Daniel 9:26-27, 70 Weeks

[Nehemiah6]

The problem is that JESUS Utilized half of the last Week already.

That is not a problem since it is TOTAL NONSENSE. Don't confuse Christ with the Antichrist since that is the Antichrist's agenda. We need to rightly divide (interpret) the Word of Truth.

So let's look at verse 26 carefully:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:...
From 453 BC to 30 AD was exactly 483 years. Christ died (was "cut off") on the 14th of Nisan, 30 AD. So that is one part of this verse and it signals the end of the first 69 weeks (483 years). It is generally stated that the decree of Cyrus was in 536 BC (according to the chronology of Ptolemy). But Chronologer Martin Anstey proved that Ptolemy was in error by 83 years. So 536- 83 = 453 +30 = 483 years/7 = 69 weeks of years.

...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. This is the second part of that verse and here is what it says:
1. "The prince that shall come" is the Antichrist
2. His people shall destroy Jerusalem and the temple
3. The result of this sacrilege will be be a flood of desolations or divine judgments.

 

[GaryA]

That is not a problem since it is TOTAL NONSENSE. Don't confuse Christ with the Antichrist since that is the Antichrist's agenda. We need to rightly divide (interpret) the Word of Truth.

So let's look at verse 26 carefully:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:...
From 453 BC to 30 AD was exactly 483 years. Christ died (was "cut off") on the 14th of Nisan, 30 AD. So that is one part of this verse and it signals the end of the first 69 weeks (483 years). It is generally stated that the decree of Cyrus was in 536 BC (according to the chronology of Ptolemy). But Chronologer Martin Anstey proved that Ptolemy was in error by 83 years. So 536- 83 = 453 +30 = 483 years/7 = 69 weeks of years.

...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. This is the second part of that verse and here is what it says:
1. "The prince that shall come" is the Antichrist
2. His people shall destroy Jerusalem and the temple
3. The result of this sacrilege will be be a flood of desolations or divine judgments.

The decree went forth to rebuild the city in 457 B.C.

The 69 weeks of years (verse 25) begin.

The rebuilding of the city ended in 405 B.C.

The 62 weeks of years (verse 26) begin.

(Remember that there is no year 0.)

On the day Christ was baptized (the beginning of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 69 weeks of years (verse 25) end.

This is the beginning of the 70th week.

On the day Christ was crucified (the end of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 62 weeks of years (verse 26) end.

This is the middle of the 70th week.

(30 A.D.)

The 70th week ends in 34 A.D.

Prophecy fulfilled.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The decree went forth to rebuild the city in 457 B.C.

The 69 weeks of years (verse 25) begin.

The rebuilding of the city ended in 405 B.C.

The 62 weeks of years (verse 26) begin.

(Remember that there is no year 0.)

On the day Christ was baptized (the beginning of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 69 weeks of years (verse 25) end.

This is the beginning of the 70th week.

On the day Christ was crucified (the end of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 62 weeks of years (verse 26) end.

This is the middle of the 70th week.

(30 A.D.)

The 70th week ends in 34 A.D.

Prophecy fulfilled.

What makes you think the last week ended?

 

[GaryA]

What makes you think the last week ended?

The context and wording of the passage.

 

[GaryA]

The decree went forth to rebuild the city in 457 B.C.

The 69 weeks of years (verse 25) begin.

The rebuilding of the city ended in 405 B.C.

The 62 weeks of years (verse 26) begin.

(Remember that there is no year 0.)

On the day Christ was baptized (the beginning of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 69 weeks of years (verse 25) end.

This is the beginning of the 70th week.

On the day Christ was crucified (the end of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 62 weeks of years (verse 26) end.

This is the middle of the 70th week.

(30 A.D.)

The 70th week ends in 34 A.D.

Prophecy fulfilled.

The 69 years (verse 25) and the 62 years (verse 26) do not start at the same point in time.

"If the 62 weeks of verse 26 were counted starting from the end of the 7th week, it would place 'shall Messiah be cut off' in verse 26 at the same point in time as 'unto the Messiah the Prince' in verse 25. This would have Him to be "cut off" at the same time that He 'arrives'. This makes no sense in the "bigger picture" of the First Coming of Christ - especially with regard to the time span of His ministry. The phrase 'unto the Messiah the Prince' points to the start of His ministry, and the phrase 'shall Messiah be cut off' points to the end of it."

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

 

[GaryA]

That is not a problem since it is TOTAL NONSENSE.

Brother - the only thing that is "TOTAL NONSENSE" is trying to force/push this prophecy into our future when it was 100% completely entirely totally fulfilled by the end of the events of circa 70 A.D.

The 490 unbroken years ended in 34 A.D.

Don't confuse Christ with the Antichrist ...

Indeed!

The word 'he' (all 3) in verse 27 is referring to Christ - not any/some/the 'antichrist' at/in a future time...

We need to rightly divide (interpret) the Word of Truth.

Correct!

So - go back and take another look - in the context of the whole chapter.

This prophecy is about the 'Times of the Jews' - no part of it involves the End Times Scenario.

 

[GaryA]

So - go back and take another look - in the context of the whole chapter.

This prophecy is about the 'Times of the Jews' - no part of it involves the End Times Scenario.

"The phrase 'Times of the Jews' (based on the phrase 'Times of the Gentiles' in Luke 21:24) refers to the 'era' during which God is "dealing with the Jews" - before turning His attention to "dealing with the Gentiles" during the 'Times of the Gentiles'. This passage of scripture (Daniel 9:24-27) describes the last 490 years of "the time the Jews have left" before God turns His attention to the Gentiles. In essence, God is informing them that "their time" is coming to an end - and, telling them what is to transpire before it ends."

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

 

[TheLearner]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Why are we so convinced we know what "A Time, Times, and Half a Time" means?

Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14​

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 7:25,Daniel 12:7,Revelation 12:14&version=KJV

It could be trial time, harder trial time, halved trial time by GOD'S Mercy.


there is a sea of lukewarm waiting for some dumb mark to be offered to them to convince them to get Right with GOD ...but the mark is probably already here.


Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan.

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan.

The SDA viewpoint makes the most sense to me. There is no gap between the 69th and 70th week.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The 69 years (verse 25) and the 62 years (verse 26) do not start at the same point in time.

"If the 62 weeks of verse 26 were counted starting from the end of the 7th week, it would place 'shall Messiah be cut off' in verse 26 at the same point in time as 'unto the Messiah the Prince' in verse 25. This would have Him to be "cut off" at the same time that He 'arrives'. This makes no sense in the "bigger picture" of the First Coming of Christ - especially with regard to the time span of His ministry. The phrase 'unto the Messiah the Prince' points to the start of His ministry, and the phrase 'shall Messiah be cut off' points to the end of it."

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

You are avoiding His Baptism being the start of the final Week.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Brother - the only thing that is "TOTAL NONSENSE" is trying to force/push this prophecy into our future when it was 100% completely entirely totally fulfilled by the end of the events of circa 70 A.D.

Preterism is total nonsense and absurd.

 

[GaryA]

You are avoiding His Baptism being the start of the final Week.

Did you not read post #42 well enough?

On the day Christ was baptized (the beginning of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 69 weeks of years (verse 25) end.

This is the beginning of the 70th week.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Did you not read post #42 well enough?

You are pretending the cut off isn't after 3.5 of the final Week.

 

[GaryA]

Preterism is total nonsense and absurd.

Do you consider historicism to be preterism?

In any case...

A proper search for truth requires ignoring 'labels' and "sticking to the facts" until the truth is found. Then a label may be safely applied for identification and understanding.

If you give something a label too early - and then say something like "It is preterism, so I refuse to believe it!" - you may rob yourself of knowing the truth.

If you "forget" the 'labels' while studying scripture - and only focus on "What is scripture [really, actually] saying?" - then, you will be much more likely to discover the truth - that is in "plain view" - except, you have ignored it completely by putting a label on it and discarding it instead of giving it your full attention long enough to study it deeply enough to discover the truth.

 

[GaryA]

You are pretending the cut off isn't after 3.5 of the final Week.

Can you not read?

On the day Christ was crucified (the end of His 3.5-year ministry) - the 62 weeks of years (verse 26) end.

This is the middle of the 70th week.

Or, do you just want to argue?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Can you not read?


Or, do you just want to argue?

So the end of one week isn't the beginning of another?

You have nothing to support what happens after the 3.5 of the first half of the last Week.

 

[GaryA]

So the end of one week isn't the beginning of another?

You have nothing to support what happens after the 3.5 of the first half of the last Week.

It is clearly there - you just refuse to see it. Keep reading post #42 or the following web page until you see it:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

The 3.5 years you are referring to is the ministry of Christ - from baptism to death on the cross.

Or, are you asking what happens during the last half of the 70th week?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

It is clearly there - you just refuse to see it. Keep reading post #42 or the following web page until you see it:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

The 3.5 years you are referring to is the ministry of Christ - from baptism to death on the cross.

Or, are you asking what happens during the last half of the 70th week?

You are refusing to acknowledge that you are playing a word game. The end of one prophetic week is the same thing as the beginning of the next. Yes, 3.5 is the Ministry of CHRIST ...that leaves 3.5 for something else to happen ...like Tribulation.

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

Daniel 9:24

24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

TO COMPLETE THE TRANSGRESSION, TO ELIMINATE SIN.... TO BRING EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY...

This is still in the future. THE END SHALL COME, which is what these 70 weeks are all about.

 

[GaryA]

You are refusing to acknowledge that you are playing a word game. The end of one prophetic week is the same thing as the beginning of the next. Yes, 3.5 is the Ministry of CHRIST ...that leaves 3.5 for something else to happen ...like Tribulation.

I am not playing any games - you are...

If you read that web page I posted, you already have the answers to questions you have been asking me - I am beginning to think you are just trolling me.

For example - I very clearly and directly state in that web page that the end of one week is the start of the next week - and that 69 & 70 are no different than any other two consecutive weeks.

Go read that web page...

You need to understand that 'tribulation' is not part of the picture where the prophecy is concerned - with regard to the timing of the 70 weeks.

Yes - soon enough, they suffered tribulation; however, the prophecy does not include it in the 70 weeks - it only foretells it as happening "sometime later" - and it did - after the 70 weeks had ended.

 

[GaryA]

Daniel 9:24

24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

TO COMPLETE THE TRANSGRESSION, TO ELIMINATE SIN.... TO BRING EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY...

This is still in the future. THE END SHALL COME, which is what these 70 weeks are all about.

No - it is not about the End Times Scenario - it is about the end of the 'Times of the Jews'.

Please read this web page:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html