Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[Absolutely]

even Jesus does not share that throne

I mean what is up with this perfection nonsense? talk about deception

folks just cooly and calmly insisting you can be perfect...just strive...just work you little butt off....just believe and you will get there

sounds like the penitent Catholic priest flogging himself in medieval times

end of mini rant

It is a target.

We never get there. We just get our heart broken when we sin.
If i am a disciple sold out to him it breaks my heart and i seek that intimacy back with him.

Still....it breaks my heart


As it should

 

[Absolutely]

That is not an answer to the question. If you have not obeyed the gospel given to Paul by Christ, you are still lost.

Same gospel Jesus preached.

Stop playing games

 

[SophieT]

It is a target.

We never get there. We just get our heart broken when we sin.
If i am a disciple sold out to him it breaks my heart and i seek that intimacy back with him.

Still....it breaks my heart


As it should

you know when you said what you did about John laying his head on Jesus breast...that really touched me...just immediately brought to memory the times it felt just like that with Jesus and you then just want to get back to that

no striving...a surrender instead. it is calming and reassuring to know we cannot ever be that perfect person...no striving

it is finished!!!

come to Me and I will give you rest.....thank you Jesus

 

[tourist]

onward Christian soldiers!

march...1 2, 1 2, 1 2

sigh

Brings back memories of my military days.

 

[Absolutely]

are you an advocate for sinless perfection? if so, where does the Bible teach this?

to be clear, I do not believe the Bible teaches this, let alone that a person born on this earth can reach sinlessness

where do we read that those men were sinless? I think you are extrapolating here. you just said ALL Christians are a work in progress...is it all then, or most?

The thing is....there are also sins of omission.

In the ot there was a sin of ignorance, and instructions of how to approach the priest for committing that sin of ignorance.

Whew

 

[SophieT]

Brings back memories of my military days.

haha

keep in step, eh?

 

[SophieT]

The thing is....there are also sins of omission.

In the ot there was a sin of ignorance, and instructions of how to approach the priest for committing that sin of ignorance.

Whew

well they omit that when they are striving

I mean com'on...yah can't keep track of everything

 

[rayzor]

you know when you said what you did about John laying his head on Jesus breast...that really touched me...just immediately brought to memory the times it felt just like that with Jesus and you then just want to get back to that

no striving...a surrender instead. it is calming and reassuring to know we cannot ever be that perfect person...no striving

it is finished!!!

come to Me and I will give you rest.....thank you Jesus

we should not teach that one cannot be perfect. I've been told,,,,Jesus has told many to be perfect.

 

[Absolutely]

you know when you said what you did about John laying his head on Jesus breast...that really touched me...just immediately brought to memory the times it felt just like that with Jesus and you then just want to get back to that

no striving...a surrender instead. it is calming and reassuring to know we cannot ever be that perfect person...no striving

it is finished!!!

come to Me and I will give you rest.....thank you Jesus

A target is just a target.

The disciples fasted. Not striving for salvation but to kill the flesh.

 

[tourist]

haha

keep in step, eh?

Yeah, something like that.

 

[Absolutely]

well they omit that when they are striving

I mean com'on...yah can't keep track of everything

That is the point.

We rest in Jesus.

We are his family.

Heb 4 is liberating. It is his work.

.....while we rest in his finished work.

 

[Absolutely]

I think some people see us as walking precariously over the flames of hell on a skinny 2x4 with Jesus wiggling the board for us to fall.

We are his. He wants us to succeed. He wants good things for us. He knows we will fail occasionally. Part of the infilling of the Holy Spirit is to have power to resist temptation

 

[SophieT]

I think some people see us as walking precariously over the flames of hell on a skinny 2x4 with Jesus wiggling the board for us to fall.

that's a great illustration

but sadly some folks gonna just go right back to that board

 

[rayzor]

I think we only see sin as tempting because we are in a fly's body.Sins yuk! like

 

[Absolutely]

we should not teach that one cannot be perfect. I've been told,,,,Jesus has told many to be perfect.

We have that perfection as a target.

Do you realize when Jesus ushered in the new covenant, he established sinful thoughts as just as bad as sinful actions?

There is no sinlessness in any humanoid


Like i said on top of our thought life sins....we are also faced with sins of omission

 

[rayzor]

We have that perfection as a target.

Do you realize when Jesus ushered in the new covenant, he established sinful thoughts as just as bad as sinful actions?

There is no sinlessness in any humanoid


Like i said on top of our thought life sins....we are also faced with sins of omission

well l'll Quote Paul: it is no longer me but the sin that dwells in me.

 

[rayzor]

99 percent of people won't acknowledge this. sin is not us.It is a virus and wants it's own will to be done despite us.

 

[Runningman]

believe it or not, that is often the behavior of many Christians

and there are various reasons for it....one big one being BIG lack of proper teaching and ignoring any spiritual factors

so are these people saved? some are in agony with sin cycle and yes they are saved...not talking about those with a casual approach to Christianity

changing the mind is not really a biblical term. the actual description in scripture would be 'renewing them mind', meaning to agree with the word and acting that out. an interesting study for some might be to check out how habits are formed and the fact that a person can create better habits following that pattern

but Christians also have a big advantage with the indwelling Spirit of God and the ability to pray

I agree with everything you said actually, but to be precise I think "changing the mind" is Biblical and here's why.

The definition of repentance being a "renewing of the mind" is valid because that is what happens when someone changes their mind, that's repentance. See Matt 3:2, Acts 2:38, 2 Cor. 12:21 for examples.

In the New Testament the word for repentance is a verb "μετανοέω" which means change one's mind and purpose; e.g., I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

My point is, that changing the mind (or renewing it if you prefer) is about as far as people ever get. I am 100% in complete agreement with God and His plan for salvation and I agree with Him that what He says is a sin is, in fact, a sin. I have no doubt that you agree with God, too. We have repented, then. Will we keep on sinning again and again? Yes absolutely.

 

[SophieT]

I agree with everything you said actually, but to be precise I think "changing the mind" is Biblical and here's why.

The definition of repentance being a "renewing of the mind" is valid because that is what happens when someone changes their mind, that's repentance. See Matt 3:2, Acts 2:38, 2 Cor. 12:21 for examples.

In the New Testament the word for repentance is a verb "μετανοέω" which means change one's mind and purpose; e.g., I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

My point is, that changing the mind (or renewing it if you prefer) is about as far as people ever get. I am 100% in complete agreement with God and His plan for salvation and I agree with Him that what He says is a sin is, in fact, a sin. I have no doubt that you agree with God, too. We have repented, then. Will we keep on sinning again and again? Yes absolutely.

ok

you thought my post was perfect

only you did not think it was perfect

ok then (jking)

I was referring to this verse:

2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Romans 12:2

we originally 'change our mind'.. we then should renew our mind

possibly saming the same thing a little differently? splitting hairs? dunno

My point is, that changing the mind (or renewing it if you prefer) is about as far as people ever get.

are you saying that changing the mind does not lead to changed behavior? please clarify

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Have you believed the gospel given to Paul by Christ ? 1 Corinthians 15:3,4.

Of course!