Could America be the earth beast of Revelation 13:...?

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I see most of the posts are about the United States. I havent gone through more than three posts that have not mentioned America or discusses the United States. Okay its an undebatable fact that the United States is a great country. Computer Science, Space Science, great Economy and they are better than the rest of the world combined at almost everything but as a Christian you need to learn that your obsession should be Jesus Christ, you should obsess over the fact that he rose from the dead for your sins and ascended to the Father.
The bible clearly states that "Those who love this world(those who love the things of this world, America included) are enemies of the Father". James 4:4

A Good Christian understands that the things of this world are passing and needs to focus his energy on what is above...
Another verse tells us not to be so obsessed with the things of this world,
"Focus on the things of above and not the things of this world." Colossians 3:2
The united States in fact could be the Beast from the Earth spoken in Revelation that will cause all to receive the satanic mark on their hands and foreheads.
Proof(America is the beast from the Earth)
1. No other power has had such a massive impact on the cultural, economic and political ways of the world like America.

You see facebook starts in America and the rest of the world follows.
You see whatsapp starts in America and the rest of the world follows
If the Beast of the earth causes everyone to receive a mark, that has to be the United States because its the only country that is capable of pulling the strings on the global stage to make people suffer if they dont meet their demands..

2. The Sun god worship obelisks in front of the white house and the Vatican suggest a close working relationship. One being the beast from the sea and the other one being the beast from the earth, who is not surprised of this?

3. The earth beast causing fire to come from heaven
this is what John wrote when he saw a vision of the atomic being dropped on Japan.
4. The earth beast performs signs and wonders before the sea beast
The united states going to the moon is a sign and a wonder, The bible did not specify that the wonder has to be divine. All these scientific breakthroughs America is making before the papacy is just to get the world ready
5. The earth beast has two horns of a lamb but spoke like a dragon
The united states speaking like a dragon. How does a dragon speak?By pouring out fire from its mouth, alludes to the fires america makes by bombing other countries like vietnam or japan.
Two horns like those of a lamb, means this country had a christian root but became evil(dragon like) with time...

Its time to stop obsessing over the USA, its been judged and its time is nearing an end.
Obsess over the new everlasting kingdom yet to be established by Christ.
 

Magenta

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Obsession is probably not the right/best word to use...

Probably more like, let Christ be your focus :)
 
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Obsession is probably not the right/best word to use...

Probably more like, let Christ be your focus :)
Its the right word to use because why are people all over the United States when its just gonna go down like Rome, Greece et cetera
 

Ahwatukee

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I see most of the posts are about the United States. I havent gone through more than three posts that have not mentioned America or discusses the United States. Okay its an undebatable fact that the United States is a great country. Computer Science, Space Science, great Economy and they are better than the rest of the world combined at almost everything but as a Christian you need to learn that your obsession should be Jesus Christ, you should obsess over the fact that he rose from the dead for your sins and ascended to the Father.
The bible clearly states that "Those who love this world(those who love the things of this world, America included) are enemies of the Father". James 4:4

A Good Christian understands that the things of this world are passing and needs to focus his energy on what is above...
Another verse tells us not to be so obsessed with the things of this world,
"Focus on the things of above and not the things of this world." Colossians 3:2
The united States in fact could be the Beast from the Earth spoken in Revelation that will cause all to receive the satanic mark on their hands and foreheads.
Good day, TimothyGodIsLove,

Both the first and second beasts are literal men. In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul refers to the first beast (antichrist) as "the man of lawlessness." In Revelation 16:13 and 19:20, the second beast is referred to as the false prophet. When the Lord returns to the earth, both the first beast/antichrist and the second beast/false prophet will be captured and thrown ALIVE into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). The fact that the scripture uses the word "alive," would also demonstrate that they are literal men.


Proof(America is the beast from the Earth)
1. No other power has had such a massive impact on the cultural, economic and political ways of the world like America.
You see facebook starts in America and the rest of the world follows.
You see whatsapp starts in America and the rest of the world follows
If the Beast of the earth causes everyone to receive a mark, that has to be the United States because its the only country that is capable of pulling the strings on the global stage to make people suffer if they don't meet their demands..
First of all, Sweden is way ahead of the United States and other countries in that, their people are already having RFID chips inserted under the skin between their index fingers and thumb. And they are currently using this technology to make purchases such as their train tickets.

And second, the mark will replace all other methods of buying and selling, which, to put it into perspective for these last day, is the digital crediting and debiting of one's bank account. Around the middle of the seven years, the only method of buying and selling will be via that device/mark. That said, neither the beast nor any government is going to have to force anyone to receive it because it will be the only way for anyone to credit or debit their bank accounts. Simply put, without the mark no one will be able to buy food, pay their mortgages/rents, buy gas, or anything at all. Receiving or not receiving the mark/device, will be an individual decision. Those saints during the great tribulation, will anticipate that coming mark and will be prepared for it, not receiving it because they belong to God and to Christ and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. As it is said of them, they will not love their lives so much as to shrink away from death. Below are secular videos of the mark of the beast technology:

I Put A Payment Chip In My Hand To Replace My Wallet - Bing video

Why human microchipping is so popular in Sweden | ITV News - Bing video
 
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Good day, TimothyGodIsLove,

Both the first and second beasts are literal men. In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul refers to the first beast (antichrist) as "the man of lawlessness." In Revelation 16:13 and 19:20, the second beast is referred to as the false prophet. When the Lord returns to the earth, both the first beast/antichrist and the second beast/false prophet will be captured and thrown ALIVE into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). The fact that the scripture uses the word "alive," would also demonstrate that they are literal men.




First of all, Sweden is way ahead of the United States and other countries in that, their people are already having RFID chips inserted under the skin between their index fingers and thumb. And they are currently using this technology to make purchases such as their train tickets.

And second, the mark will replace a7ll other methods of buying and selling, which, to put it into perspective for these last day, is the digital crediting and debiting of one's bank account. Around the middle of the seven years, the only method of buying and selling will be via that device/mark. That said, neither the beast nor any government is going to have to force anyone to receive it because it will be the only way for anyone to credit or debit their bank accounts. Simply put, without the mark no one will be able to buy food, pay their mortgages/rents, buy gas, or anything at all. Receiving or not receiving the mark/device, will be an individual decision. Those saints during the great tribulation, will anticipate that coming mark and will be prepared for it, not receiving it because they belong to God and to Christ and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. As it is said of them, they will not love their lives so much as to shrink away from death. Below are secular videos of the mark of the beast technology:

I Put A Payment Chip In My Hand To Replace My Wallet - Bing video

Why human microchipping is so popular in Sweden | ITV News - Bing video
Good Evening Ahwatukee
Did you know that a beast in Biblical prophecy represents a government or an empire, read the book of Daniel and see that the Ram Which is a beast represented the Persian empire. Greece which is also an empire represented by the goat.
So from this we know that a beast needs to be a an empire or a governmemt or a systemic entity just like the sea beast.
You do know that the sea beast is a church institution right? Then you must agree that the earth beast is also an jnstitution. The antichrist can be a leader who calls the shots in behalf of the earth beast for people to have the mark of the beast...
 

Ahwatukee

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Good Evening Ahwatukee
Did you know that a beast in Biblical prophecy represents a government or an empire, read the book of Daniel and see that the Ram Which is a beast represented the Persian empire. Greece which is also an empire represented by the goat.
So from this we know that a beast needs to be a an empire or a government or a systemic entity just like the sea beast.
You do know that the sea beast is a church institution right? Then you must agree that the earth beast is also an jnstitution. The antichrist can be a leader who calls the shots in behalf of the earth beast for people to have the mark of the beast...
Hi Timothy,

The beast represents not only a government, but an individual as well. That is why I pointed out that when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the beast and the false prophet captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Paul referred to the beast/antichrist as the man of lawlessness. As further proof that the beast is also an individual, the 5th bowl is poured out upon the beasts kingdom, plunging it into spiritual darkness. So, it is mentioning the beast as an individual and his kingdom in the same context.

To be clear, the beast should not be restricted to just referring to a government, but also represents the ruler of that one world government. Paul also mentions this beast/antichrist/man of lawlessness standing in the Jewish temple proclaiming himself to be God, which also supports the fact that he is an individual.

First beast = man of lawlessness, antichrist (empowered by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss)

Second beast = The false prophet (causes the people of the earth to make that image and to receive the mark)

Two separate individuals both thrown alive into the lake of fire.
 
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Hi Timothy,

The beast represents not only a government, but an individual as well. That is why I pointed out that when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the beast and the false prophet captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Paul referred to the beast/antichrist as the man of lawlessness. As further proof that the beast is also an individual, the 5th bowl is poured out upon the beasts kingdom, plunging it into spiritual darkness. So, it is mentioning the beast as an individual and his kingdom in the same context.

To be clear, the beast should not be restricted to just referring to a government, but also represents the ruler of that one world government. Paul also mentions this beast/antichrist/man of lawlessness standing in the Jewish temple proclaiming himself to be God, which also supports the fact that he is an individual.

First beast = man of lawlessness, antichrist (empowered by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss)

Second beast = The false prophet (causes the people of the earth to make that image and to receive the mark)

Two separate individuals both thrown alive into the lake of fire.
That is also a possibility that cannot be ruled out, it even makes more sense than all these theories on the internet claiming that the USA is the earth beast. The earth beast coming up out if the earth means? Because the sea beast came out of the sea which means it came up out of the world, so the sea beast is also an individual? But why would the angel tell John that the beast seats on seven mountains? Why would the angel tell John that the sea beast is colored in purple and scarlet? Why would the angel tell John that the sea beast rules over the great kings of the earth?
Because all of the above just mean that the sea beast is an institution led by the false prophet.
That is why I insisited Antichrist is the leader of the Earth Beast organization...
The false proohet is the leader of the Sea Beast organization
 
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I see most of the posts are about the United States. I havent gone through more than three posts that have not mentioned America or discusses the United States. Okay its an undebatable fact that the United States is a great country. Computer Science, Space Science, great Economy and they are better than the rest of the world combined at almost everything but as a Christian you need to learn that your obsession should be Jesus Christ, you should obsess over the fact that he rose from the dead for your sins and ascended to the Father.
The bible clearly states that "Those who love this world(those who love the things of this world, America included) are enemies of the Father". James 4:4

A Good Christian understands that the things of this world are passing and needs to focus his energy on what is above...
Another verse tells us not to be so obsessed with the things of this world,
"Focus on the things of above and not the things of this world." Colossians 3:2
The united States in fact could be the Beast from the Earth spoken in Revelation that will cause all to receive the satanic mark on their hands and foreheads.
Proof(America is the beast from the Earth)
1. No other power has had such a massive impact on the cultural, economic and political ways of the world like America.

You see facebook starts in America and the rest of the world follows.
You see whatsapp starts in America and the rest of the world follows
If the Beast of the earth causes everyone to receive a mark, that has to be the United States because its the only country that is capable of pulling the strings on the global stage to make people suffer if they dont meet their demands..

2. The Sun god worship obelisks in front of the white house and the Vatican suggest a close working relationship. One being the beast from the sea and the other one being the beast from the earth, who is not surprised of this?

3. The earth beast causing fire to come from heaven
this is what John wrote when he saw a vision of the atomic being dropped on Japan.
4. The earth beast performs signs and wonders before the sea beast
The united states going to the moon is a sign and a wonder, The bible did not specify that the wonder has to be divine. All these scientific breakthroughs America is making before the papacy is just to get the world ready
5. The earth beast has two horns of a lamb but spoke like a dragon
The united states speaking like a dragon. How does a dragon speak?By pouring out fire from its mouth, alludes to the fires america makes by bombing other countries like vietnam or japan.
Two horns like those of a lamb, means this country had a christian root but became evil(dragon like) with time...

Its time to stop obsessing over the USA, its been judged and its time is nearing an end.
Obsess over the new everlasting kingdom yet to be established by Christ.
At the moment, I am thinking the first Beast of Revelation is the evil world order that is falling. Everywhere, citizens are demanding the corrupted, wicked, Satanic pedophiles in government, the media, the judiciary and law enforcement be held to account and punished. I believe the government that replaces it will look like a lamb, but speak like a dragon. Trump looks like a good guy, and has done some good things, and I am hoping that he will turn things around in the US, where it should follow for the rest of the world. But we should listen to what this New World Government says, because I have a suspicion that it will speak like a dragon. If so, I would theorise that it is the second beast of Revelation.
 

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the earths beasts is when nature goes bad,,,it can happen anyhere in the world or to anyone person.. so its not a whole nation of people but one person could lead a nation to riches or ruin under the right or wrong control...
 
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That is also a possibility that cannot be ruled out, it even makes more sense than all these theories on the internet claiming that the USA is the earth beast. The earth beast coming up out if the earth means? Because the sea beast came out of the sea which means it came up out of the world, so the sea beast is also an individual? But why would the angel tell John that the beast seats on seven mountains? Why would the angel tell John that the sea beast is colored in purple and scarlet? Why would the angel tell John that the sea beast rules over the great kings of the earth?
Because all of the above just mean that the sea beast is an institution led by the false prophet.
That is why I insisited Antichrist is the leader of the Earth Beast organization...
The false proohet is the leader of the Sea Beast organization
Hi Timothy. Interesting question in specifically which church is the bishops and cardinals dressed in purple and scarlet?
 

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paying bills isnt buying or selling though is it...really
and renting isnt buying a home.. that money doesnt actually go toward buying the house does it.

like for example...you might have had in the past to pay for each phone call. But now you can pretty much call anyone for free online.
or say, you might have bought books in the past, but now you just borrow them from the library, or swap them instead of selling them.

Maybe everything will be made free in the future and the only people that want to buy and sell are the greedy guts trying to make a buck. If so, mark of the beast wearers will just get whats coming to them.
 

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the only thing I can think of that would make the beast america (are you talkin bout the entire continent, North AND South, or just the USA part?)

is that fire coming down from heaven part, but then the only time I ever saw that was 9/11 in NYC, though it was transmitted by tv all over the world...however, there have been some dictators of other nations that really were kind of worshipped, but if you didnt like them I supoose you were killed, which was what Hitler did with the jews.

Plus he made them wear the hexagram and got numbers tatooed on them in the concentration camps.

so maybe it already happened. Maybe Revelation just happens over and over if we dont learn from history.

This links seems to argue that the word 'on' is mistranslated as 'in' in the kjv and instead of a chip the mark will be a tattoo. I am not sure what the correct translation is..though the 144,000 also have the Name of the Father written 'in' their foreheads, so if the chip people are correect maybe EVERYONE just gets a chip with tiny letters on it.

or maybe 'mark' is wrong and its really short for 'marker' because what else would you use to write on peoples foreheads?? https://www.zionismexposed.com/the-mark-of-the-beast/
 
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Hi Timothy. Interesting question in specifically which church is the bishops and cardinals dressed in purple and scarlet?
really dont want to mention the denomination out of respect for the many kind, loving and righteous members of the Roman Catholic Church whom God will judge like a righteous judge and reward accordingly. Some catholics will see God and some protestants will go to hell, truth hurts.
 
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Hi Timothy. Interesting question in specifically which church is the bishops and cardinals dressed in purple and scarlet?
That is why i fear the Holy Spirirt, John wrote these 2000 years ago before even the RCC was founded and its a living fullfillment of this prophecy, praise God. The mark of the beast will come and it will come like a thief, let's wait after the UN fails to establish everlasting peace, he will rise out of the ashes and promise peace and then will strike like a vicicious snake and implement the policies of the power behind his manifestation and successes, all of which are short lived.