What benefit has an believer to reject the vaccine againt SARS-coV-2?

[Aidan1]

To zero in on this point, this is a statement that many have questioned based on the data, how it was collected, and how it was presented. What sources are you using to make this claim? Perhaps this is a good starting point for discussion.

Data that differentiates between age groups is better. Data is better if it specifies whether single shot or double shot (but prior to 14 days after) is counted as vaccinated or unvaccinated. The listing of comorbidities in a probabilistic model is great value too. The cost analysis of lock-down measures vs no lock-down measures as it pertains to lowered life expectancy from future economic hardship would be great too.

For the sake of crossing notes, here's a link that summarizes many observations that fuel consideration for abstaining: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/30-facts-you-need-know-covid-cribsheet

If there are good counter-points to these observations, it would have great value in the conversation

For that i am convinced from the datas in germany. I dont know whatvhappend in the USA, but I havecalso friends in different parts of india which are telling independ from the others how many of their friends and relatives and churchmembers died because of the virus. This has never before in this country through any other deseases in such a short time. Since 29 years i am involved with Mission ministrie there.
You have around 250 000 deads in the states. Even when 50 % would be fake, it is far more then people died because of the vaccine.
Btw, i cant believe that your peoples in the hospitals are full of liars.

 

[surfer14]

Many people warns here on CC to take the vaccine against SARS-coV-2. But what benefit has an believer in Christ if he rejects the vaccine?
Thought?

1. I don't think it's the mark of the beast. But...if it is the mark of the beast, then I don't want to take it. If you have even a shadow of doubt as to whether it might possibly be the mark, then wouldn't it be adviseable to play it safe by not taking it?

2. The mask and the vax are nothing to do with health. They are just uniforms. They serve to identify which team you're on. Observe the company you keep. Maskers and vaxxers for the most part are your typical God haters. I don't want to be associated with them. Even if it kills me.

3. As a Christian my job is to tell people about Jesus. Few people that are open to hearing about Jesus are gonna listen to anyone with a mask. They just aren't. If you got the vax or if you wear a mask, then you've got zero credibility. Nobody is gonna take you seriously.

 

[Jocund]

People need to go with their conscience. I do not understand the hysteria around the vaccine, but if an individual thinks its wrong, then it's their call. However, it would be nice if people based their decision on facts instead of the lies and deceptions that are routinely promoted by some conspiracy theorists. Just one example. I was told off by someone who claimed that the 1918 flu pandemic was a result of a flu vaccine. Since flu vaccines were not produced until 1938, that is impossible.

A: "If you are gullible enough to believe in that Hoax of a virus, you're lost!"
B: "If you believe in those Conspiracy Theories that rich people like money, you're lost!"

Instead of "Hoaxers vs. Conspiracy Theorists" we should probably find more constructive language that is less likely to push people to a defensive response. Instead of incendiary titles such as "conspiracy theorist" why not paint a picture closer to how you actually feel: "proponents of weakly evidenced positions". Everyone is prone to have a slightly different standard of evidence, and not everyone has access to the same information. The phrasing presents the challenge to the position rather than the person. Even something like "victims of disinformation" points the finger less at the integrity of the person and more to the quality or scarcity of reliable information that has been made available to them. That's likely how many on either side may feel about the other. But through rational discourse we can find a common understanding of what a healthy standard of evidence looks like, and through sharing the sources of information we have at hand we may be able to come to the objective truths of the matter more readily.

Language like "conspiracy theorist" has never added anything constructive.

For the record, vaccines were used in the 1918 pandemic per credible sources (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/).

Let's help one another to correct misunderstandings and bad info as best as we can.

 

[Aidan1]

1. I don't think it's the mark of the beast. But...if it is the mark of the beast, then I don't want to take it. If you have even a shadow of doubt as to whether it might possibly be the mark, then wouldn't it be adviseable to play it safe by not taking it?

2. The mask and the vax are nothing to do with health. They are just uniforms. They serve to identify which team you're on. Observe the company you keep. Maskers and vaxxers for the most part are your typical God haters. I don't want to be associated with them. Even if it kills me.

3. As a Christian my job is to tell people about Jesus. Few people that are open to hearing about Jesus are gonna listen to anyone with a mask. They just aren't. If you got the vax or if you wear a mask, then you've got zero credibility. Nobody is gonna take you seriously.

Dear surfer14, thank you for reply.
To point 1. I am shure that no real believer want to take the mark of the beast. If you read rev. 13 you find out that the vac has nothing to do with the mark of the beast.

To point 2, If you realy believe this, i must tell you that you have no knowledge about selfprotection and protect others in case of infection with f.e. a virus. A mask is for shure no 100 % protection to get a virus ore spread it.
But it reduces, and this is proofed, the distance the particel from your exhaling or speaking or singing are flying. Thats why the distance from 1,5 till 2 m.
Why you think the personal during suergery wearing masks?
That you think that those who wearing a mask and want protect others and themselfes are enemys, is a very strange thinking. Even with those who getting the vac. ( Btw, if you count them enemys. What Jesus said how you should treat enemys?
You should love them.)

To 3, i dont know where you live. I can hard believe this. But if this would be true, then this reveals how the devil has already influenced the people through the lies he as father of lies has spread. Even among children of god he has spread distrust and hate.

 

[Gina3111_marriedToGod]

Many people warns here on CC to take the vaccine against SARS-coV-2. But what benefit has an believer in Christ if he rejects the vaccine?
Thought?

As a Christian, I feel it’s a persons own business if they want to take a vaccine or not. Different people respond differently to medicines and vaccines, therefore it might be unsafe and life-altering for some to take certain vaccines. I don’t see why anyone would even be thinking about someone else’s vaccine history or preferences!

 

[cv5]

Many people warns here on CC to take the vaccine against SARS-coV-2. But what benefit has an believer in Christ if he rejects the vaccine?
Thought?

There is credible evidence coming in that the jab is a cancer bomb. This coming from actually MD practitioners in the field monitoring their patients.

Do NOT expect any possibility of a CDC or NIH database tracking this outcome....never going to happen.

 

[cv5]

At first I wish you will not get Covid
Second I must say you, the you bet on the wrong horse. The most people died because of the virus and not because of the vaccine.
So if you realy want live you would choose the vaccine, from the rational point of view.

Third, if the Lord is not coming before, you anyway will die.

I know people they would not listen to the gospel because Christians are to much focused to believing conspiracy theories and spreading a baseless fear about the vaccine.

I understand your fear. But as some others statet, for us believers it makes no different to be vacccined or unvaccined.
We belong in both ways to the Lord.

But maby this Pandemie makes people open for the gospel. What do we tell them?

The Nazified big Pharma government conglomerate SHUT DOWN IVERMECTIN cold. It has become utterly cencored and practically illegal to even discuss it openly. This has caused untold thousands of needless deaths and is tantamount to mass murder and criminal malpractice IMO.

Ivermectin WIPED OUT COVID in India.

COVID completely 100% GONE in India after agressive Ivermectin rollout. Total MSM blackout of the story.

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A daily onslaught of media propaganda bombards us with messages attempting to steer us away from the safest and most effective treatments.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout-secret-revealed

 

[Aidan1]

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavir...a-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26
So what is true now?

 

[Aidan1]

The Nazified big Pharma government conglomerate SHUT DOWN IVERMECTIN cold. It has become utterly cencored and practically illegal to even discuss it openly. This has caused untold thousands of needless deaths and is tantamount to mass murder and criminal malpractice IMO.

Ivermectin WIPED OUT COVID in India.

COVID completely 100% GONE in India after agressive Ivermectin rollout. Total MSM blackout of the story.

​

A daily onslaught of media propaganda bombards us with messages attempting to steer us away from the safest and most effective treatments.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout-secret-revealed

The study in india revealed that ivermectin have less to no effect on covid relatet mortality or clinical recovery of the patient

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...he-use-of-ivermectin-jim-hoft-gateway-pundit/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/debgor...-19-but-online-reviews-spread-misinformation/

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavir...a-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

Again what is true?
October 1st over 24000 new cases of covid.
What is in your eyes 100%?

 

[dlw]

My son had covid about 2 months ago and he was down for a week. His wife and 3 kids never got it. The wife and i had been in contact with them and we never got it. All of the adults had been taking vitamin D3 and a daily multi- vitamin except my son. Kids were taking a daily vitamin.
I believe keeping up on your vitamins has a lot to do with a good immune system.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/the-immune-system
https://openvaers.com/covid-data

 

[surfer14]

I got corona. It was bad. In fact haven't felt so bad since the last time I had a cold.

 

[presidente]

Many people warns here on CC to take the vaccine against SARS-coV-2. But what benefit has an believer in Christ if he rejects the vaccine?
Thought?

Many of us don't know yet. That's the thing. They rushed these vaccines through, and they are a new type of technology. Some of the vaccines hijack cells to produce mRNA. There is concern that they may pass the blood-brain barrier.

Some of the vaccines were developed with cells cultivated from murdered unborn babies.

 

[Billyd]

My son had covid about 2 months ago and he was down for a week. His wife and 3 kids never got it. The wife and i had been in contact with them and we never got it. All of the adults had been taking vitamin D3 and a daily multi- vitamin except my son. Kids were taking a daily vitamin.
I believe keeping up on your vitamins has a lot to do with a good immune system.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/the-immune-system
https://openvaers.com/covid-data

Vitamins didn't prevent my wife or I from getting Covid19.

 

[dlw]

Vitamins didn't prevent my wife or I from getting Covid19.

Were you taking extra vitamin D3 beside the multi-vitamins?

 

[Nehemiah6]

But what benefit has an believer in Christ if he rejects the vaccine?

1. Benefit #1. He does not believe the lies of Satan and his minions nor side with them.
2. Benefit #2. He cannot possibly be immunized by a bogus vaccine, so natural immunity is far better. God has given men a fantastic immune system which is being deliberately played down by the COVID conspirators.
3. Benefit #3. He refuses to pollute his body (the temple of the Holy Spirit) with toxic and dangerous chemicals and biologicals which can kill, debilitate or disable.
4. Benefit #4. He refuses to be manipulated by the COVID Nazis for their benefit.
5. Benefit #5. He is in a position to warn others about the extremely harmful injections which have been fraudulently called vaccines, and which have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

[Aidan1]

1. Benefit #1. He does not believe the lies of Satan and his minions nor side with them.
2. Benefit #2. He cannot possibly be immunized by a bogus vaccine, so natural immunity is far better. God has given men a fantastic immune system which is being deliberately played down by the COVID conspirators.
3. Benefit #3. He refuses to pollute his body (the temple of the Holy Spirit) with toxic and dangerous chemicals and biologicals which can kill, debilitate or disable.
4. Benefit #4. He refuses to be manipulated by the COVID Nazis for their benefit.
5. Benefit #5. He is in a position to warn others about the extremely harmful injections which have been fraudulently called vaccines, and which have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

Thank you for your reply. But solong you are not able to proof your claimes i cant count them as truth, but as baseless speculations which are no benefit at all.

 

[Godsgirl83]

just curious @Aidan1 .......
why did you choose to post this in the Family Forum?

 

[Departure]

Thank you for your reply. But solong you are not able to proof your claimes i cant count them as truth, but as baseless speculations which are no benefit at all.

https://t.me/justwaitingz
My Telegram page the Lord directed me to put together.

Read them, watch them, and weep. At least a month's worth of video testimony. Complicated science papers you would need a chemistry major to even begin to understand what is being said, testimony from supposed vaccine recipients warning to not take it from more than the USA as far as countries go, video evidence of potential untalked about "side effects" to said vaccines, old Bible studies warning of the medical industry becoming an Idol worship topic, and finally various Bible translation studies that bring into account the vaccine is indeed an act against GOD's word despite continued debate that tries to say otherwise.

I leave you with KJV Hosea 4:6, Proverbs 3:5-6, Proverbs 25:2, and Ephesians 5:11 to ponder.

Hosea 4:6 KJV
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Proverbs 25:2 KJV
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Ephesians 5:11 KJV
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 

[Aidan1]

just curious @Aidan1 .......
why did you choose to post this in the Family Forum?

Well, i found not better forum. And it is in a sense a family matter.
My friend is married with an handycapetet russiangerman believer. They stayed together in a house with the wifes parents. When it came to the vaccine, my friend and his wife took the vaccine. But the wifes parents were not shure . Suddenly the brothers of my friends wife came and took the parents out of the house with all stuff. These russiangerman church listened to some conspiracy theorys which are going round in germany, too. They destroy in my eyes an family. They all called themselves follower of Jesus.

 

[Aidan1]

https://t.me/justwaitingz
My Telegram page the Lord directed me to put together.

Read them, watch them, and weep. At least a month's worth of video testimony. Complicated science papers you would need a chemistry major to even begin to understand what is being said, testimony from supposed vaccine recipients warning to not take it from more than the USA as far as countries go, video evidence of potential untalked about "side effects" to said vaccines, old Bible studies warning of the medical industry becoming an Idol worship topic, and finally various Bible translation studies that bring into account the vaccine is indeed an act against GOD's word despite continued debate that tries to say otherwise.

I leave you with KJV Hosea 4:6, Proverbs 3:5-6, Proverbs 25:2, and Ephesians 5:11 to ponder.

Hosea 4:6 KJV
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Proverbs 25:2 KJV
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Ephesians 5:11 KJV
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

You are shure that you put not your own thoughts together?
Since 1938 we have vaccines against flu and many other deseases.
So long the world is running after the sinfall Power and money rules the people.
And suddenly you blaming the Industrie because they warn money with the vaccine?
This is realy not New!
Almost all medicaments have sideeffects. Yes and the vaccine too.
You would prefer to let polio, rabies, Tetanus, ebola, flu, Hepatitis, and all the other deseases coming up, because otherwise people could make money with it?
I do not believe that the Lord told you, not to take the vaccine.
Have you listet the testimonies from those which suffer under Covid? Why not?
They are quit more, your list will be longer.