What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

[ewq1938]

My answer was who told you in thess it was boots on the ground, and it was the same coming, Remember I first asked the question, and this was your answer to me..

In other words. Neither one of us can prove our point.


Who said this was the rapture?

My friend. Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?

There are no raptured people nor people who have already been judged to eternal life before seal is opened. Only at the second coming are people made immortal after judgment. That is also time rapture occurs. That happens at 7th trump. The seals were opened a LONG time before the great trib even starts.

 

[justbyfaith]

your striving over a word that does not change what Paul said - Read it again until you get it.

We are no longer under the law - its gone - it only remains to judge and condemn unbelievers - the Jew first and also to the Gentile.

The Gospel is for believers - the Jew first and also the Gentile.

You who seek to be under the Law are astranged/separated from Christ. Paul used the Law to win those under the Law to Christ.

We are both delivered from the law and are also under it to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv)). (I am not striving about the word; I am simply believing the kjv over your translation. In fact, I believe that in departing from the authorized version, you have chosen a different word and therefore you are the one who is striving about words).

We are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

But as concerning obedience, we are under the law (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv)).

See also Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; and 1 John 2:3-6.

All of these scriptures denote an obedience to the law as concerning the believer in Christ.

See also James 1:22-25; and realize that in James 2:10-12, the perfect law of liberty is the ten commandments; since the commandments of "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" are included in the law of liberty according to that passage.

Therefore, if we look into the ten commandments and are obedient to them, we will be blessed in what we do.

Here, the law is no longer a condemning taskmaster but has been transferred into becoming a set of wisdom principles that, if we are obedient to them, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25).

For it is written, that whosoever turns his ear away from hearing the law, that even his prayer shall become an abomination (Proverbs 28:9)

 

[DavidTree]

Take a look at the Greek which instead shows this to be "PLURAL":

"through MANY [PLURAL] TRIBULATIONS [PLURAL]"... - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/14-22.htm

...and we know for a fact that (for example) the Thessalonians were experiencing "persecutionS and tribulationS YE ENDURE" 2Th1:4 even way back then!!

(NO ONE is denying that "the Church which is His body" has experienced this during and throughout its ENTIRE EXISTENCE on the earth since the first century!! [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)])

Yes, many Tribulations the Saints have and will face including the Final one - the Great Tribulation.

Please post a scripture that for the sake of peace that comes from Truth, that God wants us to walk in TOGETHER in HIM.

My answer was who told you in thess it was boots on the ground, and it was the same coming, Remember I first asked the question, and this was your answer to me..

In other words. Neither one of us can prove our point.


Who said this was the rapture?

My friend. Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?

You have yet to answer this question

You said: "Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?"

this is a complete lie - who told you this nonsense? Stop listening to them -

 

[DavidTree]

We are both delivered from the law and are also under it to Christ. (I am not striving about the word; I am simply believing the kjv over your translation. In fact, I believe that in departing from the authorized version, you have chosen a different word and therefore you are the one who is striving about words).

We are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

But as concerning obedience, we are under the law (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv)).

See also Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; and 1 John 2:3-6.

All of these scriptures denote an obedience to the law as concerning the believer in Christ.

See also James 1:22-25; and realize that in James 2:10-12, the perfect law of liberty is the ten commandments; since the commandments of "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" are included in the law of liberty according to that passage.

Therefore, if we look into the ten commandments and are obedient to them, we will be blessed in what we do.

Here, the law is no longer a condemning taskmaster but has been transferred into becoming a set of wisdom principles that, if we are obedient to them, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25).

For it is written, that whosoever turns his ear away from hearing the law, that even his prayer shall become an abomination (Proverbs 28:9)

i stopped reading after this - "We are both delivered from the law and are also under it to Christ. "

i am not under the schoolmaster / the law- i have Christ and His Holy Spirit

 

[justbyfaith]

i stopped reading after this - "We are both delivered from the law and are also under it to Christ. "

i am not under the schoolmaster / the law- i have Christ and His Holy Spirit

You really should continue reading; because in turning your ears off you will be missing out on a profound truth.

 

[DavidTree]

You really should continue reading; because in turning your ears off you will be missing out on a profound truth.

I read it all and i know of a profound truth that surpasses what you wrote

whoever seeks to be under the law separates themselves from Christ

 

[justbyfaith]

I read it all and i know of a profound truth that surpasses what you wrote

whoever seeks to be under the law separates themselves from Christ

In the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

 

[justbyfaith]

I have a question for you, @DavidTree.

What is it that you consider to be the "law of Christ"?

 

[DavidTree]

I have a question for you, @DavidTree.

What is it that you consider to be the "law of Christ"?

Signing Out - Good nite - God Bless be healthy and be filled in His Holy Spirit

 

[Icedaisey]

Signing Out - Good nite - God Bless be healthy and be filled in His Holy Spirit

We are. Always and in all ways.

And same to you as well.

 

[justbyfaith]

Signing Out - Good nite - God Bless be healthy and be filled in His Holy Spirit

I await the answer to my question...

I assume you will give it tomorrow?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nothing says they are missionaries. It only says they are sealed, which is a form of protection over them. They will not be deceived by the lies and decptive miracles of the great trib.

So what else would these "sealed" people all over the world be doing?

Sitting around playing Cards?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are no raptured people nor people who have already been judged to eternal life before seal is opened. Only at the second coming are people made immortal after judgment. That is also time rapture occurs. That happens at 7th trump. The seals were opened a LONG time before the great trib even starts.

but we have people in new bodies, in robes and have their crowns before the first seal opens.

Please answer my questions all you did was give me your view. That would not help me change my view. .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You said: "Once again, Why are believers raptured and judged in heaven before Jesus even opened the first seal?"

this is a complete lie - who told you this nonsense? Stop listening to them -

All you have given me here is your opinion

You have failed to answer WHY people are in the throne room who have robes and crowns, things only promised to believers after the resurrection.

If your just going to give me your opinion and attack. then I will move on

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

That does not put us under the law

He is correct. The law was our schoolmaster. We are under a different law. The law of Grace mercy and love,

 

[DavidTree]

All you have given me here is your opinion

You have failed to answer WHY people are in the throne room who have robes and crowns, things only promised to believers after the resurrection.

If your just going to give me your opinion and attack. then I will move on

Why do the Saints who die in Christ go to heaven???
Does God want them walking around Heaven naked???

Have you never read in Revelation what the LORD said to those who Love HIM: "he who overcomes will be dressed in white"
Have you never read in Revelation what the LORD said: Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown

 

[DavidTree]

That does not put us under the law

He is correct. The law was our schoolmaster. We are under a different law. The law of Grace mercy and love,

You said: "The law of Grace mercy and love, "

BEAUTIFUL SWEET WORDS to my EARS.

The Sound of a DOVE

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do the Saints who die in Christ go to heaven???
Does God want them walking around Heaven naked???

Have you never read in Revelation what the LORD said to those who Love HIM: "he who overcomes will be dressed in white"
Have you never read in Revelation what the LORD said: Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown

Yep

And when are these given?

AFTER THE RESSURECTION.

Before this where are we?

IN PARADISE AWAITING the ressurection of our bodies.

 

[DavidTree]

Yep

And when are these given?

AFTER THE RESSURECTION.

Before this where are we?

IN PARADISE AWAITING the ressurection of our bodies.

When Overcomers/Saints dies in the Lord, they go to Heaven to be with Christ, not paradise, with Christ now they are given their White Robes.
"he who overcomes will be dressed in white"

Believe what the LORD said: Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When Overcomers/Saints dies in the Lord, they go to Heaven to be with Christ, not paradise, with Christ now they are given their White Robes.
"he who overcomes will be dressed in white"

Believe what the LORD said: Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown

Jesus said, today you will be with me in paradise.

No one receives a new body until they are resurrected. If they did, the resurrection of the dead in meaningless.

Once again, You hurt your own case by saying things which are nonsensical.