Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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The cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great

Genesis 18: 20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes: 28 peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty’s sake. 30 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty’s sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten’s sake.

They recently announced that they would release the results of the Maricopa audit on September 24th, and yet that date is after the date that they seem to feel fire and brimstone is going to rain down on the Earth. So let's think about what we have learned in the last year.

1. We learned that the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop but covered it up for a year. They let Trump get impeached even though they had the evidence to exonerate him. They also planned to kidnap Governor Whitmer and then blame that on Trump supporters and we know that the January 6th event was a false flag event used to again blame Trump supporters.

2. We also know there are no righteous men in the DOJ, there is a long list of things we could look at, releasing killers to kill again, justifying looters while putting people guilty of trespassing into solitary confinement, and the list goes on and on.

3. We have learned that this goes all the way through the politicians up to Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, and on and on. Yes, there might be two or three righteous men and women out of all of them but certainly not ten.

4. We have also learned that we could not find 5 righteous Supreme court justices, or two righteous appelate judges, etc. True, there was one or two righteous judges, but just enough to show the rest were wicked.

5. The same is true of the state legislators. You might argue that Arizona is the exception and yet Arizona has decided to release their results on the 24th. If we are right and that is after the fire and brimstone then it is just one more scam.

6. We know there are not ten righteous men in the NIH, CDC, or FDA. Maybe there is one here and another there, but we certainly couldn't find ten.

7. How about the Military? Certainly not among the top brass. The Afghanistan debacle seems planned and orchestrated, Milley's admission to advising the CCP behind Trump's back is treason, killing some aide worker and claiming you were taking out terrorists, everything is evidence of how corrupt and evil they are.

This event this week will be like Fire and Brimstone falling. The Lord sent two angels to determine if the cries they heard were true and we now know they are.

Not only will they abuse anyone trying to get the truth and righteousness, they will even abuse Lot's daughters. They pass laws so that men can use the women's bathroom and locker room and compete in women's sports. They teach CRT which is also abusive, racist, and evil.

They would bust down the door of the house and force everyone to get the shot if they could figure out where that door is.

Luke 17: 28 Likewise even as it came to pass in the days of Lot; they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.
 

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There were 345 earthquakes on September 16th! Typically you would get 50-55 earthquakes a day.
 

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There were 345 earthquakes on September 16th! Typically you would get 50-55 earthquakes a day.
There were 330 earthquakes on September 17th. Generally in two days you would get 100-110 earthquakes, we got 675! That is not climate change!
 

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Zechariah 5 The choice is yours, the Lord’s lampstand or this sinful woman in a basket.

1 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.

In the last chapter he woke up and saw what the Lord had built with the church. Now he looks again and sees this flying scroll.

2 He asked me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.”


This scroll indicates the word of God that was sealed up but is now revealed for all to see and the size of this scroll reminds us of the door to the Holy of Holies.

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”

The word of God is filled with both the blessings to those that keep the word and curses for those that despise the word. So we have seen Joshua and Zerubabbel building the temple and bringing in the kingdom to Jerusalem, now we see those who are the thieves and liars. On the one hand the word will supply oil to the ministries that bring in the kingship and priesthood, on the other hand the word will be a curse to those that bring in death and deceit.

I have heard other Christians argue that we should just wait till this passes and still others argue that it is not for Christians to speak a word against crooks and liars in the government. I have seen this while teaching, some kids will tell you that as the teacher your place is at the front of the room. I tell them I have been given dominion over the entire room and will move freely wherever I need to. In the same way I will speak God’s word regardless of where it goes and His word is not restricted to some small neat little corner of the room. His word is over all and all will be judged by that word.

The Woman in a Basket

5 Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what is appearing.” 6 I asked, “What is it?” He replied, “It is a basket.” And he added, “This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.” 7 Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8 He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed its lead cover down on it. 9 Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth. 10 “Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me. 11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”


The world will get a choice, they can choose this woman or they can choose the church which the Lord has built. Lead signifies sin, a woman in a sinful basket. She is from Babylon where a tower was built to God built with idols on every brick. It is like your typical advertisement for an automobile where they have to have an attractive woman next to the car to suggest that men who buy this car will be more attractive and have women drawn to them. This is Babylonian commerce in a nutshell. God has two women who fly like Storks take her to Babylon. Storks according to ancient rabbinical understanding fly real high. This isn’t just some ad in a newspaper or even a glossy magazine, no these are ads on the internet using Artificial Intelligence to target you and to manipulate you. Many people were upset that Trump “lost” the 2020 election, but they obviously were not familiar with this chapter. At the end of the age you will be given a choice, the Lampstand that God has built filled with oil, giving light to the whole world, or you can choose this sinful woman in a basket. Taking a woman in a lead covered basket to Babylon to help sell your junk, that is very reminiscent of human trafficking. It is stunning how many people have been linked to Epstein’s pedophile island, whether Clinton, or Bill Gates or Prince Andrew. When the Bible talks about whoredoms, prostitution and other heinous crimes these are not just allegorical, the Lord knows much more than we do of the depth of their depravity.

Anyway, returning to the 2020 election, we are getting a very clear choice. The evidence is mounting that those in power in the US got there through theft and deceit. They also were carried aloft by the tech giants using AI to control what people read and heard and to manipulate people. This sinful woman has been set on high and the choice is yours.

The corruption of the Earth is based on three events. The fall of man in Genesis 3, the mingling of fallen angels with mankind in Genesis 6 and Babylon, a worldly system in rebellion to God. Mount Hermon is thought to be the mountain where the transfiguration took place and also the mountain where these fallen angels came down to the Earth. When the rapture took place and the manchild was caught up the fallen angels were cast down. That is the first step in the Lord bringing in the kingdom on Earth as it is in heaven. In the first step we deal with the spiritual forces of the air. Then in the second step you see all those left behind discover the golden lampstand and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. As a result we see a very clear separation between the evil Babylonian worldly system and the Lord's move on Earth.
 

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When you watch this it is very clear, it isn't the sun, or the moon, or venus, or mars or Jupiter. Yet it is much larger in size than Jupiter appears to us, so that would indicate it must be much closer than Jupiter, also it is bigger and brighter than the moon appears so it must be much bigger than the moon.

So we have a really big object, much bigger than our moon, that is much closer than Jupiter to us and yet the official media is silent, NASA is silent, and no one can talk about it without being mocked and ridiculed. Why would they do that? The only reason I can see for that is they don't want to create a panic, and the only reason this would cause a panic is if there were a real and present threat to the Earth from it.

Now if there really were a real and present threat you would have expected them to do something. I mean you would expect Russia to build a 400 square mile underground city in the Ural mountains (which they did) or you would expect the US to build 130 cities/military bases underground in the US connected by MagLev trains (which they have done) or you would expect smaller countries like Finland to be encouraging the people to build back yard bunkers (which they have done) or you would expect them to be stocking up these underground bunkers causing short term shortages in the markets (which we are seeing in the UK) or maybe preparing for chaos by building internment camps (which they are doing in Australia).
 

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Zechariah 6 The four horses of the apocalypse in four stages

1 I looked up again, and there before me were four chariots coming out from between two mountains—mountains of bronze. 2 The first chariot had red horses, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, “What are these, my lord?” 5 The angel answered me, “These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south.” 7 When the powerful horses went out, they were straining to go throughout the earth. And he said, “Go throughout the earth!” So they went throughout the earth.
8 Then he called to me, “Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north.”

These chariots are the chariots of war. Zechariah is like a summary of the all the Bible prophecies, so you can see the Lord’s word here about wars and rumors of war as well as the prophecy from Revelation of the four horsemen. But there are some things here that we see that we don’t see elsewhere so let’s focus on that. The last hundred years have been numerous World Wars, it began with WWI, the red horse, and it was closely followed with the Black horse (the Spanish Flu) and this resulted in a new world order (white horse) where the US was the key superpower and Russia was also a nuclear power as well as other countries slowly joining that list. The impact of these wars resulted in God judging the land of the North where they had persecuted the people of God (Germany and Russia). By the time we get to the Gulf war we see a new world order with the US as the key superpower and all the other nations allied with them. That is the White horse. But then we see a speckled horse which is a composite of all three: war, plague and new world order. That is what we are seeing today.

One thing that really puzzled me is that these four horses always begin with the Red horse of war and yet Joel’s prophecy tells you that a global pandemic will be the sign that the Day of the Lord is at hand. However over the last sixteen months and particularly the last four months evidence has come out that the pandemic was an act of war from China. They weaponized the SARS virus which many Chinese already had immunity to. It also shows that the fourth horse is like a compacted version of the previous three, coming much faster and more furious than the first three.

This also helps us understand what is the goal here, why are all these things happening? The spirit of antichrist is trying to set up a one world government, this is the “new world order”. For thousands of years it was one nation against another but at the end of the age it will be the kingdom of Antichrist versus the Kingdom of God. These are the two mountains of bronze. WWI and WWII was fought between the East and the West with the chariots of war coming out of Germany in the middle.

Now today we see the same thing again with China and Russia being the East bringing war on the West (Europe -- Ukraine, Israel -- MidEast, Taiwan -- East, and in the US with cyberattacks, pandemic, open borders, and an attempt to steal the election, defund the police and take over the police with a national police force).

So let's consider these visions again, in the first one we see the Lord planning his attack on the Satanic worldly system just like an old western movie. You have the deplorables from town giving Him intelligence and you have the key people in high positions like Esther also there. Then we learn that just like the Old westerns we have four gunslingers coming to town. Then the Lord strikes against those who have plundered His bride and He rescues her so that she can escape. When He rescues her the whole world will then know that He was truly sent by God.

Who is this mighty one that is coming? He is the same one who wore those filthy robes of a common criminal who they crucified. Who are His people, they also did not despise the shame but went out to Him from the camp, bearing their own cross. They were slandered and attacked by Satan, God's good housekeeping seal of approval.

But not all believers are raptured, at this time those who were asleep wake up and they see the golden lampstand burning bright, filled with the oil of the Spirit, and they see the ministry of this Spirit. This sparks a time of great revival on the earth.

At this time you have to make a choice, you can choose to worship this sinful beast who puts women into lead pots. This is how they sell their corrupt kingdom, imprisoning people in sin. Or you can choose the word of the Lord, a flying scroll that is bringing in the Kingdom of the heavens to Earth and bringing judgement on the Babylonian system.

But unfortunately for Babylon the choice is obvious, everyone will choose the Lord unless they do something and so they opt for war. The Antichrist would prefer to make you a slave to sin, but if that fails then he is left with no other choice but war. At first we get the kingdom to the North, Russia, mounting an attack on Israel that is described in Ezekiel 38. This takes place at the beginning of the tribulation (a theory I subscribe to). Once God defeats them people will say "peace and security" and the Antichrist can then make the peace treaty with Israel that lasts for seven years.
 

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Hey, if you are going to keep quiet the stones will cry out.

 

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Zechariah 6:9-15 A Crown for Joshua

9 The word of the Lord came to me: 10 “Take silver and gold from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah and Jedaiah, who have arrived from Babylon. Go the same day to the house of Josiah son of Zephaniah. 11 Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jozadak. 12 Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord. 13 It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’ 14 The crown will be given to Heldai, Tobijah, Jedaiah and Hen son of Zephaniah as a memorial in the temple of the Lord. 15 Those who are far away will come and help to build the temple of the Lord, and you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you. This will happen if you diligently obey the Lord your God.”

So we have seen there are two kingdoms, that of AntiChrist and that of the Lord. At this point, with the four horsemen already released, with us already getting to the fourth horse, the speckled horse where all three are coming at once (war, plague and a new world order) then at this time we get a word: “take silver and gold from the exiles”. We the believers are pilgrims, exiles in a strange land. What is the word that has gone out at this very strange time? Take your money and give it to make crowns. We have people like Mike Lindell making new platforms for free speech. We are to stop giving money to the “cancel culture”, stop supporting those who are trying to cancel you like the Mainstream media. We have seen their ratings drop by 40% as people pull out. Instead the highest rated shows are people like Steve Bannon, the Daily Wire, Tucker Carlson. These people try to be inclusive but they are obviously Christians (or orthodox Jews). At this time in the history we will see the house that the Lord has built, the church, and it will be a glory to Him. We are about to see the Millenial kingdom where Jesus will be both Priest and King and where for once in human history these two will be in harmony. It refers to Jesus here as the branch and the Lord of righteousness, but then it gives us these other names which refer to “the dream” and “grace”. At the end of the age we will be like those who dreamed and we will be crowned with grace.

Right now give what you have to make a crown to put on the head of Jesus. The crown you make will be for a memorial, just as the two coins the poor widow cast into the treasury is a memorial to her.
 

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Constructive Criticism

There are many people who are examining the scriptures concerning the Lord's second coming. I think that is great.

What I love most about it is that the rapture is treated the same as the way the Sabbath was treated at the time of Jesus. It has been completely dominated by the traditions of men and it is treated like the third rail, if you touch it you die. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath and He is also the Lord of the rapture.

But what I don't like was perfectly summed up by my pastor this morning, he called them "futurologists". As Christians we should be focused on the present. When the Lord said that "this generation shall not pass away until everything is fulfilled" it leaves it as imminent. Since there is some abiguity as to which generation He is talking about that prophecy left his second coming as imminent throughout the entire church age.

The Lord said that when we return we need to be feeding His sheep at the proper time, in the proper season. In other words, we need a word for the moment. The vaccine mandate is a great example how many people are confused and need to know which way to go, I will focus on that next, but right now my point is that the study of the Lord's second coming should not be focused on "what day" but rather "what manner of time". What will that day be like? How will we be attacked, how should we respond.

In many respects the prophecies in the Bible are just like the scouting reports I would get when I played football. We were shown the formations our opponent would use, we were shown their favorite plays, we practiced against them and we were given a short list of things to watch out for. We never knew what play they were going to call at any given minute, rather we knew what plays they would run during the game and what to be ready for.

The second thing that is common to all who study the Bible is a carelessness or lack of "cutting straight the word of God". Let's take this verse "no one knows the day or the hour". Do you know which gospels that is in and which ones it isn't in? That is very important. There is a very strong case to be made that Luke is about the pre-tribulation rapture, Mark is about the Mid-tribulation rapture and Matthew is about Israel being rescued at the end of the tribulation. Luke doesn't have that expression "no one knows the day or the hour" it is only in Mark and Matthew. Therefore applying it to the pre-tribulation rapture is an example of not cutting straight the word of God. Then in Mark it doesn't seem to be about the rapture at all but rather the start of the seven year tribulation and in Matthew it is hard to say if it about the rapture or about the New Heaven and new Earth. So think about that, every time someone confidently told you "no one knows the day or the hour" regarding the pre-tribulation rapture they had no idea what they were talking about.

Now there are quite a few who have picked up on that, however, they have pointed out fairly that this phrase "no one knows the day or the hour" is a reference to the Feast of Trumpets. But then they apply it to the rapture, why? If you want to say that the seven year tribulation begins on the Feast of Trumpets that is fine, I think a very good case can be made for that claim, but why are you applying it to the pre-tribulation rapture? That is careless.

No, in Luke the Lord says it will be "at an hour you do not think" or "at an hour you do not know". This is quite different, everyone knows the seven feast days. To say it will happen when you do not know indicates to me that it will not be on a feast day. Also, I have shown many different prophecies that indicate it will be before the Tribulation, and even some that indicate it will be followed by a period of silence. Surely the period of silence is not "the feast of trumpets".
 

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What do you do about the vaccine mandate?

I know many people struggling with this because it has been mandated in NYC and they have to choose between the mandate or their job.

There are a couple of principles that I have learned in my Christian life.

First -- life and peace. If you are uneasy about getting the shot you should heed that feeling and pray about it. One way to test it out is to simply say "I am getting the shot" and head over to the clinic in an attitude of prayer and seeking the Lord. If you have the life and peace then fine, but if you are apprehensive, nervous, and have something inside trying to run away, that is a very clear indication you don't have the life and peace.

I chose to resign rather than get the shot. When I went into the school to sign papers and turn in my keys I was bubbling up with joy, I was greeting everyone, sharing with them the gospel, encouraging them, and just felt like I had a renewed bounce in my step. That was a confirmation of the life and peace.

Second -- Suppose you are totally confused, you don't have the life and peace to get the shot and you don't have the life and peace not to get the shot. Well, that is like being a flat tire. You need to pump yourself up with air, pneuma. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. I would recommend using a personal day or even a sick day to dive into the word and prayer. The word of God is a light unto my path. You need more word.

Third -- Suppose you got the shot and now feel you made a mistake. It seems "it is too late now". Baloney, that is just a lie from the Devil. Did you choose to worship the Beast when you got the shot? No, so relax, you did deny the Lord. The Lord can heal us, the Lord can protect us. There have been many times in my Christian life when I ignored the life and peace. Every time it cost me, but you pray over it and you become more sensitive to the Life and Peace.

Fourth -- can't I just find out what the pastor did and do that? No. The Lord said "my sheep hear my voice and they follow Me". The goal is that you can hear the Lord's voice and follow Him. I tell people that I recovered from Covid so I have natural immunity. In other words I made a personal decision, brought it to the Lord, and have the life and peace that I am one with Him.

Fifth -- What if I make a mistake. There are two kinds of mistakes that can be made here, someone can choose not to get the shot thinking they are being absolute for the Lord when in fact the Lord didn't tell them that, or someone can choose to get the shot thinking they have to keep their job when in fact the Lord didn't tell them to do that. I have seen new believers do the first mistake all the time, doing something thinking they are being absolute for the Lord when in fact they may not have gotten the Lord's speaking on that. This is a trivial mistake. I don't think the Lord has a big problem with the attitude, rather the adjustment will come in teaching you to listen more attentively to His speaking. However, the second type of mistake is not trivial, it borders on loving the world. Remember Lot's wife, she left Sodom but wasn't absolute about that decision.
 

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Gideon's Army

This morning in the assembly I was reminded of Gideon's army. It seems like the effect of this lockdown with Covid has caused the Lord's army to be significantly shrunk down.

7 Then Jerubbaal, who is Gideon, and all the people that were with him, rose up early, and encamped beside the spring of Harod: and the camp of Midian was on the north side of them, by the hill of Moreh, in the valley. 2 And Jehovah said unto Gideon, The people that are with thee are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hand, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me. 3 Now therefore proclaim in the ears of the people, saying, Whosoever is fearful and trembling, let him return and depart from mount Gilead. And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand.

A lot of people are using the whole "pandemic" as an excuse to stay home, they are "fearful". We need to see that this is of the Lord. The Lord is about to do a great victory and He doesn't want us to think we did it by our own hands.

4 And Jehovah said unto Gideon, The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, that of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go. 5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and Jehovah said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink. 6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, was three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water. 7 And Jehovah said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thy hand; and let all the people go every man unto his place. 8 So the people took victuals in their hand, and their trumpets; and he sent all the men of Israel every man unto his tent, but retained the three hundred men: and the camp of Midian was beneath him in the valley.

I noticed something very weird this morning. I work in the parking lot to make sure the cars park correctly. If I am not there people will take up two parking places, they will not maximize space, and you will get all kinds of problems when people try to leave after the meeting. However, I don't park the 8 am service because there are fewer cars and it isn't an issue. So I arrived this morning before the 8am service was over and everyone had parked correctly. If I were giving the parking lot a grade I would have given it a 95, almost perfect, but certainly making the honor roll. It was the first time I had ever seen that. Then as I was parking people I noticed not only do we have fewer cars, but the cars we do have are the ones most willing to take directions. There are some people that ignore you, are in too big a rush to worry, or who will take an attitude with anyone who tries to give them directions. They didn't show up this morning. If you lap water like a dog you don't have a big ego and you aren't afraid to get your hands dirty. They are lying flat with both hands in the mud. Why would you do that? You can pop up immediately in the case of an attack. The person who gets down on one knee might take his pack off first, wash his hands, spread out his stuff, and take up two or three parking places. It seems to me the Lord has reduced us down to 300 who don't have an ego, are here to fight, and don't mind getting our hands dirty.

9 And it came to pass the same night, that Jehovah said unto him, Arise, get thee down into the camp; for I have delivered it into thy hand. 10 But if thou fear to go down, go thou with Purah thy servant down to the camp: 11 and thou shalt hear what they say; and afterward shall thy hands be strengthened to go down into the camp. Then went he down with Purah his servant unto the outermost part of the armed men that were in the camp. 12 And the Midianites and the Amalekites and all the children of the east lay along in the valley like locusts for multitude; and their camels were without number, as the sand which is upon the sea-shore for multitude. 13 And when Gideon was come, behold, there was a man telling a dream unto his fellow; and he said, Behold, I dreamed a dream; and, lo, a cake of barley bread tumbled into the camp of Midian, and came unto the tent, and smote it so that it fell, and turned it upside down, so that the tent lay flat. 14 And his fellow answered and said, This is nothing else save the sword of Gideon the son of Joash, a man of Israel: into his hand God hath delivered Midian, and all the host.

This is an example of "predictive programming". The Midianites had heard the word about Gideon defeating them. There are many, many "dreams" in the movies, TV and music industry all predicting a huge victory by the Lord in judging Babylon and rapturing His saints. This should not be strange to us that they are having these dreams.

15 And it was so, when Gideon heard the telling of the dream, and the interpretation thereof, that he worshipped; and he returned into the camp of Israel, and said, Arise; for Jehovah hath delivered into your hand the host of Midian. 16 And he divided the three hundred men into three companies, and he put into the hands of all of them trumpets, and empty pitchers, with torches within the pitchers. 17 And he said unto them, Look on me, and do likewise: and, behold, when I come to the outermost part of the camp, it shall be that, as I do, so shall ye do. 18 When I blow the trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, For Jehovah and for Gideon.

There is a little deception going on here, they don't see the lights until all at once and when they do they are surrounded. Similar to the Lord's word that "sudden destruction comes upon them". In the night, in the dark with all the confusion. The Lord has been giving them nightmares to the point they are jumpy, edgy, and ready to attack anything that moves.

19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outermost part of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch, when they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake in pieces the pitchers that were in their hands. 20 And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the torches in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands wherewith to blow; and they cried, The sword of Jehovah and of Gideon. 21 And they stood every man in his place round about the camp; and all the host ran; and they shouted, and put them to flight. 22 And they blew the three hundred trumpets, and Jehovah set every man’s sword against his fellow, and against all the host; and the host fled as far as Beth-shittah toward Zererah, as far as the border of Abel-meholah, by Tabbath. 23 And the men of Israel were gathered together out of Naphtali, and out of Asher, and out of all Manasseh, and pursued after Midian.

24 And Gideon sent messengers throughout all the hill-country of Ephraim, saying, Come down against Midian, and take before them the waters, as far as Beth-barah, even the Jordan. So all the men of Ephraim were gathered together, and took the waters as far as Beth-barah, even the Jordan. 25 And they took the two princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb at the rock of Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at the winepress of Zeeb, and pursued Midian: and they brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon beyond the Jordan.

A couple of interesting things here. They had this light in an earthen vessel. If you put a torch into a pitcher it would go out because it would run out of oxygen. So that is weird. Second, who brings pottery to a battlefield, so that is weird. Finally, if you had a pitcher, why didn't you just fill that up at the river rather than put your hands in the mud and lap water like a dog?

However, this picture is beautiful picture of the rapture. At the time of the rapture we are completely outnumbered by the enemy, they want to turn us into slaves and despise us, and yet we are the ones taking the battle to them and not the other way around. And what is the rapture, this earthen vessel which is our body will fall away and our soul like a light will rise up and fill the sky. That rapture precedes a big victory in which Ephraim depicting the sleepy church that is left behind will be able to have a great revival.
 

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1Kings 18:20-40 let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel

20 So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel. 21 And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. 22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, am left a prophet of Jehovah; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under; and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under. 24 And call ye on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of Jehovah; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

Apparently there is a back story to this, the prophets of Baal had a gimmick that they did to deceive the people. They had built an altar in their temple where a man could go beneath the altar and light the fire from below. The Priest of Baal would call on Baal and then the fire would "miraculously" catch fire. So Elijah here is calling their bluff. In their worship their God will answer by fire so the challenge makes perfect sense. Today we have many prophets of Baal, we have Fauci, we have the mainstream media, we have the fact checkers on Facebook and Twitter, we have military intelligence, etc., etc. They lied to us about the pandemic, they lied to us about the Border, they lied to us about Afghanistan, they lied to us about a military strike that supposedly killed terrorists. They lied to us about the election. It seems in every way it is all the prophets of Baal do is lie and deceive the people.

25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped about the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud; for he is a god: either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is on a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening oblation; but there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

It is about time someone called their bluff. What happens when you call them on their lies? It blows up in their face. They ridiculed, mocked, and attacked anyone who tried to get an audit of the election, but the more terrified they became the clearer it was that they were hiding something. Joy Behar, one of the prophets of Baal, went ballistic on Nicki Minaj for saying people should pray and consider carefully before getting the vaccine and Nicki stood up for herself and called all of them on it, not just Joy. They cry, they scream, they cut themselves, they destroy their ratings. Biden was being mocked for his withdrawal and so desperately tried to do something decisive and wound up killing an aid worker and a bunch of kids. It is like everything they do winds up cutting themselves until the blood is gushing down. How easy it is to mock them. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Joy Behar, Chris Cuomo, Brian Stelter, these people are easy to mock and ridicule.

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me; and all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of Jehovah that was thrown down. 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of Jehovah came, saying, Israel shall be thy name. 32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of Jehovah; and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid it on the wood. And he said, Fill four jars with water, and pour it on the burnt-offering, and on the wood. 34 And he said, Do it the second time; and they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time; and they did it the third time. 35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. 36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening oblation, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, O Jehovah, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. 37 Hear me, O Jehovah, hear me, that this people may know that thou, Jehovah, art God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. 38 Then the fire of Jehovah fell, and consumed the burnt-offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, Jehovah, he is God; Jehovah, he is God. 40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them; and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

This reminds me of what we have seen concerning the Dragon casting the stars from its tail to Earth. It will be like fire falling from the sky for the whole earth to see. When the rapture takes place, and the judgement on Babylon which comes in an hour to burn her with fire, then the whole Earth will realize that the Lord He is God. That His word is true. This event will turn the people's hearts back to the Lord. Meanwhile it will be a bad day for the prophets of Baal.
 

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Ezekiel 7:1-18 So just how bad will it be?

1 Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, 2 And thou, son of man, thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto the land of Israel, An end: the end is come upon the four corners of the land. 3 Now is the end upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways; and I will bring upon thee all thine abominations. 4 And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity; but I will bring thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.

This word tells us a lot about "the manner of those days". First the judgement is on the entire land of Israel, the "four corners of the land". This is a historical judgement that reveals God's judgement on His apostate people. He is angry, He judges us according to our ways, we reap what we sow. He brings all our abominations back on our own heads. When the judgement comes there is no pity, no one is spared, so this tells me their were many warnings and many opportunities to receive mercy prior to this judgement because God is a God of mercy.

5 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: An evil, an only evil; behold, it cometh. 6 An end is come, the end is come; it awaketh against thee; behold, it cometh. 7 Thy doom is come unto thee, O inhabitant of the land: the time is come, the day is near, a day of tumult, and not of joyful shouting, upon the mountains. 8 Now will I shortly pour out my wrath upon thee, and accomplish mine anger against thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways; and I will bring upon thee all thine abominations. 9 And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will bring upon thee according to thy ways; and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I, Jehovah, do smite.

He says "behold it cometh" and "the end is come" and "doom is come". Five times He says it "comes unto thee". So then the "day of wrath" is coming and if we look we can behold it come. When it does come God will pour out His wrath like pouring boiling oil that is on fire onto the people. The description here is just like what we see with the Dragon, the Nibiru complex of Brown dwarf star, planets, moons, and debris. We are watching it as it comes and when it does hit us we expect burning hydrocarbons will be poured onto the earth as well as a meteor shower. Several times we are told "our abominations will be in the midst of thee". What does this refer to? I suspect it refers to our holding down the truth in unrighteousness. Often abominations refers to idol worship. Obama set up the Democratic convention where he accepted the nomination to look like the temple of Zeus, idol worship. Others have compared the house of Congress to a temple to Baal. What was Babylon but a tower built on idol worship. The US has become the great Babylon, filled with idol worship and all the other ills that associate idol worship. But when God's judgement comes we will discover that the people who are supposed to be there to protect us were simply protecting themselves, they were shepherds who only cared about themselves, hired hands who ran when they saw the wolves approaching.

10 Behold, the day, behold, it cometh: thy doom is gone forth; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded. 11 Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness; none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of their wealth: neither shall there be eminency among them. 12 The time is come, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn; for wrath is upon all the multitude thereof. 13 For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they be yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, none shall return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life.

I suspect throughout the last two thousand years this was true, however, we have the benefit of hindsight. By that I mean it is especially true today. Violence has risen up into a rod of wickedness to a degree never before seen. WWII with Stalin and Hitler was the previous record, but we are about to demolish that record. There is a comparison here to Aaron's budding rod where Aaron was chosen to be the high priest by this sign of the resurrection life. Here we have the antithesis of this, we have Antichrist and his rod of wickedness buds. It is a big confusing heap of collapse. Violence rises up and it blossoms and buds in the "rod of wickedness". This rod indicates authority and "the rod of wickedness" is a clear reference to the authority of the Antichrist budding and blossoming. It will be bad, real bad. It seems no one will care any longer about all those things they bought or sold. Imagine you bought a boat but it was destroyed in this calamity. Normally you would sue and the insurance company would reimburse you. But as a result of this calamity the insurance company is gone, the company that sold you the boat is gone, and any hope of going to a court is gone. But what about those who sold, why don't they care about getting their money? Think about Germany during hyper inflation, the money is worthless. If a million dollars is worth what twenty dollars is worth today, no one is going to care about $50,000 that is owed them in some former transaction. Think about it, who would go to court over $1?

14 They have blown the trumpet, and have made all ready; but none goeth to the battle; for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof. 15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.

More insight into the manner of those days. We are caught between a rock and a hard place. There is a "sword" and there is pestilence and famine. Very often when I describe this coming meteor shower and the level of destruction people will ask if it is "the end of the world". That is such a vague and misleading term. Obviously it is not going to kill all people otherwise saying that the city will be filled with pestilence and famine wouldn't make sense. However, all of the infrastructure will be destroyed which will lead to famine and pestilence. Once the power goes out we lose running water. At first it still works because gravity is bringing it from the water towers to you. But once the water stops running then you will have pestilence. Without electricity the trucks will not be able to pump gas and so they will stop running and the trains will also stop running. That will result in famine. Now you can flee to the country and sure enough you can avoid the pestilence and the famine. However, there will be roving gangs with guns like Mad Max.

16 But those of them that escape shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them moaning, every one in his iniquity.

This also reveals something, what iniquity? Did they reject the gospel? Did they mock those talking about the rapture and then when they are raptured realize they have been left behind "in their iniquity"?

17 All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water. 18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.

They mocked the Lord, they said the Bible was mythology, they said it was out of date, they were too smart, too sophisticated for that stuff. So shame will be on all their faces. They are realizing they are going through the tribulation and all that that means, they must know enough of the Bible so that "horror shall cover them". Being weak and feeble is in contrast to how proud and arrogant they had been. Clothed in sackcloth is evidence of their repentance.
 

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Ezekiel 7:20-27 Waking up to learn that gold and silver cannot save

19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be as an unclean thing; their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels; because it hath been the stumblingblock of their iniquity. 20 As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty; but they made the images of their abominations and their detestable things therein: therefore have I made it unto them as an unclean thing. 21 And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall profane it. 22 My face will I turn also from them, and they shall profane my secret place; and robbers shall enter into it, and profane it.

There is a contrast here. God has a treasure and these idolaters have a treasure. The treasure of the idolaters has become something detestable. Imagine you were a thief involved in a huge heist that involved murder. However, the plunder from that crime will convict you and get you executed. You have no choice but to cast it out as garbage, get as far from it as possible hoping that detestable thing is not linked to you. Meanwhile the rapture was like a thief in the night where the Lord took His treasure, the beauty of His ornament which He set in majesty. When the sleeping church wakes up they realize that it was this detestable thing that kept them from the rapture and that the only way of salvation is with the Lord Jesus.

23 Make the chain; for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence. 24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the nations, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pride of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be profaned. 25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none. 26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumor shall be upon rumor; and they shall seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the elders. 27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.


Today, like no other time in our history the US is filled with bloody crimes and the city is full of violence. The evidence is in that the "pandemic" was a "plandemic". It was designed in a bioweapons lab and the people we trusted to give us advice on how to stay healthy were instead giving advice on how to keep effective medicine from us while maximizing the number who died and the impact on our economy. God is going to humble them. Look on the earth today, who are the "strong" they will be humbled.