Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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I understand that. And by the same token if an "of" was intended, "of" [Greek ἐκ] "would be there".
You hang your hat on an "of" being in the verse to conclude that the believer has no faith.
However, the verse you use to support your assertion does not contain the vital "of" [Greek ἐκ] which is needed in order to support your conclusion.
You hang your hat on an "of" being in the verse to conclude that the believer has no faith.
However, the verse you use to support your assertion does not contain the vital "of" [Greek ἐκ] which is needed in order to support your conclusion.
From Matthew Henry's Commentary (bold mine):
(1.) "Thou holdest fast my name; thou art not ashamed of thy relation to me, but accountest it thine honour that my name is named on thee, that, as the wife bears the name of the husband, so thou art called by my name; this thou holdest fast, as thine honour and privilege."
(2.) "That which has made thee thus faithful is the grace of faith: thou hast not denied the great doctrines of the gospel, nor departed from the Christian faith, and by that means thou hast been kept faithful." Our faith will have a great influence upon our faithfulness. Men who deny the faith of Christ may boast very much of their sincerity, and faithfulness to God and conscience; but it has been seldom known that those who let go the true faith retained their fidelity; usually on that rock on which men make shipwreck of their faith they make shipwreck of a good conscience too. And here our blessed Lord aggrandizes the fidelity of this church from the circumstance of the times, as well as of the place where they lived: they had been stedfast even in those days wherein Antipas his faithful martyr was slain among them. Who this person was, and whether there be anything mysterious in his name, we have no certain account. He was a faithful disciple of Christ, he suffered martyrdom for it, and sealed his faith and fidelity with his blood in the place where Satan dwelt; and though the rest of the believers there knew this, and saw it, yet they were not discouraged nor drawn away from their stedfastness: this is mentioned as an addition to their honour.
To work for food is to read the Bible, and through the Holy Spirit, find His Gospel.
Only those God has chosen can come to correct understanding.
Natural man are the unsaved
[1Co 2:5-6, 12,13-14 KJV]
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: ...
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God., because they are spiritually discerned.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
Only those God has chosen can come to correct understanding.
Natural man are the unsaved
[1Co 2:5-6, 12,13-14 KJV]
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: ...
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God., because they are spiritually discerned.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
I don't agree. I provided several examples (and there are many more available) that clearly demonstrate the use of the
same type of word structure such that they could not be interpreted it as "in"
"faith Christ" can mean only one of two things: faith of Christ or faith in Christ - a faith that was within Christ Himself.
If God intended " in Christ" He would have included it as He did further into the verse. "faith Christ" can only mean faith of Christ. To use "in Christ" in that context would render the verse non-sensical, or it would have to be twisted into something that would in no way represent or resemble the fundamental verse structure. Great liberty would have to be taken with the verse to get it to make sense with "in" there
What do you think is meant by these verses? I think they're quite a bit to "hang my hat on". Please, read them closely.
[Heb 2:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Christ's faithfulness made reconciliation for sin. This is in compete accord with the use of "of Christ" in Gal 2:16
[Heb 3:2 KJV]
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses [was faithful] in all his house.
[Heb
10:23 KJV]
23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
[Rev 2:13 KJV]
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
One of Christ's names is Faithful and True
[Rev 19:11 KJV]
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
same type of word structure such that they could not be interpreted it as "in"
"faith Christ" can mean only one of two things: faith of Christ or faith in Christ - a faith that was within Christ Himself.
If God intended " in Christ" He would have included it as He did further into the verse. "faith Christ" can only mean faith of Christ. To use "in Christ" in that context would render the verse non-sensical, or it would have to be twisted into something that would in no way represent or resemble the fundamental verse structure. Great liberty would have to be taken with the verse to get it to make sense with "in" there
What do you think is meant by these verses? I think they're quite a bit to "hang my hat on". Please, read them closely.
[Heb 2:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Christ's faithfulness made reconciliation for sin. This is in compete accord with the use of "of Christ" in Gal 2:16
[Heb 3:2 KJV]
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses [was faithful] in all his house.
[Heb
10:23 KJV]
23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
[Rev 2:13 KJV]
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
One of Christ's names is Faithful and True
[Rev 19:11 KJV]
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
No, I don't think being notified is necessarily the same as knowing. For the Elect it is, or will become so. For "natural man", the non-Elect, not
[1Co 2:12 KJV] 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
[1Co 2:12 KJV] 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Faith has been given to every person, we misplace it in the wrong things all the time. Faith is the noun Belief is the action.
we are saved by Grace, not selective, Grace that cannot be earned. The Holy Spirit is calling every day and many reject HIM too.
Is it a waste to say the Holy Spirit is calling those who HE knows will not answer? No. Is it A WASTE to pray for those who are to be saved when God already knows if they will or not? No.
WE are still sent, we are to still pray, we are to still preach, and we are to still live all that while not in the knowing Who God is going to save today. But you are to examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith why? You are to judge yourself why? You are to obey why?
it is simple. One who says they are saved yet will not pray, will not testify, will not obey is not saved.
we are saved by Grace, not selective, Grace that cannot be earned. The Holy Spirit is calling every day and many reject HIM too.
Is it a waste to say the Holy Spirit is calling those who HE knows will not answer? No. Is it A WASTE to pray for those who are to be saved when God already knows if they will or not? No.
WE are still sent, we are to still pray, we are to still preach, and we are to still live all that while not in the knowing Who God is going to save today. But you are to examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith why? You are to judge yourself why? You are to obey why?
it is simple. One who says they are saved yet will not pray, will not testify, will not obey is not saved.
Hi!
(Rom 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Rom 1:17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(Rom 1:19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The Gentiles were given, "Law of Nature", nature to know ^^^
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Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The Jews were given the oracles of Yahweh, to know
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Mankind was given the ablitiy to know,
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
God Bless!!!
(Rom 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Rom 1:17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(Rom 1:19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The Gentiles were given, "Law of Nature", nature to know ^^^
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Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The Jews were given the oracles of Yahweh, to know
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Mankind was given the ablitiy to know,
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
God Bless!!!
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