Fear and Religion.

[Hann57]

2Ti_1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Do you know that Christ died for our sins?

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

For you to be saved you MUST believe this gospel Paul received from Christ


Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

We are in perilous times right now.

Do not wait on men to sort this mess out.

Where you spend eternity depends on you putting your faith in what Christ has done for you.

Don't gamble on your eternal destination.


2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you know Isaiah preached the death and resurrection of Christ 700 years before his birth ? And that Paul said nothing but what the prophets had said all along ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and we have to come into and walk in the light as well as believing the death and resurrection ?

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭

and are you aware that Peter preached the same things before Paul was ever converted to Christianity ?

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:22-24, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and that Jesus preached of his own death for sins and resurrection also before it happened ? When you become aware that Paul is a minister of the same things and just an equal apostle and servant of Jesus Christ it opens up a world of understanding . Especially when you realize it was always preached even beforehand

“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to hear the shepherds voice to be his sheep that follow him

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is wonderful but his epistles and quotes are no substitute for the gospel of the kingdom which includes his death and resurrection

 

[ResidentAlien]

Paul is wonderful but his epistles and quotes are no substitute for the gospel of the kingdom which includes his death and resurrection

Paul's epistles are just as important and meaningful as the gospel accounts. Paul was appointed by Jesus Himself as His apostle and was entrusted to write the Pauline epistles. I'm not saying Paul's as great as Christ, I'm just saying his epistles are just as important as the gospels in conveying the overall message Jesus wanted conveyed, especially details about church structure.

 

[Gardenias]

It is the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ,God's only son who was slain for our sins as fufulment of the law, was buried and rose again after 3 days in hell, preaching to those enslaved there and whom through his resurrection sits at the right-hand of God .Making intercession for us who have sinned and deserve the penalty of death,who procured OUR salvation himself! JESUS CHRIST!!


NO MATTER WHO CARRIES OR PREACHES HIS GOSPEL,THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST !!!!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Paul's epistles are just as important and meaningful as the gospel accounts. Paul was appointed by Jesus Himself as His apostle and was entrusted to write the Pauline epistles. I'm not saying Paul's as great as Christ, I'm just saying his epistles are just as important as the gospels in conveying the overall message Jesus wanted conveyed, especially details about church structure.

yeah Paul’s a part of it just as valuable as Peter , John , James bit no epistle replaces the gospel . The thing is Paul and the apostles preached the gospel for years and years this gospel

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the witness to everyone and what the apostles all preached

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭

They preached the gospel , the epistles were written to the churches that had heard and believed the gospel to help them in certain areas and points

my point isn’t that Paul’s not important of course he is my point is no apostles epistle replaces the gospel of the kingdom that they all
Preached and then wrote down four accounts of the epistles are companions to the gospel to help us further understand some things that are hidden in the gospel

so I agree Paul’s as important as any apostle they all go Together to make a clear message that accompanies the gospel d helps and encourages us and helps us focus on repenting and our sins being remitted .

the epistles don’t replace the gospel they go with it we’re meant to hear the gospel and epistles as well as prophets and the rest

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It is the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ,God's only son who was slain for our sins as fufulment of the law, was buried and rose again after 3 days in hell, preaching to those enslaved there and whom through his resurrection sits at the right-hand of God .Making intercession for us who have sinned and deserve the penalty of death,who procured OUR salvation himself! JESUS CHRIST!!


NO MATTER WHO CARRIES OR PREACHES HIS GOSPEL,THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST !!!!!

the gospel according to Matthew

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gospel according to mark

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel according to Luke ( one of
Pauls Companions in ministry )

“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Gospel according to John

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is the account of Jesus Christ’s life from birth to resurrection and ascention all His life recorded in the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom he preached

the epistle of the apostle Paul to the Romans

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The epistle of Peter to the church

“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭

the gospel is accounted for and then the epistles are accounted for that speak of things from the gospel

 

[Hann57]

Do you know Isaiah preached the death and resurrection of Christ 700 years before his birth ? And that Paul said nothing but what the prophets had said all along ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and we have to come into and walk in the light as well as believing the death and resurrection ?

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭

and are you aware that Peter preached the same things before Paul was ever converted to Christianity ?

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:22-24, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and that Jesus preached of his own death for sins and resurrection also before it happened ? When you become aware that Paul is a minister of the same things and just an equal apostle and servant of Jesus Christ it opens up a world of understanding . Especially when you realize it was always preached even beforehand

“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to hear the shepherds voice to be his sheep that follow him

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is wonderful but his epistles and quotes are no substitute for the gospel of the kingdom which includes his death and resurrection

What a great display to dazzling out of context text lifting. I am not here to debate. Christ died for our sins... that is the gospel Paul preached and also received from Christ Himself.

 

[Hungry]

What a great display to dazzling out of context text lifting. I am not here to debate. Christ died for our sins... that is the gospel Paul preached and also received from Christ Himself.

I think you are here to debate, otherwise you wouldn’t take relevant scripture and arrogantly label it out of context. I think everyone knows that Christ died for our sins. Do you understand what that means or how it is significant, and that Christ’ sacrifice is not salvation? It eliminates sin so we can enter into a relationship with the Father, so we can be saved. It unlocks the door. You still have to open the door and walk through.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What a great display to dazzling out of context text lifting. I am not here to debate. Christ died for our sins... that is the gospel Paul preached and also received from Christ Himself.

yeah it sums up a quote from Paul which doesn’t say “ that’s it and that’s all “ he says it’s the first thing he preached. And should be the first thing Christian believes . That’s why even Isaiah preached the same thing 700 years. Before Paul was born

that’s certainly part of the gospel we’re supposed to believe. And needs to be the starting point because of our sins aren’t forgiven we remain in death. The error is to try to erase the rest of the Gospel because we are afraid to hear what God has said

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think you are here to debate, otherwise you wouldn’t take relevant scripture and arrogantly label it out of context. I think everyone knows that Christ died for our sins. Do you understand what that means or how it is significant, and that Christ’ sacrifice is not salvation? It eliminates sin so we can enter into a relationship with the Father, so we can be saved. It unlocks the door. You still have to open the door and walk through.

“It eliminates sin so we can enter into a relationship with the Father, so we can be saved. It unlocks the door. You still have to open the door and walk through.”

very well said , and that’s where hearing the word comes in to make us walking folk it’s hard to know about the eternal kingdom of God if we won’t hear the gospel of the kingdom, which has a sacrifice that’s well able to offer atonement for those who believe the gospel and walk in the kingdom of light knowing jesus is Lord and King who rose from the dead

“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:13-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He is certainly our lord and king and his word is always going to be there for our salvation

 

[Blik]

Paul's epistles are just as important and meaningful as the gospel accounts. Paul was appointed by Jesus Himself as His apostle and was entrusted to write the Pauline epistles. I'm not saying Paul's as great as Christ, I'm just saying his epistles are just as important as the gospels in conveying the overall message Jesus wanted conveyed, especially details about church structure.

Paul's epistles are just as important and meaningful as the gospel accounts. Paul was appointed by Jesus Himself as His apostle and was entrusted to write the Pauline epistles. I'm not saying Paul's as great as Christ, I'm just saying his epistles are just as important as the gospels in conveying the overall message Jesus wanted conveyed, especially details about church structure.

Many men interpret Paul as saying things that oppose Christ, especially about the law. Christ consistently tells us to obey and some say Paul tells us the law has been taken away. That would be Paul opposing what Christ tells us. I don't think Paul does ever oppose Christ, but what Paul tells us in misunderstood.

As far as fear is concerned, we can have perfect confidence in the Lord's way of handling our world, God's way will win. God is eternal, knowing the end and the beginning, God knows what will happen. We are not to be of the world, just in the world but citizens of the kingdom of God, our territory is not the world, it is heaven. Christ said in Matt. 3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.

All kingdoms ave rules as the US, Germany, Japan, all have rules. So does the kingdom of heaven. As citizens of this kingdom, we give that kingdom our faith and trust.

 

[ewq1938]

yeah Paul’s a part of it just as valuable as Peter , John , James bit no epistle replaces the gospel .

Pauls letters ARE THE GOSPEL. He preaches the gospel of Christ so that makes his letters another gospel. Gospel means good news that comes from God via the Holy Spirit that inspires humans to write what God wants us to read and understand.

 

[rayzor]

You can't love god by a book alone even a book as great as the bible. It is to distance to read about a person, even a person such as god and love him.You could love him as a character such as spider man but that is not the same thing.That's why i think bible has became an idol to most religious people,because god has been at distance.

 

[Clayman]

1cor 1:12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ,"

What a condemnation against those at Corinth, for some to say that they follow only after certain ones, all scripture is for us, and all scripture presents the one gospel. And Paul rightly rebuked those that say they follow him.

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one spirit, just as you were called in the one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all.

Only one way of salvation and salvation comes through Jesus Christ.

 

[p_rehbein]

Pauls letters ARE THE GOSPEL. He preaches the gospel of Christ so that makes his letters another gospel. Gospel means good news that comes from God via the Holy Spirit that inspires humans to write what God wants us to read and understand.

The Gospel Paul taught in his Epistles was the Gospel of Jesus, not his own. Anyone teaching "another gospel," is a false teacher and not of God. Paul said this himself.

 

[p_rehbein]

For you to be saved you MUST believe this gospel Paul received from Christ

To be saved, one must believe Jesus is who He says He is, and to believe IN HIM.

We are in perilous times right now.

Do not wait on men to sort this mess out.

Where you spend eternity depends on you putting your faith in what Christ has done for you.

Don't gamble on your eternal destination.

These statements are true, except this should read: Putting your faith in Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

The Gospel Paul taught in his Epistles was the Gospel of Jesus, not his own.

Same thing.

Rom_2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti_2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Rom_1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There is many different ways to speak about the gospel.

There is gospel of Matthew.
There is gospel of Mark.
There is gospel of Luke.
There is gospel of John.
There is gospel of Paul.
There is gospel of Christ.

etc. etc.

 

[p_rehbein]

The Four Gospels of the Apostles are the Gospel of Jesus as they recorded it.

The Epistles of Paul are the Gospel of Jesus as Jesus revealed it to Paul.

Yes, they are all the Gospel of Jesus, however, in the comment I quoted from you, you appear to be saying Paul's Gospel was "another gospel." Meaning a Gospel separate from the Gospel of Jesus.

A misunderstanding mayhaps........just wanted to be clear

 

[ewq1938]

The Four Gospels of the Apostles are the Gospel of Jesus as they recorded it.

The Epistles of Paul are the Gospel of Jesus as Jesus revealed it to Paul.

Yes, they are all the Gospel of Jesus, however, in the comment I quoted from you, you appear to be saying Paul's Gospel was "another gospel." Meaning a Gospel separate from the Gospel of Jesus.

Same gospel just as any other just written by a new hand but still inspired by the one and only Holy Spirit.

 

[Hann57]

Many men interpret Paul as saying things that oppose Christ, especially about the law. Christ consistently tells us to obey and some say Paul tells us the law has been taken away. That would be Paul opposing what Christ tells us. I don't think Paul does ever oppose Christ, but what Paul tells us in misunderstood.

As far as fear is concerned, we can have perfect confidence in the Lord's way of handling our world, God's way will win. God is eternal, knowing the end and the beginning, God knows what will happen. We are not to be of the world, just in the world but citizens of the kingdom of God, our territory is not the world, it is heaven. Christ said in Matt. 3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.

All kingdoms ave rules as the US, Germany, Japan, all have rules. So does the kingdom of heaven. As citizens of this kingdom, we give that kingdom our faith and trust.

Debating about Paul and Christ is not the point here. You need to believe the gospel given to Paul by Christ, that is the point I am making. We can all have debates until the cows come home, but if you have not believed this gospel you are lost.