threads that create division and promote your opinions on the law and salvation
you might rather ask this question:
Does your Christianity that you live an act of taking over God's role as judge or as a child of the Lord?
of yourself. here again is part of your accusatory op, since you keep trying to change the narrative when someone points out your deflection
you are accusing posters on this site. plain and simple. and you have done this in thread after thread and no doubt you will continue
so again, you are no victim but are deflecting because again, it is pointed out that you are the one judging
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what is it God took back? the law is still in effect over those who reject Christ but it is no longer in effect over those who are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...Jesus Himself
God is holy indeed, but continuing to post as though you alone are also holy, is something you need to stop
if you believe the law is still binding on you, your problem is with God Himself and not one person in this forum
God is holy indeed, but continuing to post as though you alone are also holy, is something you need to stop
if you believe the law is still binding on you, your problem is with God Himself and not one person in this forum
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are you Catholic by any chance? you seem very concerned about laws and such
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
you forgot that Jesus came to FULFILL the law...all of it
in this manner, He did what mankind cannot do. He was perfect in all His ways and therefore never broke the law...something no human can ever attest to
about righteousness: Jesus is speaking to the religious leaders of His day. they believed themselves to be righteous because of their adherence to the law...an adherence so extreme they invented new laws which Jesus condemned
salvation is not an agreement. it is a transition from death to life
I'm not getting into it with you. I simply wanted to clarify what scripture actually states.
again, salvation is not some kind of 'agreement' the law, for believers, has been fulfilled. that, is in the Bible. period
I will refrain from responding to the usual accusations you like to hurl at people who try to show you where you went off the rails
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
you forgot that Jesus came to FULFILL the law...all of it
in this manner, He did what mankind cannot do. He was perfect in all His ways and therefore never broke the law...something no human can ever attest to
about righteousness: Jesus is speaking to the religious leaders of His day. they believed themselves to be righteous because of their adherence to the law...an adherence so extreme they invented new laws which Jesus condemned
salvation is not an agreement. it is a transition from death to life
I'm not getting into it with you. I simply wanted to clarify what scripture actually states.
again, salvation is not some kind of 'agreement' the law, for believers, has been fulfilled. that, is in the Bible. period
I will refrain from responding to the usual accusations you like to hurl at people who try to show you where you went off the rails
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