Why do people not believe Jesus when he said "Greater works shall he [that believes] do?"
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I believe God causes miracles. When people were healed in Acts in the name of Jesus, God brought glory to Jesus( see Acts 3:13).
I do not believe people can cause or initiate miracles. I do not have that power to cause or initiate miracles. That is God’s doing. However people can pray and God can answer prayers. I remember one instance that I wonder if God had specifically answered my prayer. I was going to a group at the time. I knew of a mission work overseas going on where they would preach the gospel. I was praying and had a random thought to pray for the lame and I did. Later on when at the group and the mission work was discussed, there was also mentioned how a lame man was healed.
I do not believe people can cause or initiate miracles. I do not have that power to cause or initiate miracles. That is God’s doing. However people can pray and God can answer prayers. I remember one instance that I wonder if God had specifically answered my prayer. I was going to a group at the time. I knew of a mission work overseas going on where they would preach the gospel. I was praying and had a random thought to pray for the lame and I did. Later on when at the group and the mission work was discussed, there was also mentioned how a lame man was healed.
Thank-you for answering correctly. At first you answered negatively BUT then you looked on what you have instead of what you think you don't have... and you shared the basic components of any miracle... Prayer, compassion, and simple obedience. Notice how pride and self-interest were not a part of the equation. When you operated SOLELY in believing prayer, compassion, and simple obedience you saw results... even if you aren't sure they came as a result of your prayer.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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My apologies. I'd basically forgotten your first 2 short sentences once I started reading your 2nd paragraph. My reply was only regarding the second paragraph. It started with "I don't believe" ..and.. "I don't have"... which are negatives and aren't particularly helpful in trying to get something accomplished. Soon you switched to what you did hear, did do and did see as results. But that may be a smaller point.
I've been struggling to word the bigger point. And I want to get it right for everyone's benefit. (sorry for the delay)
It started to show up in post #35 and your post #38 when you said "Depending on how you view it I suppose." Oh, how true that is!
(Please review those two postings) They were both talking about the FACT that "Jesus/God/the Holy Spirit is the one doing the work". We both believe that to be true... BUT... You looked at it one way. I looked at it another way. Your view seems to be highlighting a limiting factor as to what is proper and possible. My view pointed toward the limitless power of Jesus. Our two views are basically two sides of the same coin. Neither should be ignored or disregarded. Yet how many even KNOW about the view I proposed?
The idea of there being another way to look at something is especially important when reading what I called "your 'negative' comments". But I feel I'm running out of energy. So I'll just post this much for now. Thanks for being patient with me.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I've been struggling to word the bigger point. And I want to get it right for everyone's benefit. (sorry for the delay)
It started to show up in post #35 and your post #38 when you said "Depending on how you view it I suppose." Oh, how true that is!
(Please review those two postings) They were both talking about the FACT that "Jesus/God/the Holy Spirit is the one doing the work". We both believe that to be true... BUT... You looked at it one way. I looked at it another way. Your view seems to be highlighting a limiting factor as to what is proper and possible. My view pointed toward the limitless power of Jesus. Our two views are basically two sides of the same coin. Neither should be ignored or disregarded. Yet how many even KNOW about the view I proposed?
The idea of there being another way to look at something is especially important when reading what I called "your 'negative' comments". But I feel I'm running out of energy. So I'll just post this much for now. Thanks for being patient with me.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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When I was first trying to line up with the word of God in such a way that my prayers would produce results, I found that some of my thinking was incorrect. Basically, I would find some promise of God then try to use it in an appropriate time. If it didn't work, I would ask God why. He would bring to my attention some small phrase or wording that I'd overlooked or in some way hadn't lined up with. As I would correct my understanding or position, I saw increasingly productive results.
I basically said that last paragraph as an example that even though we are trying to walk in the will and ways of God according to his word, we often act based on assumptions that we don't even realize we've made. And sometimes what we THINK is a good way of looking at something is actually dangerously wrong when we consider the same statement from another viewpoint. That's how one of your 'negative' statements stood out to me. (I'll explain)
If we consider (and take it seriously) that GOD/Jesus/The Holy Spirit is he that initiates miracles and is the power that performs those miracles....Then (if looking from that perspective) what does it mean when someone claims " I do not have that power to cause or initiate miracles."? It means they are accidentally claiming that they don't have God. (even if they don't think so)
And again there is more to be said on that, but I don't want to put too much into one post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I basically said that last paragraph as an example that even though we are trying to walk in the will and ways of God according to his word, we often act based on assumptions that we don't even realize we've made. And sometimes what we THINK is a good way of looking at something is actually dangerously wrong when we consider the same statement from another viewpoint. That's how one of your 'negative' statements stood out to me. (I'll explain)
If we consider (and take it seriously) that GOD/Jesus/The Holy Spirit is he that initiates miracles and is the power that performs those miracles....Then (if looking from that perspective) what does it mean when someone claims " I do not have that power to cause or initiate miracles."? It means they are accidentally claiming that they don't have God. (even if they don't think so)
And again there is more to be said on that, but I don't want to put too much into one post.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
@CherieR Our FLESH doesn't have the ability to perform miracles in Jesus name, but miracles are performed when we are NOT focused on our flesh but rather on God and his power (which is supposed to dwell in us). And if you review your own example, you see that pattern. You weren't focused on yourself, or your own ambitions, or on the limitations. You were focused on what God wanted, what God (through you) might do, and what you should ask to bring that into existence. Then you asked, and you received. (As it is promised in the word. And you give glory to God.)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I don’t mean to suggest or imply absence of God or his power in believers. Yes, we have God and his power inside. This is because of the presence of the Holy Spirit who dwells in those who trust in Christ.
I spoke of human limitation in that God is the one who performs miracles and this power doesn’t come from human ability but the power is from God.
I spoke of human limitation in that God is the one who performs miracles and this power doesn’t come from human ability but the power is from God.
I'm not hating, but in the interest of equal time, I have video that gives some insight into a Smith Wigglesworth "healing" meeting. The whole thing is good, but at 12:20 is where it's especially revealing.
Again, I don't post this with a bitter spirit toward anyone; however, I believe people deserve to hear all sides. If this is Wiggelsworth, why would we want to emulate him? This is the same old story of every faith healer: people don't get healed or are healed temporarily. They're told the only way they can be healed is if they have faith. If they have faith to heal themself, why do they need a faith healer?
Again, I don't post this with a bitter spirit toward anyone; however, I believe people deserve to hear all sides. If this is Wiggelsworth, why would we want to emulate him? This is the same old story of every faith healer: people don't get healed or are healed temporarily. They're told the only way they can be healed is if they have faith. If they have faith to heal themself, why do they need a faith healer?
Uh no
You waste a lot of time accusing the brethren.
Your obcession is to remove any notion of a powerful God.
Finding any flyspecks on the men of God that step out where you have given yourself over to mocking, is but one avenue for your declarations that God is a baptist.
Youtube is so very helpful in your sick quest.
You waste a lot of time accusing the brethren.
Your obcession is to remove any notion of a powerful God.
Finding any flyspecks on the men of God that step out where you have given yourself over to mocking, is but one avenue for your declarations that God is a baptist.
Youtube is so very helpful in your sick quest.