How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

cv5 · Oct 9, 2021

I only get bored slogging through your clueless third rate attempts at biblical exegesis.

Contrarily I find TDW's posts positively dazzling, thrilling, scintillating, effervescent, lively, thought-provoking, chock full of exquisite superlative Biblical exegesis, being a joy to read and ALWAYS educational.

Pretty much everything that yours are not.......

Moral of the story: sometimes you do well by just sitting back and just listening.......on those rare occasions when you finally meet somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.

ewq1938 · Oct 9, 2021

cv5 said:

Yet I proved it using scripture, while you did not. You cannot argue against texts provideed because they are clearly showing a post-trib rapture. Post-trib won debate before debate ever started. The scriptures posted are clear. Everyone is free to agree or not but there is only one right answer and that is post-trib.

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Unless you change the answer(s) - just like they are doing.

1. EXAMPLE: the "falling away" is the rapture = FALSE

God's Answer: Apostle John bears witness it is indeed a falling away/departure from truth = 1 John 2:18

2. EXAMPLE: the church is not mentioned in Matt 24 = FALSE

God's Answer: The Disciples are the Bride, Christ is the Bridegroom John 1:29-34

3. EXAMPLE: they falsely say: "After the rapture more Saints appear in Revelation" = FALSE

God's Answers: 2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;

Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.

God's TRUTH: No rapture until the Resurrection - 1 Thessalonins 4:13-18 and Revelation chapters 6, 7, 14 and 20

peldom10 · Oct 9, 2021

ewq1938 said:

No it doesn't. It says Post-trib. This is why Pretribs NEVER actually post the two passages where rapture is discussed. They always post things unrelated to the rapture as their "support".

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

The resurrection only happens at the second coming and the second coming can only happen after the trib has ended, and since the verses tell us the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these verses decisively prove the rapture is post-trib not pre-trib.

It's that simple.

Christ also spoke of the rapture but used the wording of saints being gathered together, and no surprise, placed it after the end of the Great Tribulation.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation (great tribulation has ended) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (second coming reference) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (*another way to speak of the Rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

*(also see 2nd Thessalonians 2:1 for the same language regarding the Rapture)

Timing of the gathering/rapturing is exactly the same in these two passages. In both we have saved Christians being moved from one place to another and in both that happens after the tribulation has ended and when the second coming has commenced.

If you want to oppose God's word then show scripture which supports your belief so we are not miss led.
Those posts do not accomplish that requirement.

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

No cunning reframing can change the fact that 5 christian virgins got left behind.

But surely you will try and make virgins into something else

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said,
‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

The 5 foolish were rejected by the LORD at HIS COMING.

Not one of His Saints will be left behind = HE did not know them.

Research what the Scripture says, when "a Man knows a Woman' = what that term actually means in TRUTH.

Yes
Left behind saints as you just pointed out.

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

The pre-tribs will reference this Revelation 7
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This Scripture clearly exposes the lie of pre-trib, however, for the LORD leaves not one of His Saints behind.

So now they need another lie to cover their many errors - which is another twisting of scripture = Matthew 25: 1-13

The error of pre-trib cannot stop producing more and more error - more and more twisting of God's words.

They have gone to such extreme error as to now say there are Two Different Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile.

lol
You have not unpacked any of that.

Nor did you represent pretrib rapture doctrine

Again you have no standing whatsoever

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

Absolutely said:

They were left behind and condemned - the Lord said: "I do not know you"

The ONLY ones who make it in to the KINGDOM are His Own

Do you want to hear the LORD say to you - "I do not know you" and HE turns and leaves you behind......

What comes next is Judgment = the FLOOD = Noah was taken and everyone else was Left Behind

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

Yet you cannot post one scripture of pre-trib - not one.

Twist and turn
watch you don't burn
His warning is clear
harm where there is no Fear
His words are TRUE
to add to them
is the way of the fool
you say it's OK
don't be like a willy-nilly
Christ will make you look silly

willy-nilly : Without thought, order, or reason; haphazardly. You can't just choose a college willy-nilly—you have to do some research.

Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

You never answered this question: How did the Apostle Paul say this:

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Pure baloney

We have verses.

Mat 25
1 Thes 4
Mat 24
Acts 1
Last supper dialogue
Rev 19
The 2 escape verses

All the pretrib rapture verses are peacetime and normal life.

Sorry you reject Gods word.

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

Both Noah and lot had FAMILY LEFT BEHIND.

The innumerable number are all martyrs from the ac.
They are in fact the foolish virgins.

You do not know what we believe.

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

Let me guess

You have no idea that in the church there are carnal nominal believers not walking in holiness.

Conversely there are those following the groom and waiting and ready as Jesus instructed.

You apparently are not aware of that

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

Absolutely said:

All who died in the FLOOD died under God's Wrath.

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

Absolutely said:

You are not a Christian if the LORD says "I do not know you"

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

Laura798 said:

Then Jesus mispoke at the last supper

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

Absolutely said:

I never give/leave a RED X on these posts unless it is so far beyond the Truth of God's Word - PLEASE review your words and realize the TRUTH - Anyone who was not in the ARK was condemned.

When the LORD says "I do not know you" HE means what HE says - "that person does not belong to HIM or HIS Kingdom

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

Then they got martyred.

They washed their robes.

When an adulterous wife is caught, all the husband can think of is " i thought i knew her"
IOW....i do not know you.

You need the entire parable reframed to try and make virgins into something else.

.....which you apparently are WILLING to do

DavidTree · Oct 9, 2021

Absolutely said:

i car about you Brother, do not believe a lie - believe what God did say NOT what He did not say

rayzor · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

DavidTree would that be a lie David tree?God knows everyone.Yes but the scriptures also say that we drown with him in baptism.In that since we where outside the ark.

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

You have no clue about how God deals with adultery do you?

Go ahead and prove virgins that have light, oil( the holy spirit), are living with christians, and obediently watching, and waiting for Jesus.....are not christians.

Show me this non existant notion

Absolutely · Oct 9, 2021

DavidTree said:

I specifically lay it out.

Bullseye

Right down the middle.

That is why you deflect

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