Our new relationship to the law.

[BillG]

I thought your relating what Christ did to a new nappy was brilliant, but your said "Change a babies diaper (we say nappy over here) and give it a new one that new nappy will have to be changed again. It seemed to me that Christ told us to live in repentance so our nappies don't need to be changed again but the forgiveness of our sin is with us constantly.

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

We cannot want sin in our lives and want to live in heaven

I read that as you thinking I thought it was ok to sin.

Not sure I would relate the new nappy to repentance though.

Isaiah 1:18-19
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land;

When we do sin yes we confess it to God and ask for help.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

To reject baptism is death; so, why will you die? Every soul that is baptized honors God and every soul that rejects baptism dishonors God. "And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). People, if you are in a position to be baptized, why reject the counsel of God? Rejecting God's counsel could get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16): Remember, before his crucifixion, Jesus told his disciples that his time (death) is not yet come; He also informed them that their time (death) can come at any moment.

John 1,3,4,5,6.
he who believes is not condemned
He who does not believe is condemned already
no mention of baptism

I was baptized by the spirit when I was saved

I got baptized by my pastor a tray later

No son was ever washed in the baptismal tub I got baptized by n. They got washed away by the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit not by my work but by Gods Mercy Titus 3

 

[BroTan]

John 1,3,4,5,6.
he who believes is not condemned
He who does not believe is condemned already
no mention of baptism

I was baptized by the spirit when I was saved

I got baptized by my pastor a tray later

No son was ever washed in the baptismal tub I got baptized by n. They got washed away by the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit not by my work but by Gods Mercy Titus 3

Praise the Lord in Jesus name if u got Baptize according to the word of God. But that is just the beginning of the journey.
Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means.

 

[peldom10]

John 1,3,4,5,6.
he who believes is not condemned
He who does not believe is condemned already
no mention of baptism

I was baptized by the spirit when I was saved

I got baptized by my pastor a tray later

No son was ever washed in the baptismal tub I got baptized by n. They got washed away by the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit not by my work but by Gods Mercy Titus 3

Not true;

Acts 2;38 repent and be baptized.....et al.

 

[BroTan]

I was looking for this post and it led me to post the following in an older thread. Hopefully it will help someone.

Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Heb 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Heb 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We must understand this passage by certain biblical knowledge.
First, we find that according to scripture, Christians are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6). Where no law is (where it does not apply), there is no transgression (Romans 4:15); sin is not imputed where there is no law (where it does not apply) (Romans 5:13).

We find in holy scripture, therefore, that "all things are lawful for me" (1 Corinthians 6:12, 10:23).

Now, sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); so I conclude that as a believer under grace, I cannot sin in the eyes of the Father (1 John 3:9); who looks down on me from heaven and sees the shed blood of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So, looking at the passage, how is it possible to sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth? All of the things that I have mentioned above are obtained by faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross.

So, I would sin willfully by failing to place my faith in Jesus and what He did for me on the Cross. In such a situation, the sin of transgressing the law would not be covered and I would be sinning against the Lord.

To sin willfully, I think that it would have to be a situation where I am not tempted to sin and a situation where I do not sin out of weakness. It is written,

Psa 37:23, The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psa 37:24, Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

I may fall into some temptation; but if I sin out of weakness then there is the possibility that I have not sinned willfully against the Lord; and I ought to look up in my faith and believe that there is indeed forgiveness for me, even in light of this passage.

If I keep faith in Jesus and what He did for me, then I am blessed according to the following scripture.

Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

As long as sin is not imputed to me, I cannot sin willfully against the Lord, in the Lord's sight.

So then, the willful sin that is being spoken of in the passage has to do primarily with rejecting faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross.

Very good verses but I see a little confusing in there. There is a struggle with understanding willfully sinning.

A good example could be the prophet David, who have a heart after the Lord own heart. Let's read the summary of what David did in 2 Samuel 12
1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. 2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: 3but the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. 4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. 5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 6 and he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 and I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

It's always good to back and read these example in the Old Testament.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

 

[BroTan]

I must disagree with you here. Taking a verse out of Hebrews in an attempt to change the meaning of what we find in 1 Corinthians is an unkosher hermeneutic, impaho.

I would also answer your other contentions with the following scripture.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11, But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12, And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

We are justified by faith; and the law is not of faith but according to the law, a man who does what the law says, lives because he does what the law says. This is an alternate mode of salvation than receiving forgiveness through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. This also indicates that doing what the law says is not the prescribed method of salvation when it comes to faith. As a matter of fact, the concept of faith is diuametircally opposed to thinking that you can obtain your salvation through keeping the law; or, being justified by the law.

Again Prophecy is going to take place in the future regardless. What I post in Isaiah and Paul writing is going to happen .


Let's get some understanding in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring destruction to yourselves.

 

[BroTan]

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

What I post is what must be done to today according to the word of God, Faith and works. What you post is the future of Israel at the second coming of Jesus.

Let's start at Ezekiel 36: 16 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. 18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: 19 and I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

Let's skip down to verse 37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. 38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Israel is scattered right now still among the heathen, not in Jerusalem filled with flocks.

But Let's go to Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 and the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. 7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. 8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

Notice this is the future and we see even then the Commandment are still there as they are this day. All this will happen at the seconding of Jesus and not a day before.

 

[justbyfaith]

Ezekiel 36:25-17 is a general passage given to show what it means to be born again.

Sometimes the surrounding, immediate context has no bearing whatsoever on the application that the Holy Spirit wants to give at any particular time.

 

[justbyfaith]

Again Prophecy is going to take place in the future regardless. What I post in Isaiah and Paul writing is going to happen .


Let's get some understanding in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring destruction to yourselves.

Jhn 1:17, For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

When :the law" is spoken of in holy scripture, it is not only speaking of the animal sacrifices that were instituted; but also of the ten commandments (also given by Moses) and extends to moral tenets also given in the New Testament. For it is written, that by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20)

 

[justbyfaith]

Very good verses but I see a little confusing in there. There is a struggle with understanding willfully sinning.

A good example could be the prophet David, who have a heart after the Lord own heart. Let's read the summary of what David did in 2 Samuel 12
1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. 2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: 3but the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. 4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. 5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 6 and he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 and I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

It's always good to back and read these example in the Old Testament.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Of course, David did not die for his sin with Uriah and Bathsheba.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Praise the Lord in Jesus name if u got Baptize according to the word of God. But that is just the beginning of the journey.
Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means.

Good luck in trying to earn your salvation my friend. I will pray for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not true;

Acts 2;38 repent and be baptized.....et al.

Acts 2 repent. For this who repented. Be baptised
you need to study the Greek my friend. Peter did not contradict Jesus or payl

 

[peldom10]

Acts 2 repent. For this who repented. Be baptised
you need to study the Greek my friend. Peter did not contradict Jesus or payl

LOL...you need to apply God's word as He intends....which is well established.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL...you need to apply God's word as He intends....which is well established.

Yes it us
he who believes is not condemned
he who does not believe is condemned already

No water baptism involved

 

[justbyfaith]

Good luck in trying to earn your salvation my friend. I will pray for you

How is the man attempting to earn his salvation?

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes it us
he who believes is not condemned
he who does not believe is condemned already

No water baptism involved

I would make the point that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins can be a point of contact by which a man can be saved; as there is an absolute, conditional promise given in Acts 2:38-39 and if one fulfills the condition (Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins) they will absolutely obtain the promise (remission of sins and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost).

Which is not to say that one cannot obtain the Holy Ghost merely by asking, seeking, and knocking (Luke 11:9-13).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is the man attempting to earn his salvation?

IF you don‘t can’t help you

All he talks about is his works of righteousness He does to get saved

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would make the point that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins can be a point of contact by which a man can be saved; as there is an absolute, conditional promise given in Acts 2:38-39 and if one fulfills the condition (Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins) they will absolutely obtain the promise (remission of sins and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost).

Which is not to say that one cannot obtain the Holy Ghost merely by asking, seeking, and knocking (Luke 11:9-13).

That would be replacing the work of Ht Holy Spirit in cleaning us with his baptism in washing us With the washing and renewal and in his spiritual circunmcusuion done by the hand of God not man.

Which is blasphemy of the spirit and trying to earn your salvation by works

 

[Gardenias]

Thank the Lord he will be the judge of our hearts and motives!

 

[justbyfaith]

IF you don‘t can’t help you

All he talks about is his works of righteousness He does to get saved

Act 5:32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Suffice it to say that I believe that we obey Him because we have the Holy Spirit and not the other way around (except, perhaps, in the instance of Acts 2:38-39).