Nobody has argued, and fought, and debated, and quarreled, and misrepresented, and misinterpreted, and was at odds with each other over a book more than the Bible.
How so?Your point has been made repeatedly on many KJV Only threads.
It has never been enough to dissuade the Onlyists though. They do give a good bible a bad name.![]()
That's a bit of an odd claim , the thread title, don't you think?because KJV only seem to be americans which is ironic when you think about it, they should be rooting for their own version like maybe The Message Only Bibles, or POTUSV rather than a British english translation.
Nobody in England even calls it the KJV, they call it the AV (authorised version)
It is a deadly error to say that men are speaking only God's word.Can God's word be in error? When God speaks, does He ever speak in error?
It is a deadly error to say that men are speaking only God's word.
God's word was given to the understanding that men had of the meaning of words over 6,000 years ago. The KJV was translated by men influenced, not by God, but by the accepted interpretations of scripture of that time, including that it was OK to be against Jews. If you accept every interpretation of the original Hebrew into the 1600's idea of English, you are saying you believe in men, not in God. That is wrong.
yea thats why I pointed that outThat's a bit of an odd claim , the thread title, don't you think?
Those charged with creating a King's English version of the Bible would of course be referring to different works when creating the first 1611 edition of a Bible authorized by King James.
They couldn't be KJV only when a KJV didn't yet exist.
Firstly, this is not a primary matter of the Christian faith. It doesn't affect my walk with God at all.Example, Luke 10:1. Did the Lord appoint seventy or seventy-two? Either one is false and the other is true, or neither is true. They cannot both be true. Which is it?
KJV After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
ESV After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go.
That argument could be made of many English translations, meaning your conclusion, while not inconsistent with your premises, is not actually unique to the KJV. In other words, you haven't presented a valid case for the KJV as against any other translation.It is my contention that the kjv is inspired and inerrant as concerning doctrine;
While in certain cases, as with certain numbers, or other minor details, that have been postulated within the text, there may indeed be error;
However there is no error in the kjv that would carry over into changing doctrine so that we would be finding unsound doctrine in the context of the kjv.
Therefore the unadulterated message of salvation is completely preserved in what we know as the authorized version.
You might find the works of Bart D. Ehrman helpful.The only true word of God is in the autographs; that's my belief. Every copy and copies of copies have blemishes. It can't be avoided. Does that make it not the word of God? I don't believe so.
If an ancient manuscript was found and was titled The Gospel According to Matthew, and I began reading and it turned out to a work of Plato, then yeah, I'd say this "gospel" isn't the word of God. This is essentially what the KJV translators were saying: that is, though the translations aren't perfect they're still God's word.
By looking for one authoritative, perfect "word of God" you're waging a hopeless battle. The only truly perfect word of God are the autographs; but they're gone and won't be coming back—in this life anyway.
Speculative arguments hold absolutely no evidentiary value.God cannot preserve His words perfectly through copies? You do know that the “originals” contain copies...
Is God going to hold us accountable to a flawed word?
Do we really have to wonder?Firstly, this is not a primary matter of the Christian faith. It doesn't affect my walk with God at all.
Secondly, comparing one English translation to another English translation does not tell you which is correct; it only tells you that there is a difference. Those with an understanding of the textual issues behind the different English translations aren't overly concerned about this.
Thirdly, I have to wonder exactly who is behind this attempt to divide Christians from each other.
You don't believe this. If you did, you wouldn't have an issue with modern translations.Not if you believe in an almighty God who uses flawed men for His purposes.
I'm curious as to why you would direct anyone to an apostate whose work drives people away from Christ.You might find the works of Bart D. Ehrman helpful.
In particular the titles, Misquoting Jesus and Jesus Apocalyptic Prophet Of The New Millennium.
I didn't see where you pointed out my observations prior to my quoted post.yea thats why I pointed that out
its only now that we have tonnes of other versions to choose from that KJV only comes about
However they cant say its the Authorised Version in the US so they want it to be KJV only
as it was the Church of England official version appointed to be read in all churches. The designated Head of the Church of England is the current reigning monarch.
Some people seem to not understand this. Back in the day, every single Church in England were all state owned as it were after they had kicked out the Roman Catholics and the Pope.
Before that the only Bible they had was in Latin..the Vulgate.
I don't know that his work drives people from the faith. Ehrman was a Christian, now turned to Agnostic.I'm curious as to why you would direct anyone to an apostate whose work drives people away from Christ.![]()
Are you saying these men stopped being flawed as they translated? Do you think the word Passover can be accurately translated as Easter? That God does not pass over when blood is given on the altar?Not if you believe in an almighty God who uses flawed men for His purposes.
everything is perfect in its imperfections.With that being said,,,,It is written we are made perfect in weakness.Are you saying these men stopped being flawed as they translated? Do you think the word Passover can be accurately translated as Easter? That God does not pass over when blood is given on the altar?
When all does it happen that imperfect man can be trusted to be perfect? I think that is called barking up the wrong tree.
Um, no. It is written, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)everything is perfect in its imperfections.With that being said,,,,It is written we are made perfect in weakness.
2Co 12:9Um, no. It is written, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)
we are greater then the bible.We are the living word.Um, no. It is written, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)