Do you believe the gospel given to the apostle Paul by Christ ?
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That us EXACTLY why you fell for that doctrine i and others have totally blown you outta the water.
Many verses you teachers did not consider.
Otherwise you would answer us.
Instead you hide.
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the cross is an instrument of condemnation the plan is actually the empty tomb he left behind and the life he lived beforehand in the flesh , the thkngs he was sent to speak to the world those are the key to everlasting life his death and suffering is part of the plan eternal Life in his kingdom is the plan
he himself the living Christ is our lord and shepherd through this world his words a light into our path and his promises our hope to try to eliminate the gospel he preached and sent into e world for salvstion is not a good plan believing him is the way
Paul is a witness of the gospel no different from Peter , John or James. But Jesus is the lord and savior his word is the word of God and cannot be removed .
Paul isn’t understandable when you remove the thkngs jesus said he would make no sense which is why so many fall into this warning
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:15-17
it happens when people attempt to exalt Paul where he doesn’t belong rather than accepting the gospel and hearing his witness along with all the nt writers
Paul was just preaching the things the law and prophets had said about Jesus
“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:4-6 KJV
only now he could understand because Jesus had come and opened his understanding so Paul could understand the scriptures he did this for Paul like the others
“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.”
Luke 24:25-27 KJV
So Paul preached that
“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
Acts 28:23
he specifically says under oath
“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:22-23 KJV
It’s the same message that is foretold in the prophets and law and the same story told by all the nt writers. God sent the messiah his son to teach the truth of his word and then die and be raised up and seated at God right hand to ever intercede for believers in him.
what Paul received was the same as the others this same message and commission
“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:44-48 KJV
That’s what Paul was witnessing Jesus death and resurrection as well as repentance and remission of sins in Christs name Paul is another one of the twelve chosen witnesses no dofferent less or more the only one exalted is Jesus Christ and his words who suffered and died to make a way for us to live in him
Can you give an example? Thanks.
Could you understand the impact of the cross without Paul’s writings?
Dies the fact that the Jews were cut off mean that individual Jews were cut off and no longer have salvation?
sure you could understand it , but not as well no Paul is an equally important apostle I’m not saying take him away , I’m saying he’s part of it no more no less another servant and witness of Jesus
he has a very important witness of Christ all the apostles do. It’s much more that saying Jesus died and rose. That’s only part of the message the beginning point.
and sure here’s a really good example of why one should foret hear and believe the gospel and then can understand what Paul is talking about
In the gospel Jesus says many things about his words and teachings for instance
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Paul is preaching in the Romans letter to the church who had heard and believed the gospel so now let’s examine a few places
Jesus has said the flesh holds no profit but his words give spirit and life he’s also said there’s no condemnation in his word for hearers and believers how does knowing that foret effect Paul’s writing
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
…For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
…Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
Romans 8:1-2, 5-6, 12-14
and let’s also add this one regarding being set free from the law of sin and death
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
John 8:31-32, 34,
and then this one from Paul
“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Romans 6:17-18 KJV
Paul’s epistles aren’t meant to be taken alone and rejecting the gospel one is an epistle from a witness , the other is the account of the gospel. Paul’s letters always correspond directly with what Jesus had taught of the kingdom , and the law and prophets had foretold it all would come beforehand
to be clear paul Is important a chosen witness and apostel No doubt, a revelator and prophet like Peter , John and the others but no One or no message replaces the true gospel those epistles are written to people who heard and discussed every day the gospel of the kingdom so those epistles really
Made sense to them to help them in tbier walk of faith in the church
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Why is it so difficult for you to answer. Question?
I asked you that question can you answer please
I thought it was rhetorical. The obvious, biblical answer is that there is a faithful remnant.
Now you answer my question.
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eternally-gratefull
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The obvious answer is they were saved.
Because personal salvation is not the context of the passage.
You answered your own question
You need to be saved by believing Paul's gospel. 1 Corinthians 15: 3,4.
@Hann57,
Do you believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ?
If not, who do you believe is the Christ?
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eternally-gratefull
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You need to be saved by believing Gods gospel. The same one that saved Abraham, David, Daniel mathew Mark Luke and John. And yes Paul
Looks like your eyes are wide open and see the folly of pauline only.