Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

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LactoseIntolerant said:
Absolute Sovereignty was given to him - God gave it. Jesus, after dying, ascended to His God. Jesus' place is at the Right Hand Side of the Throne not on the throne - that is the Throne of God. There is only One Immortal Soul, God - that means all else are contingent. As I have argued before, show me what is definitively written about the Deity of Christ that is not touched by opinion.
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No one is saying that the Son isn't distinct from the Father. The Father, a Spirit without flesh, sits on the throne of God.

Now, He was incarnated as the same Spirit in flesh, a distinct Person because of the hypostatic union.

This distinct Person sits on the throne at the Father's right hand.

And, He is the same Person come in flesh; and thus, He is a distinct Person from Him who dwelleth in eternity (Isaiah 57:15).

LactoseIntolerant said:
How can Jesus be both the Father and the Son?
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In that they are the same Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4, Ephesians 4:4).

God the Father is a Spirit without flesh and the Son is the same Spirit incarnated in flesh.
 
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justbyfaith said:
No one is saying that the Son isn't distinct from the Father. The Father, a Spirit without flesh, sits on the throne of God.

Now, He was incarnated as the same Spirit in flesh, a distinct Person because of the hypostatic union.

This distinct Person sits on the throne at the Father's right hand.

And, He is the same Person come in flesh; and thus, He is a distinct Person from Him who dwelleth in eternity (Isaiah 57:15).

In that they are the same Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4, Ephesians 4:4).

God the Father is a Spirit without flesh and the Son is the same Spirit incarnated in flesh.
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Didn't you say, Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is the Everlasting Father. Sounds like modalism.
 
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LactoseIntolerant said:
Didn't you say, Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is the Everlasting Father. Sounds like modalism.
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I am not preaching modalism. But to understand that, you need to know the nuances of my doctrine.

For I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct Persons within the Godhead (not separate, however), as the creeds portray.
 
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justbyfaith said:
The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4) and He is a Person with personality. For, He makes intercession for us and has a mind (Romans 8:26-27).
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Sorry, but neither one of those passages contradict what I said.
 
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justbyfaith said:
I am not preaching modalism. But to understand that, you need to know the nuances of my doctrine.

For I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct Persons within the Godhead (not separate, however), as the creeds portray.
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Distinct but but not separate? lol

dis·tinct | \ di-ˈstiŋ(k)t \
Definition of distinct

1: distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see DISCRETE sense 1) or not the same : SEPARATE
 
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MalikB said:
Distinct but but not separate? lol

dis·tinct | \ di-ˈstiŋ(k)t \
Definition of distinct

1: distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see DISCRETE sense 1) or not the same : SEPARATE
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No; distinct has a slightly different meaning than separate as applies to the Trinity;

Wherever you got that definition appears to be a faulty source for definitions. Separate may apply to distinct in some cases but not in all.
 
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justbyfaith said:
No; distinct has a slightly different meaning than separate as applies to the Trinity;

Wherever you got that definition appears to be a faulty source for definitions. Separate may apply to distinct in some cases but not in all.
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Since Webster is faulty, which dictionary is not?
 
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MalikB said:
If they don't contradict my position. there is no point in posting them as a response to the position.
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What exactly is your position? if it is that the Holy Spirit is not a Person, then the verses in question do indeed contradict your position. And, if it is that the Holy Spirit is not God, then they do indeed contradict your position.
 
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justbyfaith said:
The dictionary that is inherent in the unction we have from Christ (1 John 2:20).
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??? You are using English words (distinct and separate) that were not in scripture... So I used an English dictionary.
 
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justbyfaith said:
What exactly is your position? if it is that the Holy Spirit is not a Person, then the verses in question do indeed contradict your position. And, if it is that the Holy Spirit is not God, then they do indeed contradict your position.
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My position is in #433. You can read it again if you are not clear. The Father IS the person behind the Holy spirit.... it is HIS spirit. HE is the person. How does the scriptures you posted contradict that?
 
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MalikB said:
??? You are using English words (distinct and separate) that were not in scripture... So I used an English dictionary.
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Instead of taking my word for it that separate and distinct are two different words; which may be slightly synonymous but which carry different connotations and therefore have separate meanings...but you might want to argue with me and say that the meanings are distinct from each other...;).
 
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MalikB said:
My position is in #433. You can read it again if you are not clear. The Father IS the person behind the Holy spirit.... it is HIS spirit. HE is the person. How does the scriptures you posted contradict that?
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The Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) and there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). The Holy Ghost is also the Spirit (John 7:39).

This indicates to me that the Father and the Holy Ghost are the same Spirit...

And therefore if the Father is a Person, the Holy Ghost is also a Person.
 
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