The Minset of and Orphan or the Mindset of a Son

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Aaron56

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One of the curses of a mindset that prefers democracy over all other forms of governance is that is assumes an equality of standing before God. Yet, there is no equality of standing before God. Let’s dig into this a bit.

Unique callings cannot be compared qualitatively. Everyone has a unique calling. The moment you subscribe to the view of uniqueness there is no basis for comparative analysis based on value. Because all are unique and necessary to one another, one calling cannot be dismissed for the preference of another.

The goal of U.S. law (including the Constitution), is to create a level playing field in order to establish for us a comparable standard. So, in the case of U.S. citizens and the 14th Amendment, we can insist on equal protection and due process of the law no matter our background or stature within society (now, I know this is not true practically, but it is legally unquestionable).

God solves the problem of an identity based in equality by giving to us something far above that which we could attain by our own striving: He gives us the status of son.

“We are all the sons of God by faith in Jesus Christ.”

Once you elevate man to that position, a position he cannot attain by his own strength, you’re free to deploy your son in the manner for which you created him to function. And this is anything but “equal”, because it is based upon the unique calling of the particular son.

Therefore, equality has no relevance to sonship. (This is what the Book of Philippians speaks to)

“..although Jesus was by nature God, He did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped.”

Because, in equality, you offer this for that, with the end result of both parties remaining equal. This is called quid pro quo in law.

Establishing equality of value requires a standard. For example, if we are exchanging a sum of money for a car, two inherently disparate things, how are we to decide the value of the car vs. the money? In our culture, we will use the Kelley Blue Book. This is a fiction that both parties agree upon so that a transaction can occur with the car and the money and, at the end of the transaction, both parties remain equal. The intent of the standard, then, is to ensure that neither person gains or loses within the transaction.

The best system that an orphan can hope for is a system of equality. The orphan thinks equality is important because the orphan needs to get something from God: he needs to get salvation and/or assurance that he is going to heaven. So, the orphan needs to know from God “what do you require of me in exchange for this security?” Well, he needs a Kelley Blue Book standard. In this case, the “Blue Book” is the Law.

The Law (and the Ten Commandments) specifies the medium of exchange that makes the orphan and God equal. So that’s why Jesus did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, He was a son and His relationship with God was based upon something other than equality. The assurance He had was that God loved Him and that, if Jesus would prefer someone over Himself and die on their behalf, then God’s love for Him would not fail, even to the point where His life would be forfeit. I’ve written before that this depth of love is greater than the whole of the Law because the Law was meant to preserve the lives of the ones following the Law. In The Law of the Son of His Love, however, one is asked to give up his life for the sake of another. (I won’t go into this again at this time).

For us, as sons, God may treat us totally differently and be just and righteous at the same time. The son is the radiance of his Father’s glory in the manner in which the Father choses to deploy him. That’s the uniqueness of each son and why we cannot compare, based on equality, how one son is deployed vs. another nor can we, and this is a greater part, evaluate God’s love of His sons based upon how He aligns their lives.

The son is also the exact representation of the Father in the manner in which the Father has decided to display Himself through that son. So, He may put a son in the African bush and He may put a son in Toronto and within those totally different circumstances, equip both sons based upon their needs and calling. For one, He might give an SUV that is able to traverse snow banks and ice, for the other, perhaps a bicycle is all that is needed because car repair is too costly and difficult to find. In these exchanges, between God and His sons, there is nothing about equality that sustains the relationships. The exchange is based upon representation and the unique calling of both sons and is framed in love. This is also why we should not believe, qualitatively, that we in the U.S. have advantages over people in 3rd World Countries as far as the gospel is concerned.

God solved the problem of identity by making us His sons. When You do that, You may deploy a son in any fashion that is pleasing to You. If you do not see that, you will make deals with God to offer Him something (probably the work of your own hands) so that you can hold Him accountable for your own well-being. If we are laboring to receive provision and protection from God, either for ourselves or for our nation, then we have the identity of an orphan and not a son.

Peace,
Aaron56
 

Aaron56

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In summary:

Those who say the 10 Commandments/Law are our guide today have an orphan mindset.
Those who know that Christ is our example as we are led by the Spirit have the mindset of a son of God.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we could come into his mindset as Paul is speaking for us to let that in it would change Christian lives

good post brother thanks for taking the time to post all you do here always find some good nuggets of edification you are appreciated
 

Blik

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One of the curses of a mindset that prefers democracy over all other forms of governance is that is assumes an equality of standing before God. Yet, there is no equality of standing before God. Let’s dig into this a bit.
Christ was not interested in government kingdoms. We are sons of God, and the kingdom of God is not temporary like governments, it is eternal and the territory is not geographic but heaven. That is where the citizenship of a Christian lies.

Christ was asked to be patriotic and fight Rome and the tax collectors. Christ said render to Caesar what is of Caesar's and to God what is of God. Christ said love your enemies instead. Christ made friends and ate with tax collectors.

The message of Christ was to individuals and it was about how those individuals lived. When the Lord judges a nation it is not the government he judges, it is the individuals in that nation. The Lord will save a nation based on the percentage of Christians in it who belong to Him. The Lord would have saved Sodom if he could have found ten of his people in that city.
 

Aaron56

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Christ was not interested in government kingdoms. We are sons of God, and the kingdom of God is not temporary like governments, it is eternal and the territory is not geographic but heaven. That is where the citizenship of a Christian lies.

Christ was asked to be patriotic and fight Rome and the tax collectors. Christ said render to Caesar what is of Caesar's and to God what is of God. Christ said love your enemies instead. Christ made friends and ate with tax collectors.

The message of Christ was to individuals and it was about how those individuals lived. When the Lord judges a nation it is not the government he judges, it is the individuals in that nation. The Lord will save a nation based on the percentage of Christians in it who belong to Him. The Lord would have saved Sodom if he could have found ten of his people in that city.
We actually have dual citizenship, but only one of the kingdoms of which we are part is eternal.

People in the U.S. often have trouble with understanding the Kingdom of God. I believe this is because, at its inception, this nation rejected the rule of a king and monarchies in general. I am not suggesting that earthly monarchies are good, only that people in the U.S. are biased against kingly rule because of this nation's history.

A number of U.S. axioms have no basis in the Kingdom: democracy, voting, self-reliance, majority rule, etc. These "truisms" are taught to us as children. This causes believers in the U.S., who do not seek wisdom from above, to often reject the ways of God.
 

Blik

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We actually have dual citizenship, but only one of the kingdoms of which we are part is eternal.

People in the U.S. often have trouble with understanding the Kingdom of God. I believe this is because, at its inception, this nation rejected the rule of a king and monarchies in general. I am not suggesting that earthly monarchies are good, only that people in the U.S. are biased against kingly rule because of this nation's history.

A number of U.S. axioms have no basis in the Kingdom: democracy, voting, self-reliance, majority rule, etc. These "truisms" are taught to us as children. This causes believers in the U.S., who do not seek wisdom from above, to often reject the ways of God.
When we become Christians, we do not have dual kingdoms for scripture tells us we would can be loyal to only one. Our kingdom's territory is heaven, we are strangers and sojourners in the geographical land we live in. We obey the laws of this land. It is like if a US citizen lived and worked in Germany. If the laws of the two nations conflict, as if Germany and the US went to war, then he would have to choose the country he belonged to. As a citizen of the kingdom of God, if there is a conflict then we are to choose the laws of God.
 

Aaron56

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When we become Christians, we do not have dual kingdoms for scripture tells us we would can be loyal to only one. Our kingdom's territory is heaven, we are strangers and sojourners in the geographical land we live in. We obey the laws of this land. It is like if a US citizen lived and worked in Germany. If the laws of the two nations conflict, as if Germany and the US went to war, then he would have to choose the country he belonged to. As a citizen of the kingdom of God, if there is a conflict then we are to choose the laws of God.
Nah, Paul leveraged his Roman citizenship against the soldier who struck him, thus securing an audience with the proconsulate. We, like our Lord, are the son of man and the son of God.

But you are correct: in areas of disparate standards we are obligated to choose the way of the eternal kingdom. However, we can be loyal to both insofar as our terrestrial kingdom aligns with God’s. Still, our time here is temporary and we should not be so attached to our earthly place.
 

Blik

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Nah, Paul leveraged his Roman citizenship against the soldier who struck him, thus securing an audience with the proconsulate. We, like our Lord, are the son of man and the son of God.

But you are correct: in areas of disparate standards we are obligated to choose the way of the eternal kingdom. However, we can be loyal to both insofar as our terrestrial kingdom aligns with God’s. Still, our time here is temporary and we should not be so attached to our earthly place.
It isn't a matter of being loyal to both, but when we live in a foreign land as we do when we live in the world, we are to obey any law of that land that is not in conflict with the laws of our true kingdom. God gives the nations authority to make laws, but God would not give them authority to make laws contrary to His ways.

A US citizen living in Germany must go by the traffic laws of Germany, not of the US, but that does not mean that his core loyalty is not with the US.
 

p_rehbein

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One of the curses of a mindset that prefers democracy over all other forms of governance is that is assumes an equality of standing before God. Yet, there is no equality of standing before God. Let’s dig into this a bit.
While parts of your OP bear truth in them, you overlook the totality of the meaning of "equal." Consider........

All men are EQUALLY able to call upon the name of Jesus for salvation

All men are EQUALLY able to have their sins cleansed by His blood making them EQUALLY able to become adopted heirs to the Promise.

All men are EQUALLY baptized by the Holy Spirit unto their salvation,

All men are EQUALLY loved by God, and EQUALLY able to receive gifts of the Holy Spirit to prepare and equip them to accomplish the work of the Kingdom that God purposed them for from their salvation.

In Gods eyes, once saved, all men are EQUAL..........I know this because Scripture says so.

Galatians, Chapter 3:

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

Aaron56

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It isn't a matter of being loyal to both..
"..for scripture tells us we would can be loyal to only one."
I think you're talking to yourself. :)

I understand the matter clearly and we agree on all topics save for we do not have dual citizenship. One is passing away, the other is eternal. We may use the terrestrial one, and its laws, and remain obedient to the eternal one. It is not a matter of debate: the law in the U.S. claims that I am a citizen of this country with full rights afforded thereof. Even though I obey the law of the U.S. I am fully aware my life does not begin or end or prosper by permission of the state.